• Got IP banned on a forum? Well it's now illegal to evade that ban.
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[QUOTE=TestECull;41893988]So much ignorance it's astonishing. IPBans are very rarely used, only when no other option works...and always on users that are beyond correcting. How, then, do you propose dealing with users that require IPBans?[/QUOTE] verification systems, administration and moderation there is a reason ipbans are rarely used. if you deem it ok that a company as large as craigslist thinking an ipban which is so very easily worked around should have legal consequences, you need to sort it out.
There's really no way they can enforce this.
The CFAA is a batshit insane law that criminalizes violating a TOS and was written by lobbyists for their technologically illiterate pets in Congress. The whole thing needs to be repealed.
this is sort of interesting there's a site I moderate that has problems with people that constantly evade bans just to fuck with people
RIP bored teenagers who said stupid stuff on a forum that one time
On one hand this shows a lack of understanding of how the internet works, on the other hand I can't legally justify accessing a server you don't have permission to access. If you get banned from Walmart but then you go back with a disguise, you're trespassing
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41894379]On one hand this shows a lack of understanding of how the internet works, on the other hand I can't legally justify accessing a server you don't have permission to access. If you get banned from Walmart but then you go back with a disguise, you're trespassing[/QUOTE] Yes, but more than one person can use an IP address. It's like banning an entire family from a store if one person in it shoplifted.
How about we just build a big jail around the world so no one has to go through catching these people? Oh wait
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41894379]On one hand this shows a lack of understanding of how the internet works, on the other hand I can't legally justify accessing a server you don't have permission to access. If you get banned from Walmart but then you go back with a disguise, you're trespassing[/QUOTE] oh, accessing a server without permission should have legal ties. it's just that an IP ban is a very ineffective way of doing it. it's lazy. [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] especially considering since once someone has their IP changed they'll think they're unbanned.
Can't work outside US's satellite states
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41894413]Yes, but more than one person can use an IP address. It's like banning an entire family from a store if one person in it shoplifted.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's why it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the internet, especially given the slow rate of IPV6 adoption. More and more people are going to be sharing IP addresses as time goes on.
4 Billion IP addresses, 7 Billion people. This cannot work.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;41895455]4 Billion IP addresses, 7 Billion people. This cannot work.[/QUOTE] I thought we were on IPv6 now?
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i'm going to get banned from a website at starbucks and then log back in using a proxy, then i'll shut my laptop and walk away as the police arrive and arrest every single employee there
[QUOTE=Noah Gibbs;41895583]Our IP addresses still look like this: 192.168.1.1 Not this: 2001:0db8:85a3:0042:1000:8a2e:0370:7334 So for the time being almost everyone is still on ipv4. At the very least I know comcast internet is still using ipv4.[/QUOTE] Well I have a v4 and v6 and I'm on AT&T
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41895553]I thought we were on IPv6 now?[/QUOTE] Most ISPs still use IPv4, so until at-least half of the internet population use it; it won't stand up. You should only be able to use IPv6 addresses in court, but nobody scrubs those yet to find random pirates. Also, AWS is only IPv4; and they host a shitton of the internet's content.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;41896034]Most ISPs still use IPv4, so until at-least half of the internet population use it; it won't stand up. You should only be able to use IPv6 addresses in court, but nobody scrubs those yet to find random pirates.[/QUOTE] An IPv6 address doesn't identify a person either, not even necessarily a specific PC
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41896052]An IPv6 address doesn't identify a person either, not even necessarily a specific PC[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't think IP should be used as a personal identifier ever. But in the case it is: I'd rather have it be IPv6 since at-least the pool is bigger than the amount of people that use it.
Why do I get a feeling that this has something somehow to do with the sudden increase in attempts to stop "Cyber Bullying"? First thing that came to mind was some kid getting banned from a forum for bullying another kid, then bypassing the ban to continue.
I use VPNs on and off all the time, sometimes for work reasons, as said, there is no way they can enforce this anyway. Still half glad I don't live in the US though.
Looks like someone does not know how the internet works.
How would this even work? What if someone has a VPS or even a home computer with 15 IP addresses; they haven't really "changed" their IP address, they are just using another because they want to. What if they have both a mobile and a desktop computer which use different internet connections. Keeping in mind most HSDPA services I have used, your IP address changes often when moving around. What happens when you use some ISPs shitty transparent proxy which makes you banned from 90% of the internet by default? If you change your IP then to evade someone else's ban, are you committing a crime?
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;41897827]How would this even work? What if someone has a VPS or even a home computer with 15 IP addresses; they haven't really "changed" their IP address, they are just using another because they want to. What if they have both a mobile and a desktop computer which use different internet connections. Keeping in mind most HSDPA services I have used, your IP address changes often when moving around. What happens when you use some ISPs shitty transparent proxy which makes you banned from 90% of the internet by default? If you change your IP then to evade someone else's ban, are you committing a crime?[/QUOTE] apparently the judges who are experts on the internet determined that no, nobody does proxies or that multiple people can use the same IP adress or the fact that an IP address is just a string of changable numbers based on many many many factors. to a lawyer, IP address = home address to everyone else, IP address = just a technicality
[QUOTE=SteakStyles;41896792]Why do I get a feeling that this has something somehow to do with the sudden increase in attempts to stop "Cyber Bullying"? First thing that came to mind was some kid getting banned from a forum for bullying another kid, then bypassing the ban to continue.[/QUOTE] "Cyber bullying" is just the latest scapegoat for shoving through more ham-handed internet regulation laws. Beware of anyone who often plays the '"Think Of The Childen!" card. They have an agenda that is definitely not in you or the children's best interests.
U.S.A < Europe = Me Get Bent USA Law
Luckily i live in Canada. Unless that fucking law apply also here, i will dump a shit on the front of the Government's houses. I use a proxy all day, but not for ban. But if someday i get IP banned whatever where it is, well shitfuck.
Oh damn. I've been breaking the law super-hard while watching South Park and stuff on Hulu.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41894379]On one hand this shows a lack of understanding of how the internet works, on the other hand I can't legally justify accessing a server you don't have permission to access. [/QUOTE] Well its always the old people who are unfamiliar with the internet making these rules.
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