Not sure if this is the right section but here we go.
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The source: [url]http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9007279596[/url]
They are out of there minds.
I like how it says navy, but it's only small patrol boats..
oh god we're all doomed
Navies the size of ours could reach out to every corner of the globe, there's no denying that.
But Iran's? Ha, they'll only be able to reach outside of the Arabian gulf.
I'll prepare my laser pointers
Didn't most of the Iranian navy get wipped out by the US navy in that one opperation?
[QUOTE=codemaster85;33981917]Didn't most of the Iranian navy get wipped out by the US navy in that one opperation?[/QUOTE]
Operation Praying Mantis
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[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis[/URL]
[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;33982515]Operation Praying Mantis
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[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis[/URL][/QUOTE]
You guys have got to understand that the Iranian Navy/IRGCNF are far beyond what they were back then.
I don't think Praying Mantis was justified, just some war raging general decided full scale naval warfare was just retaliation for a little damage.
Well then build more ships
Operation Praying Mantis only took out one Corvette, the Sahand.
1 frigate sunk (45 crew killed[1])
1 gunboat sunk (11 crew killed[1])
3 speedboats sunk
I cannot find understanding to how this is a large portion of their Navy.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTIoezhRS3g[/media] Better watchout guys, don't want these things attacking a Naval destroyer.
[QUOTE=2012;33982990]Operation Praying Mantis only took out one Corvette, the Sahand.
1 frigate sunk (45 crew killed[1])
1 gunboat sunk (11 crew killed[1])
3 speedboats sunk
I cannot find understanding to how this is a large portion of their Navy.[/QUOTE]
That's because they didn't have any portions to begin with!
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Well, I suspect nothing will really come of this. Our ships will simply warn their ships to not come close to them, while they do the same.
Its a shame that they are ruled by a bunch of nutters.
[QUOTE=2012;33982990]Operation Praying Mantis only took out one Corvette, the Sahand.
1 frigate sunk (45 crew killed[1])
1 gunboat sunk (11 crew killed[1])
3 speedboats sunk
I cannot find understanding to how this is a large portion of their Navy.[/QUOTE]
Considering how small and fragile their navy was at the time, that was a significant portion. They'd lost a lot of vessels during the Iran-Iraq War (both countries had, TBF). Moreover, it was significant with regards the sheer amount of valuable resources and military materials they lost (again, in conjunction with their losses during the Iran-Iraq War).
I mean, the IIS [i]Sahand[/i] was a Vosper Mark V frigate that Iran had gotten under the Shah from the British. Very good vessels, despite their age.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Iranian_Alvand_class_frigat.JPEG/640px-Iranian_Alvand_class_frigat.JPEG[/img]
And the IIS [i]Joshan[/i] was a La Combattante IIa fast attack missile boat, a variant of the original Type 148 Tiger- designed and built for the German Navy by Lürssen Werft (pic below is of a Greek one).
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/20080702-Faliron-P73-Pezopoulos_%28cropped%29.jpg[/img]
The movie tag reminded me of that silly upcoming alien movie Battleship. This is what it should've been based off instead.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33983580]Considering how small and fragile their navy was at the time, that was a significant portion. They'd lost a lot of vessels during the Iran-Iraq War (both countries had, TBF). Moreover, it was significant with regards the sheer amount of valuable resources and military materials they lost (again, in conjunction with their losses during the Iran-Iraq War).
I mean, the IIS [i]Sahand[/i] was a Vosper Mark V frigate that Iran had gotten under the Shah from the British. Very good vessels, despite their age.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Iranian_Alvand_class_frigat.JPEG/640px-Iranian_Alvand_class_frigat.JPEG[/img]
And the IIS [i]Joshan[/i] was a La Combattante IIa fast attack missile boat, a variant of the original Type 148 Tiger- designed and built for the German Navy by Lürssen Werft (pic below is of a Greek one).
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/20080702-Faliron-P73-Pezopoulos_%28cropped%29.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yes but compared to their force today, it is a smaller portion.
I personally think Iran could seize and hold the straight of hormuz against the US for a period of time, Iran has alot of fortifications and ~34Km wide straight is not hard to fire upon with land based anti ship missiles.
Why is Iran so dumb. Do they not comprehend that the US could just crush them and shit on their corpse of a navy?
You guys seem to keep forgetting about the fact we have aircraft capable of taking out land-based defense systems. We could even use long-range missile systems to destroy the same.
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That's not even taking into account cruise missiles.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;33984056]You guys seem to keep forgetting about the fact we have aircraft capable of taking out land-based defense systems. We could even use long-range missile systems to destroy the same.
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That's not even taking into account cruise missiles.[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting the enemy has weapons, you a nationalist america wins it all kinda guy?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;33983124]Well, I suspect nothing will really come of this. Our ships will simply warn their ships to not come close to them, while they do the same.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I'm hoping for, and surely, nothing even moderately bad will come out of this.
[QUOTE=2012;33983950]Yes but compared to their force today, it is a smaller portion.
I personally think Iran could seize and hold the straight of hormuz against the US for a period of time, Iran has alot of fortifications and ~34Km wide straight is not hard to fire upon with land based anti ship missiles.[/QUOTE]
The thing is though, the radar detection perimeter of a naval carrier group is well beyond 34km. If they so much as launch a missile it'll be lighting up the radar the moment it leaves the ground. Then that missile has to cruise to the fleet, which would be tracked every inch it takes. Then it has to get past the arrays of rolling airframe missiles (which have a hit rate of over 95%(the other 5% is just for margin of error)), and if it manages that it has to get past the arrays of CWIS Gatling guns. Which we used in Iraq to shoot down mortar grenades. Which was quite effective.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILcVt9p7cug[/media]
Each ship has at least one of these, with some having two. They are all linked under one computer system and fire automatically at any threat in range.
After they fend off an attack, they would scramble the battle-tested F/A-18 pilots and systematically destroy the missile launchers. Worst case scenario we take a missile hit on one of our ships or loose a fighter jet.
[QUOTE=2012;33984093]You're forgetting the enemy has weapons, you a nationalist america wins it all kinda guy?[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not, but you seem to be the sort of person that doesn't take into account tactical, numerical and technological advantages into account.
Iran is using [B]seriously[/B] dated weapons technology reaching back to the cold-war days. I mean, look at what happened in Libya. One aircraft downed in the entire campaign, and that was due to human error. Libya had more SAM/Anti-air weapons than any other little dictatorship on the block, and the NATO pact got out without a scratch.
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I mean, they launched, what, over 150 cruise-missiles?
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[QUOTE=OvB;33984152]The thing is though, the radar detection primitive of a naval carrier group is well beyond 34km. If they so much as launch a missile it'll be lighting up the radar the moment it leaves the ground. Then that missile has to cruise to the fleet, which would be tracked every inch it takes. Then it has to get past the arrays of rolling airframe missiles, and if it manages that it has to get past the arrays of CWIS Gatling guns. Which we used in Iraq to shoot down mortar grenades. Which was quite effective.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILcVt9p7cug[/media]
Each ship has at least one of these, with some having two. They are all linked under one computer system and fire automatically at any threat in range.[/QUOTE]
Jesus, we have systems to shoot down mortars? The accuracy of something like that, to be able to shoot down a projectile that small and fast must be incredible.
Okay but what would the ship do if ~50 Noor or larger class anti ship missiles come tumbling towards a US ship.
Iran are rumored to have S-300's by the way.
I'm not saying Iran would win, they would not. But they would be able to take control for some time and are capable of taking down US ships. Just trying to say US is not invulnerable as so many people act in this thread.
[QUOTE=2012;33984093]You're forgetting the enemy has weapons, you a nationalist america wins it all kinda guy?[/QUOTE]
You also seem to forget that Iran has a dated military, ontop of that, when the US goes to war, NATO follows the US. Iran will have to deal with several Air forces, navies, and ground armies, which we all know that they can't, and they probably wouldn't be able to hold off the US alone. Call me a Nationalist, but the US has a very powerful army, and can crush any outdated military that the Middle east can throw at it.
To be honest, just whenever they patrol out into International waters, we should send one Nimitz class carrier to tag along. Just one. I'd love to see the reaction from the Iranian's over it, because it alone would have the power to destroy all of them if you count it's numerous aircraft and munitions.
[QUOTE=2012;33984192]Okay but what would the ship do if ~50 Noor or larger class anti ship missiles come tumbling towards a US ship.
Iran are rumored to have S-300's by the way.[/QUOTE]
The Navy has very very advanced missile defense systems, we use missiles to fight missiles at any range, and if all else fails we have miniguns with incredible rates of fire to shoot down the missiles.
like that video OVB posted, if they can hit a mortar, a tiny lil'ol' projectile, then they can hit a ship-killer missile or rocket.
[QUOTE=2012;33984192]Okay but what would the ship do if ~50 Noor or larger class anti ship missiles come tumbling towards a US ship.
Iran are rumored to have S-300's by the way.
I'm not saying Iran would win, they would not. But they would be able to take control for some time and are capable of taking down US ships. Just trying to say US is not invulnerable as so many people act in this thread.[/QUOTE]
RAM systems have been tested against supersonic and sea-skimming missiles and still retain their near 100% hit rate. We basically tested them by firing real missiles at ourselves and seeing what happened. They work good.
If [del]Iran[/del] anyone can land a hit on one of our ships I will be thoroughly impressed.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33984248]You also seem to forget that Iran has a dated military, ontop of that, when the US goes to war, NATO follows the US. Iran will have to deal with several Air forces, navies, and ground armies, which we all know that they can't, and they probably wouldn't be able to hold off the US alone. Call me a Nationalist, but the US has a very powerful army, and can crush any outdated military that the Middle east can throw at it.[/QUOTE]
Unless they have some secret duck tape nuke under the supreme leaders desk, if they did U.S. carrier group would be worthless.
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