Trump explains why he doesn't need daily briefings: “You know, I’m, like, a smart person”
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His twitter feed is all the briefing he needs anyway. :downs:
This has been pointed out to death by now, but are all the conservatives still hanging out in threads about [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=51511179]crazy liberals[/url] on the victory lap? Does nobody care to defend this and his cabinet picks, or at least concede "this might be a mistake"? Nobody can insulate their worldview for the next 4 years and solve anything.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51513021]He'll be too busy "making America great again"[/QUOTE]
Trump stated early in his campaign at some point that the president needs to be "a cheerleader for America", meaning Trump will be the face of the administration but not the one running it.
I think this was a long time coming, it's just that no one believed it would actually happen or didn't pay attention enough to see it.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;51513545]This has been pointed out to death by now, but are all the conservatives still hanging out in threads about [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=51511179"]crazy liberals[/URL] on the victory lap? Does nobody care to defend this and his cabinet picks, or at least concede "this might be a mistake"? Nobody can insulate their worldview for the next 4 years and solve anything.[/QUOTE]
but thats hard tho
also my god, I bet if an opportunity came up to resign, Trump will happily wind up taking it and leaving the presidency with Pence. He just doesn't seem to give a fuck. He still hasn't talked about the budget at all that he's supposed to be submitting.
for a smart person, trump can't see the writing on the wall? Pence and his cabinet of generals fucks up, its all on Trump.
[editline]11th December 2016[/editline]
[quote]I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day [B]for the next eight years[/B][/quote]
extremely optimistic there.
"Trump your job saving plan is killing jobs in the US"
"WRONG. I dont need to be told how good it is every day, thanks"
I need Tudd to tell me how to feel about this. I'm getting worried now!
TUDD, PLEASE RATIONALIZE THIS SO I DONT HAVE TO.
This is alarming. I can only hope he starts taking this part of his administration seriously when he takes office. Thankfully we still have the current, more level-headed president to tackle any short term situations that arise between now and then.
[editline]11th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheHydra;51513378]every day i wish that john kasich were trump's VP[/QUOTE]
I caucused for Kasich in my county and was practically laughed out of the room after the second round. It's depressing that he couldn't square up his buffoonish public persona with his actual political positions, some of which were frankly quite brilliant. He would've made a fine President.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51513785]This is alarming. I can only hope he starts taking this part of his administration seriously when he takes office. Thankfully we still have the current, more level-headed president to tackle any short term situations that arise between now and then.[/QUOTE]
Was this scenario one you thought we might encounter? How does Pence running the show sit with you considering the man was bought and paid for by the tobacco industry, and especially given that Pence prioritizes his social conservatism over everything else?
So isn't he basically then saying that every single other US president is dumb and not a "smart person" since they all had daily briefings? You heard it from Trump himself, he's the first US president that's smart.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51513824]Was this scenario one you thought we might encounter? How does Pence running the show sit with you considering the man was bought and paid for by the tobacco industry, and especially given that Pence prioritizes his social conservatism over everything else?[/QUOTE]
If you mean Trump being elected, I expected he was going to win from day one, but i didn't do anything for his campaign until after he won the nomination. I went to at least one rally of every candidate when I could and it was clear he played a very different game than the rest of the candidates. Very easy to see his mass appeal from the start.
I don't care much about social policy at the federal level, but I actually really like Mike Pence as a politician. He's certainly got a bright future ahead of him. I think the rumors of his usurping Trump behind the scenes are vastly overstated. If that's the case, at least I can be comfortable with his position on states' rights.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51513870]If you mean Trump being elected, I expected he was going to win from day one, but i didn't do anything for his campaign until after he won the nomination. I went to at least one rally of every candidate when I could and it was clear he played a very different game than the rest of the candidates. Very easy to see his mass appeal from the start.
I don't care much about social policy at the federal level, but I actually really like Mike Pence as a politician. He's certainly got a bright future ahead of him. I think the rumors of his usurping Trump behind the scenes are vastly overstated. If that's the case, at least I can be comfortable with his position on states' rights.[/QUOTE]
I was more asking about whether you thought Trump would act more as a figurehead and delegate power and control to those around him, as he appears to be doing now.
As far as liking Pence for his policies, are you comfortable with him knowing that he praises the Patriot Act, is a solid warhawk, wants a flat-tax, and praised the Citizen's United ruling? Which of Pence's policies do you actually like?
What kind of reasoning is that lmao. A smart brain without info is as useful as a gun without bullets. Good fucking lord why did people vote for this loon I literally cannot understand it.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51513971]He said there, state's rights.
I assume he is a single issue voter. Dont care if they ban same sex marriage in Alabama and bankrupt abortion havers in Texas as long as he has. IDK, what particular issue makes you want more state rights Chonch?[/QUOTE]
How much is that single issue really worth? [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1544774&p=51506605&viewfull=1#post51506605"]Chonch previously implied that he doesn't want to privatize Social Security[/URL], [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/picking-mike-pence-donald-trump-ideological-bind-480505?rx=us"]Pence does[/URL]. Sure, Trump may have promised not to touch SS on the campaign trail and he might veto the proposed Republican bill in the other thread, but I doubt Pence would. If Pence is the brains behind the scenes, Trump might very well go after SS, and medicaid, and LGBT rights, and alternative energy, and everything else we were told not to worry about with Pence being picked as Trump's VP.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51513785]
I caucused for Kasich in my county and was practically laughed out of the room after the second round. It's depressing that he couldn't square up his buffoonish public persona with his actual political positions, some of which were frankly quite brilliant. He would've made a fine President.[/QUOTE]
Kasich was the only GOP candidate I could ever see myself as comfortable with and in hindsight might have even voted for him over Clinton despite voting Sanders in the primary.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51513936]I was more asking about whether you thought Trump would act more as a figurehead and delegate power and control to those around him, as he appears to be doing now.[/quote]
No, and I have faith the administration will shape up in this regard as the inauguration nears. That's all I have to say on the subject.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51513936] As far as liking Pence for his policies, are you comfortable with him knowing that he praises the Patriot Act, is a solid warhawk, wants a flat-tax, and praised the Citizen's United ruling? Which of Pence's policies do you actually like?[/QUOTE]
I said I like him as a [I]politician[/I], not necessarily for his policies. He exudes a very no-nonsense, calm attitude that I find appealing. I appreciate the very hands-off approach he has taken in the past when it comes to economic legislation. A flat-tax could mean any number of different tax schema, but it could be very effective if reduced to a zero-deduction income-focused plan taken in a lump sum from the source (read: businesses rather than individuals). I think the patriot act has some very useful provisions in regards to the tracking of financial industry data, but again it's a very wide collection of both good and bad ideas that's hard to take a definitive stance on. I'm going to need you to be more specific on the "warhawk" subject, though at this point we're wildly off topic. We can discuss this over PMs if you'd like.
I don't think any discussion about what President Pence wants is off topic
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51514007]It's almost like he played America for fools and offered ridiculous goals with no plan along with fear mongering.
My fucking eight year old cousin could see through his bullshit, but most Americans didn't. Good. Fucking. Job.
A nation that could see through Clinton, but not Trump. Is this even real.[/QUOTE]
He didn't play America for fools. He didn't [I]play[/I] anyone. We [I]are[/I] fools. We're fucking dumbasses and the rest of the world is actually realizing "holy shit America might actually be retarded."
I know I'm being a bit of a cunt chiming in here from across the globe but hey, megaphones and morons...
[editline]12th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51514085]He didn't play America for fools. He didn't [I]play[/I] anyone. We [I]are[/I] fools. We're fucking dumbasses and the rest of the world is actually realizing "holy shit America might actually be retarded."[/QUOTE]
We already knew this, it was just a matter of how long before America realised it.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51514073]Kasich was the only GOP candidate I could ever see myself as comfortable with and in hindsight might have even voted for him over Clinton despite voting Sanders in the primary.[/QUOTE]
I laughed at Kasich when he said he hadn't been paying attention to the news during the primaries and was just watching golf instead. Trump jumped on Kasich for it too:
[video=youtube;xkExoeqk5TI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkExoeqk5TI[/video]
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51514085]He didn't play America for fools. He didn't [I]play[/I] anyone. We [I]are[/I] fools. We're fucking dumbasses and the rest of the world is actually realizing "holy shit America might actually be retarded."[/QUOTE]
The biggest fool is Clinton. It was her race to lose and she just felt like not campaigning in states Obama turned blue.
So let's assume that Trump really is going to leave all the actual decision-making to his putative subordinates, and focus on PR stunts and cheerleading, as he is giving every indication of doing.
Has that ever happened in a modern democracy? I know there was talk about Cheney running things from behind the scenes, but W. Bush still did things as President. And there are lots of democratic systems with a split between the President and the Prime Minister (or Chancellor, or whatever), where one handles mostly foreign interactions and the other handles internal politics and issues. But has there ever been a case where the nominal leader just didn't lead?
I can't think of any in a democracy, but I can think of plenty of monarchs or emperors that fit that bill, whether formalized as regencies or not. In recent history, they are often the end of the monarchy (see: Bismarck essentially ruling for King Wilhelm); in deeper history, they are still a sign of a struggling government (see: the late Roman Empire). The more such rulers you have, the more likely the end of your nation is.
That is certainly a troubling comparison. It isn't proof or even strong evidence of anything, but it's certainly a historical correlation with Bad Times.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;51513378]every day i wish that john kasich were trump's VP[/QUOTE]
More like I wish he was the the actual president
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51514082]I don't think any discussion about what President Pence wants is off topic[/QUOTE]
Mike Pence is not the President. He is still very much subservient to Trump's will, and it's been shown they disagree on several issues already. I think this entire narrative that Pence, a literal who up until his nomination, has more control over the direction of this burgeoning administration than the President-elect is dubious at best. Our interpretation of what's going on behind the scenes is no more trustworthy than the media outlets that report it to us--most of whom have already been shown to have developed a clear agenda against Donald Trump from the beginning.
If Trump ends up resigning or impeached than Pence really did pull a fucking Frank Underwood.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51514149]Mike Pence is not the President. He is still very much subservient to Trump's will, and it's been shown they disagree on several issues already. I think this entire narrative that Pence, a literal who up until his nomination, has more control over the direction of this burgeoning administration than the President-elect is dubious at best. Our interpretation of what's going on behind the scenes is no more trustworthy than the media outlets that report it to us--most of whom have already been shown to have developed a clear agenda against Donald Trump from the beginning.[/QUOTE]
we'll see
after he offered Kasich what he did, I'm skeptical to trust the man is actually making the calls
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51514155]If Trump ends up resigning or impeached than Pence really did pull a fucking Frank Underwood.[/QUOTE]
Went too far with that comparison, Frank underwood isn't nearly as evil as Pence
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51514159]we'll see
after he offered Kasich what he did, I'm skeptical to trust the man is actually making the calls[/QUOTE]
I found that report to be incredibly frightening as well, but I'm saying that's the only evidence I've seen to support the idea. I'm very much prepared to eat my words if this turns out like you predict. I will literally print out and eat that post if Pence winds up taking the wheel of this presidency--you can toxx me on that.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51514161]Went too far with that comparison, Frank underwood isn't nearly as evil as Pence[/QUOTE]
Frank Underwood [sp]blackmailed and murdered a man to further his political ambition[/sp] and Pence policies caused a AIDS epidemic iirc and funded gay conversion therapy, I'd say they're about the same.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51514176]I found that report to be incredibly frightening as well, but I'm saying that's the only evidence I've seen to support the idea. I'm very much prepared to eat my words if this turns out like you predict. I will literally print out and eat that post if Pence winds up taking the wheel of this presidency--you can toxx me on that.[/QUOTE]
I don't need you to do that honestly, I don't believe you argue in bad faith.
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