[QUOTE=Explosions;27671905]I think one of the reasons why people dislike pirates is because they are abusing people's hard work for free, regardless of any money.[/QUOTE]
People dislike pirates?
[QUOTE=clanratc;27667768]I think the reason why publishers say that a pirated copy = a lost sale is because a pirated copy is still a show of interest for the game, which in a piracy free world would result in a sale or a download of the demo.[/QUOTE]
This was a serious blast from the past. But seriously. Game demos in 2010? Hahaha.
[QUOTE=dass;27666245]They can make that kind of math.
The math they can't seem to be able to do, is that games are generally overpriced, and no one wants to buy overpriced crap that was shat out a year after announcement, meaning a badly done game (bugged, seemingly unfinished, that doesn't seems to give a good enough reason to be bought)[/QUOTE]
I can't agree more. Most games, when released, are $50-$60. That's not money I have to spend when every one is potentially a train-wreck waiting to happen. I learned that when I bought Saints Row 2 for the PC. Games, as they are, are too expensive for people to run out and buy every individual one.
Sure, there are pirates, but there are a small fraction of those who will pirate a game, and if it was actually worth their while, will go out and buy it. I actively keep a list of every game I've ever illegally obtained, and every one that I enjoyed or played all the way through, I intend to pay back. I'm currently unemployed and broke at the moment, so it's not like I can just summon forth money.
[QUOTE=ThePutty;27671727]"the game costs too much therefore I won't buy it"
if it was 20 dollars you guys would still pirate it and find some other reason to justify it. i don't agree with prices being like 90 dollars but seriously even if games were cheap you'd all find some other reason to say "well it doesn't have this or that"
piracy really isn't a good thing, even for the big developers like EA and Activision. pirating their games simply means they'll blame PC on being useless, develop more stuff for the consoles and ultimately cause smaller developers to follow thus making the PC miss out on more shit and suffer. just swallow your pride, look at reviews, look up videos on youtube, ask a friend online or in person about it and if you think it satisfies you enough, buy the game[/QUOTE]
I remember when games were £20-30. Now they're £35-45. Ridiculous. You don't even get to try before you buy and you can't return them.
I love how it claims that is "gives money to illegal traders." Going to the pirate bay doens't give anyone money.
"It's too expensive I should get it for free."
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If the game is a "bugged piece of crap", why would anyone want it anyway?
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27671936]People dislike pirates?[/QUOTE]
He means the publishers, developers, etc. Don't play dumb.
I don't know what all these games giants are complaining about, they get more than enough money to live lavishly when fat nerds can't afford the games they sell so have to pirate
[QUOTE=^-^;27671982]I love how it claims that is "gives money to illegal traders." Going to the pirate bay doens't give anyone money.[/QUOTE]
Ads. You view ad, tbp gets money.
I don't currently own a single pirated game. It's quite surprising to me that this magnitude of people have pirated games.
[QUOTE=Alcapwne;27672024]I don't know what all these games giants are complaining about, they get more than enough money to live lavishly when fat nerds can't afford the games they sell so have to pirate[/QUOTE]
Where is everyone getting this idea that pirates wouldn't buy the game? Anyone who actually has enough money to purchase a system that can play the game would most likely be able to afford it sometime in the future.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27672087]I don't currently own a single pirated game. It's quite surprising to me that this magnitude of people have pirated games.[/QUOTE]
Most people spend money on stuff that can't be pirated, hardware and stuff
[QUOTE=Explosions;27671983]"It's too expensive I should get it for free."
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If the game is a "bugged piece of crap", why would anyone want it anyway?[/QUOTE]
I agree. I mean, just because "it's too expensive" doesn't mean you can just take it. You can't go to a car auction and steal some car worth $50,000, then use "Oh sorry cops it was just rly expensive kthxbai".
And if it's buggy, that still gives you no right to steal a $50 game like that. Who would want it anyway?
[QUOTE=BCell;27669085]Hey man, recession doesn't stop people from buying. If people don't spend, it will worsen the recession[/QUOTE]
Well it's not like a fat wad of cash just magically appears on my doorstep.
Or a CEO offers me a job, even though I've applied to every potential company in a radius of 100km.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27672126]I agree. I mean, just because "it's too expensive" doesn't mean you can just take it. You can't go to a car auction and steal some car worth $50,000, then use "Oh sorry cops it was just rly expensive kthxbai".
And if it's buggy, that still gives you no right to steal a $50 game like that. Who would want it anyway?[/QUOTE]
Hey, what happened to your revelation?
With prices for games starting to exceed £40, I'm not surprised by this.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27672126]I agree. I mean, just because "it's too expensive" doesn't mean you can just take it. You can't go to a car auction and steal some car worth $50,000, then use "Oh sorry cops it was just rly expensive kthxbai".
And if it's buggy, that still gives you no right to steal a $50 game like that. Who would want it anyway?[/QUOTE]
This analogy (comparing theft to software copying) is just as old as it is fallacious. Please don't use it.
If it's not stealing then it isn't sharing.
Sharing implies that something is given up for a while or split between two or more parties.
The only thing people give up is bandwidth.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;27671835]And as always, the figures are made up. "We asked the publishers" yeah, um, you don't think they [I]might[/I] have a slight bias? If the numbers are so large it should be easy to conduct a real study. Do they ever do it? No.[/QUOTE]
I think torrentfreak have pretty believable numbers.
[url]http://torrentfreak.com/call-of-duty-black-ops-most-pirated-game-of-2010-101228/[/url]
I got more important things to spend my money on. Typically I get games 2nd hand at Gamestop but I think 60$ for a new game is pretty steep.
It doesn't matter. I can bet that the vast majority of those downloads would never have resulted in sales.
Price of the game really isn't an issue, the problem is people don't want to buy bad games, but may still want to play the game if it has some feature they're interested in, but if the option for piracy wasn't there they just wouldn't bother.
For example I'd be willing to spend around 100 pounds on that special edition of The Witcher 2, because I really enjoyed The Witcher 1 (which I wouldn't have played if it weren't for piracy and not to mention bought it afterwards, same with Stalker), and know that I'm probably going to be getting a good game from CDPR when the sequel comes out.
But for CoD: Blops, I knew it was going to be shit, I was curious how shit it was going to be though, and was interested in how fucked up the levels themselves are, I would never have bought it anyway if the option of piracy wasn't there, I'd have just watched some clips on youtube (like the one that showed how bullshit the game actually was) or a Stream of the game. Of course I still wanted to see how much effort they'd put into scripting all the events in each level, but I seriously would never have bought that game. Ever.
And I imagine that except for the shortsighted "fuck the world" idiots who pirate every game regardless of whether they were going to enjoy it and could afford it, that this is what most people who are really into videogames are like.
When I think of videogames, I think of paintings, if I'm going to purchase one, I want to see it, to get to know it first before I even consider buying it, this isn't how things work in reality, but it's the ideal. Too many times now I've wasted cash buying a game that by all accounts should have been good if the media and demo was anything to go by, only to realise not long after buying and playing the game that I've wasted a good amount of money on something I wholly regret buying. I'm sick of the deceptive nature of marketing and advertisement, companies doing their best to make sure the truth about their game doesn't get out long enough for people to buy the game at which point it's too late for them to do anything about it.
Piracy for me is just making sure I don't fall prey to this, it may be illegal, but until the method by which game companies communicate the nature of their game across becomes more genuine and clear, it's how I and many others are going to operate. We don't abstain from buying games, we just don't buy the bad games.
The new games cost like 50€. Why would I pay that much a for a few hours of fun?
They haven't really grasped the idea that they might make a lot more profit if they sold the game with a more friendly price tag.
I bet that like 90% of the people who pirate wouldn't buy any of the games they've pirated anyway.
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;27673699]I bet that like 90% of the people who pirate wouldn't buy any of the games they've pirated anyway.[/QUOTE]
Not always. A lot of people are only doing it for the purpose of "try it before you buy it". Often, they do end up buying the game if they liked it.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;27673623]The new games cost like 50€. Why would I pay that much a for a few hours of fun?
They haven't really grasped the idea that they might make a lot more profit if they sold the game with a more friendly price tag.[/QUOTE]
I believe the high price is probably to try and cover the colossal amount of money put into making their three hour train ride the most scenic train ride ever, what they'd be better off doing is just putting less money into making a visually spectacular but amazingly short game, and instead making a game that is low on graphical complexity, but high on good gameplay mechanics and much longer due to the reduced workload that creating graphically fantastic levels entails.
If they reduced the amount of money required to create the game in the first place, still gave it the same level of marketing, they could stand to make a considerable profit, that probably won't reach the amount of money made by their big blockbuster game alone, but would probably end up making more in consideration to the amount of money that went into making the game and the amount of money made back from selling it.
If games are too expensive and too shitty for you to buy them then just don't buy them.
How does game price or quality have anything to do with justifying piracy?
[QUOTE=Catdaemon;27671965]I remember when games were £20-30. Now they're £35-45. Ridiculous. You don't even get to try before you buy and you can't return them.[/QUOTE]
you can't return them because of piracy
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[QUOTE=B!N4RY;27673814]Not always. A lot of people are only doing it for the purpose of "try it before you buy it". Often, they do end up buying the game if they liked it.[/QUOTE]
the 10%
While the price is not the main reason, it is one of the reasons. A lot less people would pirate if games were cheaper.
There are many reasons why different people pirate. Some do it because of price, some do because of drm, some do because they can.
What game companies should do:
1. Make games cheaper, gain more sales
2. Remove shitty drm, gain even more sales
3. Make games easier available to people, don't lock it down
Do that and there you go, much less pirates and more happy customers.
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[QUOTE=Valnar;27673846]If games are too expensive and too shitty for you to buy them then just don't buy them.
How does game price or quality have anything to do with justifying piracy?[/QUOTE]
Read Riutet post, it explained quite well
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[QUOTE=bobste;27673921]
the 10%[/QUOTE]
43% of graphs are made on the spot.
You don't know how many actually buy or not. All you do is guess.
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