Duterte rated 'very good' in first 90 days: Philippines poll - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51160074] Marijuana is not addictive, can be vaporised or ingested with no long term health consequences, and is actually NOT illegal in at least a few US states now (and likely several more after November, as at least five more states are voting on it). The idea that somebody should be KILLED IN THE STREET for enjoying a harmless recreational drug, whose effects are even less severe than a few stiff drinks at a bar, and which is slowly becoming legal throughout the US, is disgusting.[/QUOTE] Duterte's ridiculous hitler statement aside, he DOES support medical marijuana. The targets for drug raids are generally those who use "shabu" or crystal meth. u wont get shot for smoking weed [editline] asd [/editline] i just wonder where u guys are getting that information about people getting killed in the streets for marijuana when we refer to "drugs" as a problem here it's usually specifically in reference to shit like crystal meth and when we refer to drug addicts it's not about those bunch of college students smoking weed and chilling in their places but those actual addicts who get their families into serious debt because of drug dealing(sometimes resulting in them being chased down to death by loan sharks/hired guns), those who are excessively violent due to their lifestyle i.e beating up their wives and so on and actually commit murder related to drug deals. had a bunch of them in my hometown before. really troublesome bunch. if it matters one of those people in my town was my relative and while my family financially supported his family for a while, he kept dealing with meth and beating up his wife and kids so he had to be sent to rehab for a year or two then his parents got him involved in a bunch of community projects afterwards. after that, he became a drug dealer again for quite some time despite already receiving adequate financial support from a bunch of relatives. he was even invited to move to canada to get a proper job but he rejected all of his parents' attempts and kept doing drug deals. it got to the point where they had to force him to surrender to the cops to be safe in prison because his drug amigos were after his life for some reason irdk [url]http://alcoholrehab.com/drug-addiction/crystal-meth-in-the-philippines-shabu/[/url] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0I7HyZNiI[/media] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51160215]As of two months ago: Like the four year old girl in the quote above, how can we verify in any sense that the casualties of this stupid fucking crusade are even the [I]guilty[/I] of the crime they are being executed for? Getting away with murder has become as simple as leaving a sign saying "drug dealer."[/QUOTE] at this point you might as well blame every murder and ever disease on the planet on durtete. how can you even confirm that the murder of a father and his young daughter is a drug-related murder condoned by duterte?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51160215]As of two months ago: This is not acceptable under any circumstances. Was the four year old also a drug addict? Duterte has given presidential approval for drug addicts to be murdered in the street, and people are taking up his call to action. At least as of the time that this statistic was gathered, 50 people a day were being murdered as a direct result of Duterte's personal war on drugs. If that rate has held true, nearly 2000 others have already joined the initial casualties, most of which are at the hands of vigilante murderers, carried out with no due process, and remain unsolved murders. The ends do not justify the means here. This is disgusting beyond words, not only for the fact that extrajudicial murders are, in and of themselves, a barbaric thing, but because there is literally no way to verify whether the people killed were [I]even involved in any drug offenses[/I]. Like the four year old girl in the quote above, how can we verify in any sense that the casualties of this stupid fucking crusade are even the [I]guilty[/I] of the crime they are being executed for? Getting away with murder has become as simple as leaving a sign saying "drug dealer."[/QUOTE] and even if this somehow stopped the drug trade, that leaves a portion of the population who now have weapons and have coordinated to straight-up murder people before. so then what's stopping these vigilante groups from just becoming, you know, criminals? the only way this plan could get more backwards is if Duterte was directly paying for gang wars.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51159980] Pot smoking is addictive, kills lungs, and is illegal. Get over it.[/QUOTE] sorry i dont mean to be off topic here but holy shit this is the first time i've seen just a straight up narc on facepunch

These stats don't seem completely made up at all.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51160215]As of two months ago: This is not acceptable under any circumstances. Was the four year old also a drug addict? Duterte has given presidential approval for drug addicts to be murdered in the street, and people are taking up his call to action. At least as of the time that this statistic was gathered, 50 people a day were being murdered as a direct result of Duterte's personal war on drugs. If that rate has held true, nearly 2000 others have already joined the initial casualties, most of which are at the hands of vigilante murderers, carried out with no due process, and remain unsolved murders. The ends do not justify the means here. This is disgusting beyond words, not only for the fact that extrajudicial murders are, in and of themselves, a barbaric thing, but because there is literally no way to verify whether the people killed were [I]even involved in any drug offenses[/I]. Like the four year old girl in the quote above, how can we verify in any sense that the casualties of this stupid fucking crusade are even the [I]guilty[/I] of the crime they are being executed for? Getting away with murder has become as simple as leaving a sign saying "drug dealer."[/QUOTE] Did you watched video DogGunn has posted? It explains a lot.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51160354]Well, best evidence, supply more reliable ones if you wanna see people throw the other out. Is this what you mean? DogGunn didnt post any video, he quoted one[/QUOTE] No no no, What I'm saying is These stats seem made up by Duterte administration. I highly doubt this is what the people actually think. I'm not questioning the sources of report.

[QUOTE=Fourier;51159792]What has western media to gain from demonizing Duerte? Just curious, I hope everything works alright for Philippines.[/QUOTE] Other than the easy clicks for media, the US has a huge vested interest in the Philippines. With the history of the Philippines being one of the colonies of the US, they are the direct foothold of the US within Asia. With the threats of Duterte joining Russia and China, the US gov't has really paid attention to the Philippines now. If you really think about it Duterte is just a result of people in the Philippines just wanting to be more independent from the roots of American imperialism. All these talks of the US about "human rights" should really been taken with a grain of salt because they probably dont give a shit and give a shit more about their bases in the Philippines. I mean look at this quote from US secretary of state [IMG]https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14484744_10205298115690939_1880041016803002127_n.jpg?oh=b89c879682d46dbd3466bf5bb73cfcb9&oe=58659BE2[/IMG] That's so fucking smug to say that "lol we have so much influence over your people." It's kinda weird talking about "democracy" when that very same democracy they helped set up years ago has voted in Duterte. Yeah very "democratic" for a bigger country just to use their huge economic and cultural influence to incite "people power" when it's actually "America's huge power" lmao

My neighbour just became crazy due to using meth, and tried to threaten and kill his mother/sister due to hallucinations and for more money. In the meantime the dealers are dealing just right in front of the mosque. The cops are still playing with their dicks in their hand at the police station. China knows how their country was devastated in the mid 20th century by drugs. I'm glad Duterte is taking a drastic measure against this threat. At least he's not killing people for oil.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51159709]Nope, that's wrong. It's just a smear campaign. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2PFbhFMAmw[/media] [editline]6th October 2016[/editline] It's just so easy for western media to turn him into a third world caricature.[/QUOTE] Sure, he isn't a crazy man wanting to kill 3 millions drug users, sureeeee, he's good, western is evil!

[QUOTE=Fourier;51159792]What has western media to gain from demonizing Duerte? Just curious, I hope everything works alright for Philippines.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/philippines-politics-philweb-idUSL3N1AL369]Philippine tycoon quits corporate post as Duterte vows to destroy "oligarchs"[/url] [editline]6th October 2016[/editline] Duterte is part of a new nationalism in the Philippines, which has no place in a neoliberal world. He wants to put his own nation first rather than subordinate it to the world corporate system and, because of this, he has to be discredited.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51159980]Pot smoking is addictive, kills lungs, and is illegal. Get over it.[/QUOTE] do you just "get over" everything you see that you feel is not right, as long as it's the law?

To be perfectly fair to the Philippines situation, hard drug abuse there is [I]rampant[/I] and the statistics regarding the use of meth and heroine are some fucking crazy shit. Not that I'm supporting his actions on a global scale (not going to be like "yeah we should just shoot meth dealers on sight in the streets of Paris, free shotguns and nooses for everybody"), but the fact is that the country's visibly kind of in deep shit and there hasn't been in much that was efficient in the ways of solving the issue without blowing every last cent in their treasury. I think it is pretty striking that the people who are getting the most obfuscated about this are from western nations who have likely never set foot in the country. Having some distance often helps a lot with looking at how countries handle their policies but simply taking your western standards of life, ideals and socio-economic situation and just applying them raw on a completely different nation isn't going to work.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51160791][url=http://www.reuters.com/article/philippines-politics-philweb-idUSL3N1AL369]Philippine tycoon quits corporate post as Duterte vows to destroy "oligarchs"[/url] [editline]6th October 2016[/editline] Duterte is part of a new nationalism in the Philippines, which has no place in a neoliberal world. He wants to put his own nation first rather than subordinate it to the world corporate system and, because of this, he has to be discredited.[/QUOTE] Or maybe he's just a madman who wants millions of people to die when they could be rehabilitated instead?

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51160953]Or maybe he's just a madman who wants millions of people to die when they could be rehabilitated instead?[/QUOTE] "He's just a madman" who happens to be favored by 64% of his country. Maybe we should at least take a look to see why that is rather than just shouting names and gaining no new understanding.

I think it's time to quarantine the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51160962]Or maybe people arent celebrating a murderous maniac and there are more facets to it than you think? Maybe things arent pure good & evil?[/QUOTE] Did Duterte call dibs on all the Western world's supply of moral relativism at the last despot convention or something? I swear nobody else has so many people bending over backwards to remind us "things are bad over there" and "the people support him," even though you could say the same for just about anyone.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51159980]But the equivalent to .14% of the population of Mars is only 1.82 robots. That's not so bad, is it? Pot smoking is addictive, kills lungs, and is illegal. Get over it.[/QUOTE] it's not addictive, it doesn't damage lungs the way ciggarettes do are you going to post facts or just bullshit

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51161066]"He's just a madman" who happens to be favored by 64% of his country. Maybe we should at least take a look to see why that is rather than just shouting names and gaining no new understanding.[/QUOTE] Trump has a huge support in the US, that doesn't mean he's is/would be a good leader.

I just wanna say that it doesn't really matter how popular someone is if they are doing some fucked up shit. Not going to say any names but if you look at history, you will see popular people who did HORRIBLE stuff. Has being 'popular' ever been an excuse to ignore some fucked up shit?

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;51161243]I just wanna say that it doesn't really matter how popular someone is if they are doing some fucked up shit. Not going to say any names but if you look at history, you will see popular people who did HORRIBLE stuff. Has being 'popular' ever been an excuse to ignore some fucked up shit?[/QUOTE] It's not an excuse. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at WHY these type of leaders are popular in the first place. To name the one you're probably thinking of, Hitler was one of Germany's most popular leaders ever, and there are reasons why.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51161428]It's not an excuse. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at WHY these type of leaders are popular in the first place. To name the one you're probably thinking of, Hitler was one of Germany's most popular leaders ever, and there are reasons why.[/QUOTE] you're all about the reasons aren't you maybe then you should look at the reasons why people don't like him as well instead of spouting this stuff [QUOTE=King Tiger;51160791]He wants to put his own nation first rather than subordinate it to the world corporate system and, because of this, he has to be discredited.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;51161183]Trump has a huge support in the US, that doesn't mean he's is/would be a good leader.[/QUOTE] It means there are some issues being overlooked by many.... you didn't understand king tiger post.... The same goes for the AfD winning in ex DDR Germany, UKIP winning the brexit, etc [editline]6th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51161469]you're all about the reasons aren't you maybe then you should look at the reasons why people don't like him as well instead of spouting this stuff[/QUOTE] then what should we be about?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51161474]then what should we be about?[/QUOTE] i think you need to re-read that post

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51161485]i think you need to re-read that post[/QUOTE] why instead of asking me to understand it in my own terms, don't you offer what you think about it? Would be much better, as I can't from one of your posts try to deduce what is your pov regarding king tiger's post.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51161066]"He's just a madman" who happens to be favored by 64% of his country. Maybe we should at least take a look to see why that is rather than just shouting names and gaining no new understanding.[/QUOTE] Tyrants are generally popular in history.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51161494]why instead of asking me to understand it in my own terms, don't you offer what you think about it? Would be much better, as I can't from one of your posts try to deduce what is your pov regarding king tiger's post.[/QUOTE] i didn't imply we shouldn't be 'about the reasons', i just said he needs to look for the reasons on the other side. your reply makes no sense

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51161503]i didn't imply we shouldn't be 'about the reasons', i just said he needs to look for the reasons on the other side. your reply makes no sense[/QUOTE] You're acting like I support Duterte and think he's a good guy. I don't. I'm only trying to explain why many Filipinos might support him. So I don't need to "see the other side" because I'm already there.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51161503]i didn't imply we shouldn't be 'about the reasons', i just said he needs to look for the reasons on the other side. your reply makes no sense[/QUOTE] poe's law

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51161683]poe's law[/QUOTE] no it's called bad reading on your part you interpreted a post that emphasizes reasons as a post speaking out against looking for reasons

It's astounding how many of the posters on this thread seemed to have skipped [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1536846&p=51160271&viewfull=1#post51160271"]Rainboo's post[/URL], a page ago. Insight from a local is precisely what we need in these cases. Perpetuating lies and FUD shows that you don't really care about what's going on.