Google Dev apologises after Photos app tags black people as "gorillas". - Polidicks

[QUOTE=krutomisi;48094102]thing is the 'AI' could be based off scraped webpage data, there is always a chance the dataset includes a racial bias[/QUOTE] Image detection ai generally dont do this, its not beneficial for basic object recognition so there's no reason they'd implement such a thing.

Reminds me of the thing where darker skinned people couldn't use the Kinect because the sensors couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on.

[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48093491]I had a friend whose toddler called black people monkeys :v: In the supermarket one day; "DADDY LOOK! MONKEYS!"[/QUOTE] When I was little I wondered what the black kids painted their skin with, then I thought it was a disease, finally I grew old enough (around 5 or 6 years) and I realised it was just the colour of their skin.

yeah what JohnnyMo1 said, + i'd like to expand upon that we've all seen Planet of the Apes, we should learn from those films and heed their warnings!!

[quote=From Article]He even said that the app once had a major bug where people of all races were automatically tagged as dogs.[/quote] Looks like there's been a history if these issues.

My mate looks a bit like a ferret so i really want to try this out and see what it labels him.

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Just sounds to me like overly ambitious recognition software not keeping up with it's capabilities.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;48101488]Just sounds to me like overly ambitious recognition software not keeping up with it's capabilities.[/QUOTE] More like someone mucked up the samples the software was learning from. It recognises things by first learning patterns from sample sets of images which are confirmed by humans, then using those patterns to identify images. Perhaps the images it was fed for black people weren't varied enough, maybe the skin wasn't dark enough or as someone said before, they might have all been clothed.

[QUOTE=finbe;48094566][url]http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/06/inceptionism-going-deeper-into-neural.html[/url] This should help explain why it's having these sort of issues, but i'm glad google didn't say something like "you're holding the phone wrong/posing wrong."[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/J3ezb66.jpg[/t] Whoah.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;48101708][t]http://i.imgur.com/J3ezb66.jpg[/t] Whoah.[/QUOTE] [t]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XZ0i0zXOhQk/VYIXdyIL9kI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/UbA6j41w28o/s1600/building-dreams.png[/t] this is fucking amazing

[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Gorillaz_Demon_Days.PNG[/t] ? [sp] Yes I know they were talking about real gorillas. [/sp]

[img]http://s29.postimg.org/pc4ud2oj9/gorillas.png[/img]

What a completely un-necessary feature in the first place.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;48102088][t]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XZ0i0zXOhQk/VYIXdyIL9kI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/UbA6j41w28o/s1600/building-dreams.png[/t] this is fucking amazing[/QUOTE] Those are made entirely by a computer from straight-up noise. Technology is incredible and it can make art

[QUOTE=massaki;48103102]What a completely un-necessary feature in the first place.[/QUOTE] Actually it's brilliant when it works correctly (which is most of the time in my experience), especially if you have a lot of photos. You can search for very specific things without organizing/tagging anything manually.

[QUOTE=massaki;48103102]What a completely un-necessary feature in the first place.[/QUOTE] have you ever even used it pulling pictures of everyone you know out based on face recognition is pretty great

[QUOTE=massaki;48103102]What a completely un-necessary feature in the first place.[/QUOTE] As a photographer it makes uploading images so much easier. No one's going to see your pictures unless you tag them, and this essentially automatically gives all your photos standardized tags that make the searching process much more streamlined and the tagging process less tedious and less reliant on the photographer's ability to make up tags.

[QUOTE=artDecor;48093642]this is how you know there weren't any black people in the office during development[/QUOTE] No, this is how you learn how deep neural nets make@mistakes.

[QUOTE=bunguer;48093961]AI doesn't know or care what political correctness is, it simply mislabelled it. If it had mislabelled a dog for a wolf it still would be an impressive algorithm and no one would bat an eye, having to apologize for something like that is weird, no one trained the algorithm to classify black people as gorillas on purpose.[/QUOTE] You just equated the similarities between a wolf and a dog to a black person and a gorilla lmfao

[QUOTE=christarp;48107882]You just equated the similarities between a wolf and a dog to a black person and a gorilla lmfao[/QUOTE] To be fair darker skin means lower contrast so it's probably harder for the algorithm to tell the difference than with bright-furred animals.

[img]http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JE720_Google_E_20150701142359.jpg[/img] this is the picture they're apologizing about by the way (didn't see it in the article)

[QUOTE=christarp;48107882]You just equated the similarities between a wolf and a dog to a black person and a gorilla lmfao[/QUOTE] ...Yeah, your point? It's an algorithm, so it doesn't know the exact differences between them. If you saw a blurry photo of a gorilla and a blurry photo of a black person, both in the same position and background, would you be able to tell the difference? Dark skin, similar facial structure... They [I]are[/I] similar, at a very, very brief glance. We think it preposterous because we know black people are, well, people, and thus recognize other clues as to whether something is human or gorilla, even if the two animals are similar. The algorithm isn't too familiar with that.

[QUOTE=christarp;48107882]You just equated the similarities between a wolf and a dog to a black person and a gorilla lmfao[/QUOTE] He gave a bad example, but it is a problem that system's had, as well as not being able to tell the difference between rats and small dogs very well.

[QUOTE=finbe;48094566][url]http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/06/inceptionism-going-deeper-into-neural.html[/url] This should help explain why it's having these sort of issues, but i'm glad google didn't say something like "you're holding the phone wrong/posing wrong."[/QUOTE] cool, just as i was about to say how i wished i could make these images myself but google would never release it [URL="http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/07/deepdream-code-example-for-visualizing.html"]http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/07/deepdream-code-example-for-visualizing.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=uitham;48123091]cool, just as i was about to say how i wished i could make these images myself but google would never release it [URL="http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/07/deepdream-code-example-for-visualizing.html"]http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/07/deepdream-code-example-for-visualizing.html[/URL][/QUOTE] All I'm taking from these blog posts is that Google developed software to draw pagodas and dogblobs.

Goddamn that's hilarious, I mean if you think logically then the racism behind it is totally nothing to take seriously, but the fact that a lot of people will get triggered by an innocent little shitty computer program is hilarious to me. I mean we as a species share lots of genetic similarities as gorillas. It just happens to be that if you have black skin that a bad computer program can get confused.

Reminds me of [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy5saRyMymM[/media]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48123583]All I'm taking from these blog posts is that Google developed software to draw pagodas and dogblobs.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and if you lived in a terrifying reality of dogblobs and more dogblobs then this would be an easy mistake to make while you're screaming at all of the dogs oh god the dogeyes. imagine a world where snoop dog is more dog than snoop [img]http://i.imgur.com/0KY10GK.png[/img] [QUOTE=uitham;48123091]cool, just as i was about to say how i wished i could make these images myself but google would never release it [URL="http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/07/deepdream-code-example-for-visualizing.html"]http://googleresearch.blogspot.dk/2015/07/deepdream-code-example-for-visualizing.html[/URL][/QUOTE] [url]https://github.com/VISIONAI/clouddream[/url] This is a more usable project, there's also [url]deepdreams.zainshah.net[/url] which isn't currently up.

[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48093491]I had a friend whose toddler called black people monkeys :v: In the supermarket one day; "DADDY LOOK! MONKEYS!"[/QUOTE] Shit like this is gold cause in a lot of cases little kids just dont know any better