Israel: "nah lol cba" on investigating a Gaza airstrike which left 12 civilians dead
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[QUOTE=Thom12255;40279541]"and then just started taking the land" is the bullshityist simplification of the Arab-Israeli conflict I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]
you could actually argue about something instead of saying "no this is wrong"
[QUOTE=KingArcher;40279562]you could actually argue about something instead of saying "no this is wrong"[/QUOTE]
I sort of alluded to it in my post, but whatever.
The land was legally purchased, for the most part. The crux of the issue was that the wealthy landowners had leased the property to Arab farmers (Who had been working the land since Ottoman rule) and they sold the land to the Jewish National Fund, the main example being the purchase of the Jezreel Valley purchase from the Sursock family.
These farmers were usually not informed of the purchase and were then in turn kicked off their land. As this increased into the 1920s it caused a previously fragmented Arab society to unite (Which given the Nationalistic fervour of the post-WWI period is unsurprising) and resulted in ethnic tension, particularly suspicion of Zionist motivation and immigration (As seen in the 1920 Nebi Musa riots)
Holy shit, that lecture I took on the history of Palestine & Israel is paying off.
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;40278545]I just think it's funny how much Israel hates the old Nazi regime when they're one of the closest things to it in this present time.[/QUOTE]
You're comparing a nation that actively murdered over 6 million people and hated them based on their religion, to a conflict that is decades old and includes mutual hate from both sides and human rights violations from both sides. (Launching rockets and plotting terror attacks against Israeli citizens,Israel stealing land from Palestinians;mistreating them(still a better treatment than in most Muslim countries)
and causing high amounts of unintended civilian casualties in various operations.
While Israel is mishandling the situation with the Palestinians, comparing it to the Nazi regime is wrong when countries like Syria are butchering their own citizens(in less than 3 years they killed more people than in the Arab-Israeli conflict) or North Korea starving its citizens and threatening to attack countries.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;40279541]"and then just started taking the land" is the bullshityist simplification of the Arab-Israeli conflict I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's just my poor knowledge in this shit idk
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;40279636]The land was legally purchased, for the most part.[/QUOTE]
Not true, only 8% of it was. That's not "for the most part" That's miniscule compared to the actual land-grabbing. The minor Jewish land purchases are entirely irrelevant and shouldn't even be brought up due to how misleading it is.
I thought Intel was taking the piss but idk
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40278305]Facepunch is so stupid. They are incredibly biased towards Israel even though most people support Israel based on moral rights and some logic. I'm sick and tired of every single Israel thread here that is biased against Israel and people wonder why Israel ignores the UN and the Human Rights Council considering how many hypocritical Israel enemies are on it. Israel may not be perfect but it's sure as hell a lot better than all the other countries in the middle east. The Palestinians just use violence over and over again and wonder why Israel is so hesitant to give them a state. If they had been more peaceful they could of had their state a while ago. They also blame Israel for their conditions when it's their own fault. Everything Israel has done that has made life more complicated for the Palestinians was for security reasons. Also when Palestinian militants were firing into Israel not one Arab leader said a damn thing to condemn it. If they actually wanted peace they would condemn any violence towards anyone. You also never hear Palestinians say lets try to analyze this from the Israeli point of view. They never sympathize ever for their aspirations and yet Israelis feel good when life for them is better. I'm just sick and tired of this.[/QUOTE]
Boo fucking hoo. Israel is the new Third Reich. Deal with it. You haven't yet come up with a single reason why we should feel sorry for Israel, when they're stealing and destroying Palestinian property, forcing them to starve in ghettoes and slaughtering their civilians.
[QUOTE=johnsten;40279208]they meant to lob over rations and medical supplies but they accidentally put in bombs[/QUOTE]
The mail man here sometimes makes that mistake when depositing mail, He's so silly.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;40279698]Maybe it's just my poor knowledge in this shit idk[/QUOTE]
idk i guess you're pretty smart about this xD
[QUOTE=archangel125;40279785]Boo fucking hoo. Israel is the new Third Reich. Deal with it. You haven't yet come up with a single reason why we should feel sorry for Israel, when they're stealing and destroying Palestinian property, forcing them to starve in ghettoes and slaughtering their civilians.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, he'll just ignore all of your points and pulls some trivial bullshit to try and invalidate whatever you say.
[QUOTE=Tigster;40279845]The mail man here sometimes makes that mistake when depositing mail, He's so silly.[/QUOTE]
Free fireworks? bitchin'
I only get Jehovah's witness recruitment letters.
Or they're just afraid to come door knocking after that last time.
Hard to support invaders.
invaders? on the basis of what is this said? another attempt at propaganda ...
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[QUOTE=Starpluck;40279733]Not true, only 8% of it was. That's not "for the most part" That's miniscule compared to the actual land-grabbing. The minor Jewish land purchases are entirely irrelevant and shouldn't even be brought up due to how misleading it is.[/QUOTE]
source?
Its on the basis that the majority of Israelis are the children of European and Russian colonizers.
[QUOTE=The Mute;40280238]invaders? on the basis of what is this said? another attempt at propaganda ...
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Well you know the whole taking over what looks to be 90% of their land, forcing 700,000 to flee their homes and killing 1.5 million in the process basis.
good, good talk. everybody is a saint, they just throw stuff in the air regardless of context as if they have the answers or even a concept of right or wrong 2500km away sitting in their mcdonalds .
[QUOTE=The Mute;40280379]good, good talk. everybody is a saint, they just throw stuff in the air regardless of context as if they have the answers or even a concept of right or wrong 2500km away sitting in their mcdonalds .[/QUOTE]
And the facts, naturally, are irrelevant, eh, Mute? All the statistics and legitimate data have no meaning, but you're an expert.
[QUOTE=The Mute;40280379]good, good talk. everybody is a saint, they just throw stuff in the air regardless of context as if they have the answers or even a concept of right or wrong 2500km away sitting in their mcdonalds .[/QUOTE]
good, good blindly disregard facts because of a disgusting sense of national pride and jingoism while sitting in your home less than 100 miles away from the oppressed masses.
[QUOTE=danelo;40280358]Well you know the whole taking over what looks to be 90% of their land, forcing 700,000 to flee their homes and killing 1.5 million in the process basis.[/QUOTE]
their land. say who? says what? where are u getting this data?
[QUOTE=The Mute;40280438]their land. say who? says what? where are u getting this data?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Winters;40280418]good, good blindly disregard facts because of a disgusting sense of national pride and jingoism while sitting in your home less than 100 miles away from the oppressed masses.[/QUOTE]
where are these facts? i see no facts, especially not some that could be inferred from your comments besides bizzare love which can only be infered as self-righteousness. save the trees. cut the bullshit. sup Hiroshima.
"opressed" masses. do you even know half of the story, or are you just blindly following the people? fun trend.
[QUOTE=The Mute;40280472]where are these facts? i see no facts, especially not some that could be inferred from your comments besides bizzare love which can only be infered as self-righteousness. save the trees. cut the bullshit. sup Hiroshima.
"opressed" masses. do you even know half of the story, or are you just blindly following the people? fun trend.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Winters;40279231]I'm sorry but you're very obviously ignorant, please take a look at some of these if you honestly believe the shit you are spewing.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H75IKka3FWo[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq1LK2qMwLA[/url]
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[quote]But it said the strike had been justified as it happened during an attempt to target a senior militant.[/quote]
good job, those 12 civilian's family and so on will become Hamas sympathizers or even attempt to join the active war against Israel because you're the proving them right by giving Hamas ammunition by killing twelve fucking civilians.
"guiys israel is only murdering people en masse and justifying it by saying they were targetting militants because everybody hates them for murdering people en masse and justifying it by saying they were targetting militants. Its just killing becuz everbody has a hateboner 4 them!!!!!!"
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;40280540]"guiys israel is only murdering people en masse and justifying it by saying they were targetting militants because everybody hates them for murdering people en masse and justifying it by saying they were targetting militants. Its just killing becuz everbody has a hateboner 4 them!!!!!!"[/QUOTE]
You're late.
[QUOTE]They don't round up a bunch of innocent civilians and start killing them. [/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you there, they kill innocent civilians more efficiently using missiles.
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a good read, that sums up everything i could ever say. it's hebrew, yes, if any of the nice jews around here cba to translate it for you guys ... it will open a lot more room for dynamic conversations unlike what's been going on here which is "jews kill. hitler. fuck them." propaganda.
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a good read, that sums up everything i could ever say. it's hebrew, yes, if any of the nice jews around here cba to translate it for you guys ... it will open a lot more room for dynamic conversations unlike what's been going on here which is "jews kill. hitler. fuck them." propaganda.[/QUOTE]
No, you're just choosing to see a criticism of Israel's expansionist, apartheid policy as anti-semitism. The fact that you won't translate, verbatim, the link you posted, while knowing most people here can't read Hebrew, only weakens your position and strengthens that of your opponents. You've been backed into a corner with hard evidence, you're shitting yourself, and you're trying to laugh it off.
[B]Pathetic.[/B]
Hang your head in shame, and walk out of this debate, before you make yourself look like even more of an idiot. If you're not going to change your opinion, that's fine. You can go on living in your fantasy.
[QUOTE=The Mute;40280238]source?[/QUOTE]
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Source: [I][URL="http://books.google.com/books/about/A_Survey_of_Palestine_Under_the_British.html?id=KBSDam2TDaEC"]A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN[/URL][/I], p. 566.
6%.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40279785]Boo fucking hoo. Israel is the new Third Reich. Deal with it. You haven't yet come up with a single reason why we should feel sorry for Israel, when they're stealing and destroying Palestinian property, forcing them to starve in ghettoes and slaughtering their civilians.[/QUOTE]
Is your IQ 70 or what? Israel has not been putting Palestinians in concentration camps, rounding them off and shooting them. I honestly think that the average facepuncher has a really low IQ if they think that Israel=Nazis. The Jewish people have been oppressed longer than ANY other people including black people and hated constantly being exiled from their land. Europe was TERRIBLE for the Jews and Jerusalem is mentioned over 500 times in the bible while its mentioned 0 times in the quran. Jews have always said they wanted to go back to Jerusalem. Palestine was never mentioned in the quran either. It even says in the quran to let the children of israel live in their land. They don't even follow their own religion. From being oppressed so much and missing their land they realized they would only be safe in their OWN land with their OWN majority. From a moral standpoint the creation of Israel was the right thing to do. There is absolutely no evidence that they have starved them or slaughtered them. Some civilians have died from Israel targeting militants who hide their weapons in Mosques and other public areas while hiding behind their own civllians, targeting Israeli civllians. This is a double war crime. The PA is basically a terrorist organization. They have an armed Fatah wing which targets Israeli citizens. They truly want to live in peace. I honestly don't understand why people feel so bad for the Palestinians. Their condition really isn't that bad and maybe THEY should change their approach and realize that violence isn't the answer after all Albert Einstein said that doing the same thing over and over was insanity. Maybe I would give them more sympathy if they didn't think it was right to use violence and suicide bombers against Israel and a lot of them would stop hating Jews in general. You can't complain that your living conditions are bad when it's your OWN fault from using violence. If anybody needs to change their behaviour it's the Arabs. If they keep using violence over and over again (Hamas, Fatah militant groups) it's just going to make Israel more resistant to give them more land. After all they already did land withdrawals and it didn't cut down on attacks at all. It actually increased them. So from the Israeli standpoint SECURITY is a must and they are rightfully concerned about it. Also you guys are really stupid if you think it's not a religious/ethnic conflict when it is. The PA media spews out anti-Jewish propaganda. They say things like Israel uses blood of the Palestinians. Yes there are some moderate Palestinians but I would argue that the majority of them are not.
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