June 7 Primaries - "Clinton has applied Bern cream" edition - Polidicks

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50476041]wouldn't it be best for some sanders to go 3rd party?[/QUOTE] A good number of them already are, myself most likely included as well.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;50476017]Yeah they're so right that they reach the end of the universe into a realm of insanity[/QUOTE] /pol/ has the majority worldwide stock of meme magic the more you meme, the more it comes true. one time /tv/ invaded their meme magic stock and baneposting started popping up irl

Bernie is here live [video=youtube;R004geOm0L8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R004geOm0L8[/video]

[QUOTE=Reshy;50475801]Oh of course that would happen, really convenient isn't it? Huh? Huh?[/QUOTE] Californian here: from my experience talking to people, most people don't understand the system here i've had to explain to people over and over that there are different ballots for various parties and that Dem primaries are open but not to Republicans, etc if it's not voter error, it's probably bureaucratic error (just like how my name is misspelled in my voter registration) [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] The insidious thing about Clinton's campaign style is that she has not done anything illegal. Conspiracy time: it's possible that she planned to reveal her super delegate count to get her the nomination the night before California to depress voter turnout so that she could end the primary winning. I don't actually believe that happened, but it's something she would do rather than risk everything by suppressing votes

BERNIE IS STILL IN IT AAAA

Well fought, Bernie. It would take a deus ex machina for him to somehow win at this point, so now it's time for me to decide if I want to vote for the lesser of two evils or a third party candidate.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50476073]Bernie is here live [video=youtube;R004geOm0L8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R004geOm0L8[/video][/QUOTE] Some of the stuff he says sounds [I]similar[/I] to what Maduro would say... I don't like that. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] Never seen one of his speeches before.

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;50476106]Well fought, Bernie. It would take a deus ex machina for him to somehow win at this point, so now it's time for me to decide if I want to vote for the lesser of two evils or a third party candidate.[/QUOTE] do 3rd party since both are shit

god, the boos for Hillary during Bernie's speech were deafening i don't even think i have that much energy in my dislike of trump

Say what you will about Bernie but at least he has good taste in music.

Holy shit Sanders got slaughtered lol I'm really disappointed but I really think this election cycle has been a great success for all involved. Although I REALLY hate trump I'm super glad the Republican party is shitting themselves over this monster that they created. And while Bernie didn't win the nomination at the end, he brought a whole new generation into the political process, got people energized and interested in the issues that they care about, brought issues that were previously pushed under the rug into the spotlight, and proudly and proficiently made being a socialist something that isn't taboo anymore. Clinton cannot ignore the will of Sanders and his supporters if she wants to defeat Trump and win the presidency, so I can only hope that Sanders' fight bears some fruit for his supporters.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50475999]Disagreed, Clinton needs his 11 million votes or else she'll lose to Trump. Remember, you've got a good percentage of Sanders fans pledging to vote trump or 3rd party in november, and if that happens then the GOP scores If Clinton does not work with him, she could fail[/QUOTE] "good" percentage, as in < 30%

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;50476106]Well fought, Bernie. It would take a deus ex machina for him to somehow win at this point, so now it's time for me to decide if I want to vote for the lesser of two evils or a third party candidate.[/QUOTE] If you don't agree with either major party candidate then look into a third party they're there for that exact reason. People shouldn't limit themselves to the lesser of two or three evils they should vote for who they believe will do the best job of running the country.

it is so weird living in a state where bernie sanders is the status quo yet seeing hillary move on to be our candidate the United States are so imaginary

[QUOTE=Sableye;50476129]"good" percentage, as in < 30%[/QUOTE] How is that not significant? Just because it isn't a majority doesn't mean it can't possibly have a very real impact on the election. I have to say, I am starting to regret that Sanders isn't doing more to make sure his supporters back Clinton in the general. He just doesn't really have much to gain at this point. It's nice that he's standing by his message, but the looming threat of Trump taking control of the White House is all too real. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] I don't really know what I'd have him do, but I am worried.

[QUOTE=Katska;50476200]How is that not significant? Just because it isn't a majority doesn't mean it can't possibly have a very real impact on the election. I have to say, I am starting to regret that Sanders isn't doing more to make sure his supporters back Clinton in the general. He just doesn't really have much to gain at this point. It's nice that he's standing by his message, but the looming threat of Trump taking control of the White House is all too real. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] I don't really know what I'd have him do, but I am worried.[/QUOTE] you're saying that <30% in a [I]poll[/I] which already probably has +/- 5%, 5 months out from the actual election, and before the party convention where the platform will be announced, is even relevant? if they come out with a pro-business, pro-TPP, pro-status quo centrist platform that clinton really wants, then yes you'll see bernie supporters jumping ship or not voting, but its way too early for that, there is still plenty of time to build bridges between bernie's policies and clinton's policies now if you're voting purely on character, then you're just out of luck this election anyways

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;50475986]Wow, really thought Sanders would be doing a bit better than this in California. He got wrecked.[/QUOTE] Only Cody thought he had a chance. He was predicted to lose by 15%+ by any credible prediction, and did.

The amount of people I've seen here and on Reddit supporting Sanders, who said they would just not vote for Clinton at the general is definitely not insignificant. Ironically, Sanders refusing to drop out will just strengthen Trump at the general elections.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50476218]you're saying that <30% in a [I]poll[/I] which already probably has +/- 5%, 5 months out from the actual election, and before the party convention where the platform will be announced, is even relevant?[/QUOTE] Yeah. It might not be totally accurate, or the same in the future, but it's still cause for alarm. Something to consider. If there's other, more recent polls with less concerning results, then that's cool, but I'm not really aware of any.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50476105]BERNIE IS STILL IN IT AAAA[/QUOTE] So it's come to this. He's a damn hypocrite. So much for being a grassroots movement; a movement of the people fighting against the big end of town. He's hoping that the wealthy elite of the Democrat party, the superdelegates, will vote against the democratic will of the people by voting for him instead of Clinton. The longer that he takes to drop out, the harsher that history will remember him.

[QUOTE=sb27;50476314]So it's come to this. He's a damn hypocrite. So much for being a grassroots movement; a movement of the people fighting against the big end of town. He's hoping that the wealthy elite of the Democrat party, the superdelegates, will vote against the democratic will of the people by voting for him instead of Clinton. The longer that he takes to drop out, the harsher that history will remember him.[/QUOTE] You've got a very [I]interesting[/I] way of seeing the world, amigo. Hey, here's another one for the OP. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50476236]The amount of people I've seen here and on Reddit supporting Sanders, who said they would just not vote for Clinton at the general is definitely not insignificant. Ironically, Sanders refusing to drop out will just strengthen Trump at the general elections.[/QUOTE] Wait, how does that make sense? Bernie will not be running in the general elections because the DNC will make Hillary their nominee. You know this isn't the presidential race yet, right? Just the race for party nominations?

Wait, is he not dropping out? I will disown him and denounce my support for Bernie Sanders if he is running third party.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50476350]Wait, is he not dropping out? I will disown him and denounce my support for Bernie Sanders if he is running third party.[/QUOTE] He has never said he'll be running third party. He's smarter than that. He says he's still in the running for the Democratic nomination, because he feels he owes it to his supporters to keep fighting to the end. He knows he's lost, but he'll have been able to say he didn't give up early.

He's not running third party, he's just not dropping out of the primary race. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] Damn.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50476343]You've got a very [I]interesting[/I] way of seeing the world, amigo. Hey, here's another one for the OP.[/QUOTE] It's not an 'interesting' view. It's a realist view. It's a common-sense view. It's a view shared by political commentators eg: [quote=Nick O'Malley]It is inconceivable that Sanders can convince enough superdelegates to change their support. In fact, it's a strategy bound not only to fail, but also on bound by hypocrisy. Sanders would be demanding that the party overrides the will of its voters, as expressed in the primaries The superdelegates owe Sanders – who is not even a Democrat – no allegiance, and reflecting the view of the party establishment, most believe Clinton to be the better candidate. A majority of Democratic voters agree. On that most basic of measures Clinton has beaten him 55 per cent to 43 per cent, securing more than 3 million more votes than Sanders in primaries and caucuses so far. You would think that might give the Sanders camp pause.[/quote] [url]http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-bernie-sanders-must-end-his-campaign-now-while-hes-still-a-force-for-good-20160607-gpdexl.html#ixzz4AyEhrv2Q[/url]

[QUOTE=archangel125;50476364]He has never said he'll be running third party. He's smarter than that. He says he's still in the running for the Democratic nomination, because he feels he owes it to his supporters to keep fighting to the end. He knows he's lost, but he'll have been able to say he didn't give up early.[/QUOTE] ok some of the posts here scared me

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50476378]ok some of the posts here scared me[/QUOTE] Just sensationalist squawking. I've got to say, though... some of the Bernie supporters in this thread still seem convinced he'll turn things around. The show's over, folks. It's curtains. That little sliver of hope you have? Think about how reality has worked out so far on small hopes, and you'll get a pretty good idea of how it'll work this time. Even Bernie's only in the race now to vindicate his supporters - and to give him a good chance of securing their support in the future. He's a smart man and deep down he knows it's over. Stick with your man until the Democrats nominate Hillary, and then decide for yourself, after reading both their policies, which candidate is the lesser evil. And for the record, I had high hopes for Sanders, too.

time to support the indies. I refuse to feel guilty for voting for either candidate that's no doubt going to cause harm to my country.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50476350]Wait, is he not dropping out? I will disown him and denounce my support for Bernie Sanders if he is running third party.[/QUOTE] He's said before that he'd never run third party because doing so would ensure that Trump wins. He'd rather have Hillary in office.

[QUOTE=sb27;50476376]It's not an 'interesting' view. It's a realist view. It's a common-sense view. It's a view shared by political commentators eg: [url]http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-bernie-sanders-must-end-his-campaign-now-while-hes-still-a-force-for-good-20160607-gpdexl.html#ixzz4AyEhrv2Q[/url][/QUOTE] Hardly. It's only a common-sense view if you assume that the man honestly believes he still has a chance to win, and he's too smart for that. What *is* common sense is that he's doing it just to keep his supporters happy. They wouldn't want him to throw in the towel until it was well and truly over. This way, he gets a chance to have the same sort of support if ever he runs again. Also, 'political commentators' are pundits. They're just people with an opinion, except they tend to be more well-spoken and popular than other people out there. They're not experts on anything.