• Israel: "nah lol cba" on investigating a Gaza airstrike which left 12 civilians dead
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[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40278846]During the Arab spring and now Israel is the only successful middle eastern country. They are very stable and they don't have massacures going on like the one in Syria. Israel isn't run by dictators and technically it is a democracy. Yes it isn't a perfect democracy but what country is? They have the best scientists, nurses, engineers, etc. I wasn't be a supremacist when I said this either. These are facts. The quality of life in Israel is much better than in the Arab countries. In Saudi Arabia they would cut your hands off if you did anything bad and in Iraq they could hang or stone you. Another proof of racism: in surveys MOST Arabs hated or had bad feelings against JEWS, not Israelis or Zionists. The Jews that are still living there have to be very careful because they were often attacked by the residents.[/QUOTE] Israel supporters love to harp about Israel's success, its a cute tactic that is meant to draw away attention from Israel's oppression of the natives on the land.
[QUOTE=Winters;40278876]The quality of life is good there for Jews and only Jews. If it were such an "Advanced" nation they wouldn't sink down to the supposed racism of their neighbors.[/QUOTE] I'll admit it life is better there for the Israelis, but what country do the minorities have as good of a life as the majorities? Very often Arab MKs and Arab residents completely exaggerate their situation. It's true that the non Israeli Arabs have to go through checkpoints everyday which makes life very complicated and annoying for them but it's for security reasons and it's actually worked. There hasn't been a suicide bombing in a while and they can search for knives and other weapons. Some may think this is discrimination but how can you not "discriminate" when it's mostly Palestinians who are doing this? This is the only logical thing to do. Just like right now I have sympathy for Palestinians and understand their viewpoint, but when will they understand and sympathize with MY viewpoint? The Holocaust has nothing to do with the way Israel treats the Palestinians and Israel is not like the Nazis. They don't round up a bunch of innocent civilians and start killing them. The Holocaust too was not the reason for the state of Israel although now Israelis feel more secure that they have their own state and army and can now probably prevent another one. There were actually mass killings of Jews even WAY before the Holocaust and for thousands of years Jews were discriminated against one way or another.
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40278999]I'll admit it life is better there for the Israelis, but what country do the minorities have as good of a life as the majorities? Very often Arab MKs and Arab residents completely exaggerate their situation.[/QUOTE] Do you think check-points are the only thing they have to deal with? Buses have been segregated, homes are stolen and destroyed, refugees from africa are sterilized and secretly deported, Gaza strip despite not being able to get outside trade gets the bare minimum amount of aid from Isreal, Palestinian prisoners are treated as POWs in Israel prison, And Jewish settlements are endorsed within the west bank and from these settlements I add, attacks are launched on Palestinian homes within the west bank.
[QUOTE=Winters;40278962]Okay? Do you think the fact that there is no ethnic genocide makes Isreal a nation worth respecting. They've got a long list of human rights violations. In fact the same attacks you say they face outside of their nation are turned around on the Arabs within their own. Entire Palestinian homes and settlements come under attack and are torn down around Jewish settlements (in the west bank). Homes are stolen at night from Palestinians. Isreal commits the same crimes you say are committed against them.[/QUOTE] Because the entire international community is completely biased and OBSESSED with Israel and the "human rights violations" are often exaggerated or they contain fallacies like the "siege" on Gaza claiming that they don't get enough food, water, aid, etc when Israel allows them through designated crossings only. The red cross is allowed to give them AID and the "mistreated" palestinian prisoners are given Red Cross visits when the prisoners in PA prisoners aren't. The Palestinian jails also have much worse conditions than the Israeli prisons and they often torture their prisoners. But nobody talks about that do they? They don't want AID ships to come from the sea since that's how guns, weapons, etc would make their way to the Gaza militants and they don't want to have to search all of them either. That's why there's a naval blockade of Gaza. Of course they've found a way around this by building tunnels through Egypt and Gaza.
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40279091]Because the entire international community is completely biased and OBSESSED with Israel and the "human rights violations" are often exaggerated or they contain wrong information like the "siege" on Gaza claiming that they don't get enough food, water, aid, etc when Israel allows them through designated crossings only. The red cross is allowed to give them AID and the "mistreated" palestinian prisoners are given Red Cross visits when the prisoners in PA prisoners aren't. The Palestinian jails also have much worse conditions than the Israeli prisons and they often torture their prisoners. But nobody talks about that do they? They don't want AID ships to come from the sea since that's how guns, weapons, etc would make their way to the Gaza militants and they don't want to have to search all of them either. That's why there's a naval blockade of Gaza. Of course they've found a way around this by building tunnels through Egypt and Gaza.[/QUOTE] shut uppe do you realise that israel has also actively repressed palestinians even going as far as to demolish palestinian settlements, some of which built by western aid workers
[QUOTE=Falchion;40279129]shut uppe do you realise that israel has also actively repressed palestinians even going as far as to demolish palestinian settlements, some of which built by western aid workers[/QUOTE] No because he is ignoring those widely reported human rights violations dismissing them as "exaggeration"
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40279091]Because the entire international community is completely biased and OBSESSED with Israel and the "human rights violations" are often exaggerated or they contain wrong information like the "siege" on Gaza claiming that they don't get enough food, water, aid, etc when Israel allows them through designated crossings only. The red cross is allowed to give them AID and the "mistreated" palestinian prisoners are given Red Cross visits when the prisoners in PA prisoners aren't. The Palestinian jails also have much worse conditions than the Israeli prisons and they often torture their prisoners. But nobody talks about that do they? They don't want AID ships to come from the sea since that's how guns, weapons, etc would make their way to the Gaza militants and they don't want to have to search all of them either. That's why there's a naval blockade of Gaza. Of course they've found a way around this by building tunnels through Egypt and Gaza.[/QUOTE] I love how you avoided Winters points.
[QUOTE=Winters;40279079]Do you think check-points are the only thing they have to deal with? Buses have been segregated, homes are stolen and destroyed, refugees from africa are sterilized and secretly deported, Gaza strip despite not being able to get outside trade gets the bare minimum amount of aid from Isreal, Palestinian prisoners are treated as POWs in Israel prison, And Jewish settlements are endorsed within the west bank and from these settlements I add, attacks are launched on Palestinian homes within the west bank.[/QUOTE] Actually, they get less than minimum amount of aid from Israel. [QUOTE] An Israeli court has forced the release of government research detailing the number of calories Palestinians in Gaza need to consume to avoid malnutrition. The "red lines" documents concluded that Israel needed to allow 106 lorryloads of supplies into Gaza every day to allow for the "daily humanitarian portion", which included basic food, medicine, medical equipment, hygiene products and agricultural inputs. But Gisha says that during that time an average of only 67 lorryloads a day were allowed into Gaza. "The facts on the ground indicate that food imports consistently fell below the red lines." "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added. Israeli government officials now acknowledge the food restrictions were partly intended to put pressure on Hamas by making the lives of people in Gaza difficult, says the BBC's Jon Donnison in Gaza City.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19975211[/url]
[QUOTE=Winters;40279079]Do you think check-points are the only thing they have to deal with? Buses have been segregated, homes are stolen and destroyed, refugees from africa are sterilized and secretly deported, Gaza strip despite not being able to get outside trade gets the bare minimum amount of aid from Isreal, Palestinian prisoners are treated as POWs in Israel prison, And Jewish settlements are endorsed within the west bank and from these settlements I add, attacks are launched on Palestinian homes within the west bank.[/QUOTE] No, the Palestinian only buses are to make travel within the west bank easier which has helped them and they can ride the regular buses too. This isn't segregation/Apartheid. A lot of the homes were destroyed when they were owned by terrorists/extremist settlers. There I admitted it some of the settlers do sometimes steal their homes and the government needs to do something about this. Refugees were not sterilized, that is propaganda seriously. Too many of these things are said. Israel deals with any illegal migrants the same way. African or not. They are actually treated better in Israel than in Arab countries since Israel still has some and if they are caught trying to go to Egypt or another Arab country they are SHOT on first sight. I said before Gaza gets enough AID and you can see videos or pictures of the people living there. A lot of them are quite healthy. Israel also supplies the Gaza strip with water and electricity. I already went over the false Palestinian POW prisoner thing. The government should stop more illegal settlements. I already went over this too in another post. Yes they need to stop the attacks on Palestinian homes from the west bank from settlers. I've said that Israel is not perfect but it certainly isn't a terrible country either. [editline]14th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Fangz;40279149]I love how you avoided Winters points.[/QUOTE] I just posted it as I didn't look see it before. I can only type and read so fast plus I will probably need to take a break soon. See this post.
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40278524]No they want a Jewish majority and the Arabs are having more children. It isn't racist either since most countries with a majority consider themselves that majority nation. Besides from history and major racism against Jews, the Israelis know that the only way to live in a secure country that people feel at home in, is to live in a country with a majority of themselves. They can't give back parts of Jerusalem to the Palestinians. That would be suicide for Israel. It would actually encourage the extremists and more extremist Arabs would move there and destroy more Jewish artifacts (which they are already doing.) They would also use it as another proxy by Iran to encourage terrorists to move there and they would probably be encouraged to launch rockets there at closer Israeli targets. People don't like to hear the truth and think everybody would get along but this is what would really happen. Some Arab groups even said that they would want to expand into Jerusalem and launch an apocalyptic war against the Jewish state.[/QUOTE] This is the same logic that people in the KKK use to justify their hatred of immigrants and interracial marriage.
israel did nothing wrong guys its all just a big misunderstanding [editline]14th April 2013[/editline] it wasnt israel it was frank dont u remember
[QUOTE=Melkor;40279175]This is the same logic that people in the KKK use to justify their hatred of immigrants and interracial marriage.[/QUOTE] This is nothing like the KKK. Do you think Iran would want a majority of Arabs (non persians living there) or Saudi Arabia having a Jewish majority or England having a German majority, etc, etc? I didn't think so. As I keep saying this is for Israel's security since riots against Jews and the fact that a lot of Muslims/Arabs are not the most tolerant people of Jews.
[QUOTE=Bobie;40279182]israel did nothing wrong guys its all just a big misunderstanding [editline]14th April 2013[/editline] it wasnt israel it was frank dont u remember[/QUOTE] they meant to lob over rations and medical supplies but they accidentally put in bombs
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40279168] A lot of the homes were destroyed when they were owned by terrorists/extremist settlers. [/QUOTE] Did you seriously just suggest that it is ok to demolish and/or seize someone's home if you think they are an extremist?!
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40279168]No, the Palestinian only buses are to make travel within the west bank easier which has helped them and they can ride the regular buses too. This isn't segregation/Apartheid. A lot of the homes were destroyed when they were owned by terrorists/extremist settlers. There I admitted it some of the settlers do sometimes steal their homes and the government needs to do something about this. Refugees were not sterilized, that is propaganda seriously. Too many of these things are said. Israel deals with any illegal migrants the same way. African or not. They are actually treated better in Israel than in Arab countries since Israel still has some and if they are caught trying to go to Egypt or another Arab country they are SHOT on first sight. I said before Gaza gets enough AID and you can see videos or pictures of the people living there. A lot of them are quite healthy. Israel also supplies the Gaza strip with water and electricity. I already went over the false Palestinian POW prisoner thing. The government should stop more illegal settlements. I already went over this too in another post. Yes they need to stop the attacks on Palestinian homes from the west bank from settlers. I've said that Israel is not perfect but it certainly isn't a terrible country either.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but you're very obviously ignorant, please take a look at some of these if you honestly believe the shit you are spewing. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H75IKka3FWo[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq1LK2qMwLA[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecP4VOe_Kzs[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W5J25MvSp0[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypuV3K5R5tU[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ZBeAkIIw0[/url]
[QUOTE=laserguided;40278930]Yeah and a Israeli poll finds majority would be in favour of 'apartheid' policies against Arabs.[/QUOTE] Because if you are living with a lot of people who hold extremist views against you, it will basically drive you to become a bit of an extremist as well don't you think? Think of the neighborhood Israel lives in. it isn't exactly the most friendly.
"Intel Inside", we know that Mossad hired you to promote pro-Israel status, you cannot hide from us. We have already reserved a grave for you, right next to BurnEmDown's.
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40279249]Because if you are living with a lot of people who hold extremist views against you, it will basically drive you to become a bit of an extremist as well don't you think? Think of the neighborhood Israel lives in. it isn't exactly the most friendly.[/QUOTE] I think Israel is the unfriendly one.
[QUOTE=Fangz;40279219]Did you seriously just suggest that it is ok to demolish and/or seize someone's home if you think they are an extremist?![/QUOTE] I mis typed. I meant to say that Israel used to have a policy of bull dozing Palestinian terrorists homes and sometimes extremist settlers try or do destroy their houses.
[QUOTE=laserguided;40279281]I think Israel is the unfriendly one.[/QUOTE] yeah but israel said palestine were unfriendly first
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;40278545]I just think it's funny how much Israel hates the old Nazi regime when they're one of the closest things to it in this present time.[/QUOTE] That's almost completely wrong.
[QUOTE=Bobie;40279182]israel did nothing wrong guys its all just a big misunderstanding [editline]14th April 2013[/editline] it wasnt israel it was frank dont u remember[/QUOTE] Fuckin' Frank, always screwing things up. [QUOTE=Retardation;40279305]no, the hatred is equal and mutual. has been for decades.[/QUOTE] This so much. Keep in mind Israel was only recognized by the PLO in 1993, only twenty years ago. Compare that to the forty five years in which they didn't recognize that Israel had a right to exist and actively worked with other Arab states to bring down the Israeli state. Might explain why the two sides aren't exactly welcoming each other with open arms. This isn't as simple as "Israel needs to stop being a douche." Things can't just change on a dime like so many people always want them to. EDIT: Stop screwing with me right now Facepunch.
[QUOTE=laserguided;40279281]I think Israel is the unfriendly one.[/QUOTE] Research the Arab countries viewpoints on the 1948 Israel war for indepence and you'll see what I'm talking about. They DID say they wanted to drive the Jews into the sea. Most of the other countries have way more human rights violations than Israel but it's hardly ever posted in the media. Again the entire world is OBSESSED with Israel and ignores other otoctities. I bet you if the Syrian Civil war was in Israel people would try to stop it more so than they are doing now. People can't seem to fathom that a people that have been opressed more than any other people and went though the holocaust now have a country and have power. So now it's like Israel did this "OH NO!!!" Israel is like the little kid in the neighborhood that is always getting picked on. Did you guys know that when the Rwandan genocide was going on the UN was debating whether Zionism was racism. Yeah and just about all the resolutions are against Israel and ignore atrocities commited by other countries. I'm not saying that Israel has not committed any crimes or any wrong doing but again it's often exaggerated or very obsessional.
[QUOTE=Retardation;40279305]no, the hatred is equal and mutual. has been for decades.[/QUOTE] No before Israel existed as a modern nation many Arabs and muslims did not like Jews but when Israel declared itself a state they hated it even more and so then some Jews started hating them back.
[QUOTE=Retardation;40279351]did you know Palestinian refugees are treated like absolute fucking garbage in every single arab state? it's actually pretty surprising. [editline]14th April 2013[/editline] muh automerge[/QUOTE] Yeah they just need to be made citizens of the countries that they are currently living in now just as Israel did for most of their Jewish residents from Arab countries. Also the number of refugees was made higher than it was supposed to be since having one Palestinian refugee as an ancestor automatically makes you a refugee too and then the number is huge since it would include their sons/daughters and grand sons/daughters.
why can't we all just live in peace
[QUOTE=Retardation;40279392]please stop acting like a idiot seriously you're making everyone else who inadvertently defends israel/is neutral about the conflict look bad.[/QUOTE] Are you Israeli or Jewish? Also how am I acting like an idiot? There were pogroms and killings/ mistreatment of Jews before the establishment of Israel. Also you are acting like an idiot thinking that if somebody or a group of individuals starting hating you that that wouldn't make you hostile back or start thinking that all of them are like that. That's just natural psychology. It's almost like the fight or flight response but applied to a whole group of people.
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40279364]No before Israel existed as a modern nation many Arabs and muslims did not like Jews but when Israel declared itself a state they hated it even more and so then some Jews started hating them back.[/QUOTE] Dude, you realize that the Jews had gotten a piece of land from the UN, and then just started taking the land around them from the Arabs until it became what it is today? Can you maybe think about why they hate them besides that muslims and jews don't go together very well?
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;40279461]Dude, you realize that the Jews had gotten a piece of land from the UN, and then just started taking the land around them from the Arabs until it became what it is today? Can you maybe think about why they hate them besides that muslims and jews don't go together very well?[/QUOTE] "and then just started taking the land" is the bullshityist simplification of the Arab-Israeli conflict I've ever seen.
Intel is right to claim that there were pogroms, but for the most part the Jews and Arabs in the region lived relatively peacefully. Keep in mind that Jews had begun settling in Palestine right around the turn of the century it really wasn't until the 1920s & 1930s that the situation became decidedly hostile. The rather rapid expansion of Jewish holdings in Palestine in the WWII period certainly exasperated the situation. Tenant farmers suddenly losing their holdings when their landlords sold the property was also rather off-putting to many. Either way, it's a conflict stretching over a century that has no clear party in the right. To characterize either entity as the sole responsible party will always be inaccurate and to expect either party to make an about/face is unreasonable.
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