Does this even attempt to account for the people who pirate as an "extended demo"? Many pirates torrent a game to try-before-they-buy.
[QUOTE=Valnar;27673846]If games are too expensive and too shitty for you to buy them then just don't buy them.[/quote]
Okay. :smug:
[quote]How does game price or quality have anything to do with justifying piracy?[/QUOTE]
Often, games will have one or more specific features that are intriguing, something that you may want to experience but something that without a solid game attached to it, you wouldn't even consider buying. Now while pirating a game for this reason isn't exactly perfectly justifiable, I think the main point to be made is that it isn't a lost sale.
Piracy being an option will genuinely deter some people from buying a game they would have bought otherwise, it may also cause someone to buy a game they wouldn't have bought otherwise. In this case people who truthfully wouldn't have bought the game still get to experience it because piracy exists, but if piracy didn't exist, they just wouldn't have bothered, so it can hardly be considered a lost sale. It's only a lost sale if someone was going to buy the game and then just decided to pirate it because they can, you can't lump all piracy figures into the lost sale category.
[QUOTE=BCell;27669139]Maybe if i make a videogame and sell it at US$10.90, will you still pirate it?
I know there are still some cheapo cheapskates who pirated Minecraft and GMod[/QUOTE]
All the people I know who pirated Minecraft have already bought it because they loved it. I'm not saying everyone does that, but being able to try the game and it having a lower selling price really helped persuade them.
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;27667601][img_thumb]http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj95/teddi_orange/2akae82.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Define artificial? You do realize what electricity is right?
Some people download a game or two, and are so pleased with it/them they buy the games the company made. (I got 2 and was so pleased I bought 30 of the companies games off steam for a good price.)
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27674937]Some people download a game or two, and are so pleased with it/them they buy the games the company made. (I got 2 and was so pleased I bought 30 of the companies games)[/QUOTE]
Arguments like these don't work, because it works exactly the same if you bought the first 2 games instead of downloading them.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;27674091]Does this even attempt to account for the people who pirate as an "extended demo"? Many pirates torrent a game to try-before-they-buy.[/QUOTE]
Couldn't this be considered anecdotal evidence? Have they ever done an actual survey to see who buys a game they've pirated?
I mean, I've seen this argument used before, however I've also seen in political threads how people claim they know plenty of people that [insert "evidence" of how a certain racial/religious group are violent/stupid.]
[QUOTE=clanratc;27674998]Arguments like these don't work, because it works exactly the same if you bought the first 2 games instead of downloading them.[/QUOTE]
Well I guess I am in a minority then. At least I bought a pack of excellent games and will continue to keep buying more by that company.
And no sales were lost.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27675137]Well I guess I am in a minority then. At least I bought a pack of excellent games and will continue to keep buying more by that company.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying your decision was bad. What I meant was that saying that I pirated a game and it made me/others buy it/more games to justify piracy doesn't work because I could have just bought the game and gotten the same effect by telling my friends how good the game was.
[quote]British software organization UKIE has claimed that for every game legitimately purchased at a retailer, another four copies have been stolen. The group states that in Britain alone, the industry lost at least £1.45 billion to software pirates in 2010.[/quote]
My ass, most people downloading the games can't even run them properly it's more of an extended demo.
If you want to guarantee pc sales you need multiplayer, not intrusive drm. At least the piracy groups say if you like it, buy it.
[QUOTE=Riutet;27673267]Price of the game really isn't an issue, the problem is people don't want to buy bad games, but may still want to play the game if it has some feature they're interested in, but if the option for piracy wasn't there they just wouldn't bother.
For example I'd be willing to spend around 100 pounds on that special edition of The Witcher 2, because I really enjoyed The Witcher 1 (which I wouldn't have played if it weren't for piracy and not to mention bought it afterwards, same with Stalker), and know that I'm probably going to be getting a good game from CDPR when the sequel comes out.
But for CoD: Blops, I knew it was going to be shit, I was curious how shit it was going to be though, and was interested in how fucked up the levels themselves are, I would never have bought it anyway if the option of piracy wasn't there, I'd have just watched some clips on youtube (like the one that showed how bullshit the game actually was) or a Stream of the game. Of course I still wanted to see how much effort they'd put into scripting all the events in each level, but I seriously would never have bought that game. Ever.
And I imagine that except for the shortsighted "fuck the world" idiots who pirate every game regardless of whether they were going to enjoy it and could afford it, that this is what most people who are really into videogames are like.
When I think of videogames, I think of paintings, if I'm going to purchase one, I want to see it, to get to know it first before I even consider buying it, this isn't how things work in reality, but it's the ideal. Too many times now I've wasted cash buying a game that by all accounts should have been good if the media and demo was anything to go by, only to realise not long after buying and playing the game that I've wasted a good amount of money on something I wholly regret buying. I'm sick of the deceptive nature of marketing and advertisement, companies doing their best to make sure the truth about their game doesn't get out long enough for people to buy the game at which point it's too late for them to do anything about it.
Piracy for me is just making sure I don't fall prey to this, it may be illegal, but until the method by which game companies communicate the nature of their game across becomes more genuine and clear, it's how I and many others are going to operate. We don't abstain from buying games, we just don't buy the bad games.[/QUOTE]
These sorts of piraters I have no problem with. It's the drug-addicted emo high schoolers who are like 'fuck the nazi establishment of government, i wanna pirate every game!' that I have a problem with.
In fact it was a Facepuncher who suggested Europa Universalis to a guy. I checked out the game, and now I have bought every game by Paradox interactive.
[QUOTE=Callius;27667645]Well if they sold the games for £0 they could increase sales by 400% then! :downs:[/QUOTE]
more like infinity
[editline]26th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27675367]These sorts of piraters I have no problem with. It's the drug-addicted emo high schoolers who are like 'fuck the nazi establishment of government, i wanna pirate every game!' that I have a problem with.[/QUOTE]
Hope often do you see those types of people? I have honestly never even heard of such a concept
Valve seems to be plugging along just fine with these evil pirates around.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;27676288]
Hope often do you see those types of people? I have honestly never even heard of such a concept[/QUOTE]
I have a lot of friends with that attitude. Not really because they hate the corporations, but because they hate spending money.
Besides, [I]why[/I] should you spend money when you could easily just torrent the game for free? It's not like your purchase of the game will make a difference, so why spend your hard earned cash?
[editline]26th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;27676443]Valve seems to be plugging along just fine with these evil pirates around.[/QUOTE]
That's because Valve understands why people pirate games, which seems to do more with availability/ease of operation then cost.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;27676443]Valve seems to be plugging along just fine with these evil pirates around.[/QUOTE]
Obviously, you can't pirate a hat
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;27676443]Valve seems to be plugging along just fine with these evil pirates around.[/QUOTE]
Piracy could never bring a company down ever, unless it's a very small indie company that truly depends on each sale. Piracy could lower the profit for the companies though.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27676543]Obviously, you can't pirate a hat[/QUOTE]
[I]You wouldn't steal a Modest Pile...[/I]
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;27676579][I]You wouldn't steal a Modest Pile...[/I][/QUOTE]
Trading scams
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;27676288]Hope often do you see those types of people? I have honestly never even heard of such a concept[/QUOTE]
I've seen people before, but only a few, that are like 'fuck the government, it's trying to take us over'. They're usually game piraters.
Oh man those greedy fucks how dare they want money for there hard work I deserve everything for free!!!
Pirates can go rot in some kind of consumer hell.
[QUOTE=Edi;27670646]I live in Australia, most of our games are overpriced/censored/don't even get released here. I'm not forking out $100 to enjoy life a little more[/QUOTE]
I fucking hate this in Australia.
Any new release retail game is $100, and the stores are trying to push the standard to $110.
It's not until 9 months after release in which the prices start to drop to $80 or $70.
[QUOTE=dass;27666245]They can make that kind of math.
The math they can't seem to be able to do, is that games are generally overpriced, and no one wants to buy overpriced crap that was shat out a year after announcement, meaning a badly done game (bugged, seemingly unfinished, that doesn't seems to give a good enough reason to be bought)
Sales with discounts usually give them LOTS of sales. Why don't they set their prices lower? Not at 50% discounts, but, just LOWER.
And give us games with good enough reasons to buy. GOOD GAMES![/QUOTE]
I think $40-50 dollars is a fair price. Not $60-70
So in theory there was 4 billion dollars worth of copies of MW2 pirated.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer;27677772]So in theory there was 4 billion dollars worth of copies of MW2 pirated.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, maybe they woulda made more money if they halved the game's price
hmmmmm
in fact, this little ratio should be incentive that they can make more money if they halve the price
[QUOTE=Sift;27677434]Oh man those greedy fucks how dare they want money for there hard work I deserve everything for free!!!
Pirates can go rot in some kind of consumer hell.[/QUOTE]
Following your logic. So can people who buy the games second hand.
Why, that's virtually [b]COMMUNISM![/b]
[QUOTE=Sift;27677434]Oh man those greedy fucks how dare they want money for there hard work I deserve everything for free!!!
Pirates can go rot in some kind of consumer hell.[/QUOTE]
The amount of work put into a project is not equivalent to the end product produced, if that was the case Activision's output would be fucking amazing.
Game developers get paid for the work they do, whether they get kept on again is partly dependent on whether the game does well, and even then it's not a guarantee, it's common practice for entire teams to just be shitcanned after they're done with what they were working on.
The videogame industry is a creative industry, you can't just make a product and expect it to sell, you have to make an average, good, great or exceptional (at least in one specific area) game in order for it to sell, if you can't achieve that then regardless of how much effort was put into the product, you can't expect a decent return.
[QUOTE=Cluckyx;27677864]Following your logic. So can people who buy the games second hand.
Why, that's virtually [b]COMMUNISM![/b][/QUOTE]
[b]LIBERTY PRIME SAYS: "Death is a preferrable alternative...to COMMUNISM![/b]
:hurr:
For people disagreeing with the image I posted, I agree that it goes against IP and all that. What I'm pointing out is that they call it outright theft when it isn't.
[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/id/Zomgteddi/games?tab=all"]I don't advocate piracy one bit[/URL] however just because one side can come up with baseless excuses doesn't mean that the other can or should.
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