• Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI
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[QUOTE=Mexican;21292823]Since you've been spending the whole time bashing theists and acting like you're this super logical critical thinker, I'll just say it: agnostic is the most logical, because they don't know, and they don't care.[/QUOTE] Hey somebody doesn't know what agnostic means yet that's what they call themselves they're awesome!!!
Oh boy, time for the definitions war again. I'm implying "apathetic agnostic"
[QUOTE=Performual;21292958]Yes, try to disprove it.[/QUOTE] How could one possibly disprove a negative?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293009]How could one possibly disprove a negative?[/QUOTE] How is a unicorn a negative?
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293024]How is a unicorn a negative?[/QUOTE] Uh, yeah. The ABSENCE of unicorns is a negative. Wait I thought this was a thread on religion.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293024]How is a unicorn a negative?[/QUOTE] Positive = Unicorns exist Negative = Unicorns don't exist It is impossible to disprove a negative without being omniscient.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21292823]Since you've been spending the whole time bashing theists and acting like you're this super logical critical thinker, I'll just say it: agnostic is the most logical, because they don't know, and they don't care.[/QUOTE] No, no, just fucking no you idiot. Agnostics believe they can never know the answer. Atheists don't BELIEVE in a god because there is no evidence of it. Nothing else. Agnostics think the question can't be answered. It can be, and it's easy enough to do logically. God, you are the example as to why moderates are bad.
[img]http://itodyaso.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/pope1.jpg[/img] He is [i]always[/i] watching..
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293079]Positive = Unicorns exist Negative = Unicorns don't exist It is impossible to disprove a negative without being omniscient.[/QUOTE] We're asking you to [I]prove[/I] the negative. Prove unicorns don't exist. You can't. For all we know unicorns exist. And yet it doesn't matter at all whether or not there's a unicorn.
You go, Dawkins. Put those fuckers in their place.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293127]We're asking you to [I]prove[/I] the negative. Prove unicorns don't exist. You can't. For all we know unicorns exist. And yet it doesn't matter at all whether or not there's a unicorn.[/QUOTE] Actually, for all we know, unicorns [i]don't[/i] exist. It's safe to assume that until there is evidence showing the existence of some being, it doesn't exist.
Burden of proof is on the theists/people who believe in unicorns.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293079]Positive = Unicorns exist Negative = Unicorns don't exist It is impossible to disprove a negative without being omniscient.[/QUOTE] Flying Spaghetti Monster and Russel's Teapot all over again. No one in their right mind thinks "I can't prove they don't exist. Therefore, they must exist".
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293127]We're asking you to [I]prove[/I] the negative. Prove unicorns don't exist. You can't. For all we know unicorns exist. And yet it doesn't matter at all whether or not there's a unicorn.[/QUOTE] Alright, however, how could you prove a negative? You would have to be omniscient. The burden of proof lies on the person who is claiming that unicorns exist.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293102]No, no, just fucking no you idiot. Agnostics believe they can never know the answer. Atheists don't BELIEVE in a god because there is no evidence of it. Nothing else. Agnostics think the question can't be answered. It can be, and it's easy enough to do logically. God, you are the example as to why moderates are bad.[/QUOTE] I could pull out like ten dictionary definitions like I always do bu you lot are always whining that they're wrong somehow.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293127]We're asking you to [I]prove[/I] the negative. Prove unicorns don't exist. You can't. For all we know unicorns exist. And yet it doesn't matter at all whether or not there's a unicorn.[/QUOTE] ...Wow, I think you just managed to make me actually angry with the stupidest comment I've ever heard. Yes, you can't disprove somethings existence. But the burden of proof rests on the person asserting it exists, not the other way around. It doesn't work like that. And yes, it really does matter. [editline]01:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mexican;21293193]I could pull out like ten dictionary definitions like I always do bu you lot are always whining that they're wrong somehow.[/QUOTE] Has nothing to do with that, it has entirely to do with the fact you just plainly don't understand the definitions.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293188]Alright, however, how could you prove a negative? You would have to be omniscient. The burden of proof lies on the person who is claiming that unicorns exist.[/QUOTE] And yet claiming unicorns don't exist is just as much of a leap of faith.
Haha. Richard Dawkins is going to start a holy war.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293217]And yet claiming unicorns don't exist is just as much of a leap of faith.[/QUOTE] Actually it isn't, because there is no evidence for their existence, therefore it's only logical conclude they don't exist.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293217]And yet claiming unicorns don't exist is just as much of a leap of faith.[/QUOTE] Faith. You tool, faith. It's ILLOGICAL. Not a faith jump. It's reasonable to assert that they COULD exist, not that they DO. And when it comes to a god that created everything, and is omniscient and interferes with out daily lives it's impossible to assert logically that he exists with NO evidence of him.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293231]Actually it isn't, because there is no evidence for their existence, therefore it's only logical conclude they don't exist.[/QUOTE] You have no evidence that I'm holding a cup right now, that doesn't mean you assume I'm not holding a cup, you just accept that you don't know and it's irrelevant. Hell, by that train of thought, you have no proof anything is real, therefore your mind is all that exists.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293295]You have no evidence that I'm holding a cup right now, that doesn't mean you assume I'm not holding a cup, you just accept that you don't know and it's irrelevant. Hell, by that train of thought, [b]you have no proof anything is real[/b], therefore your mind is all that exists.[/QUOTE] No shit sherlock. It's impossible to prove anything 100%.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293341]No shit sherlock. It's impossible to prove anything 100%.[/QUOTE] Then quit parading your belief that there is no god as "the only logical one, all of you are sheep"
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293295]You have no evidence that I'm holding a cup right now, that doesn't mean you assume I'm not holding a cup, you just accept that you don't know and it's irrelevant. Hell, by that train of thought, you have no proof anything is real, therefore your mind is all that exists.[/QUOTE] ...You are the example of idiocy. You're arguing concepts which you are clearly showing you barely have a grasp of.
Also, I'm pretty sure you holding a cup would be relevant if it actually started affecting people's lives, like oh say, a belief/disbelief god does?
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293363]Then quit parading your belief that there is no god as "the only logical one, all of you are sheep"[/QUOTE] ... God damnit. It's impossible to prove anything 100% except for your own doubt of existence of things. This is a Descartes revolution, nothing impressive anymore because it's an ignored concept in the greater scheme of arguments because it can't be beaten, and it means "Why the fuck should we talk about anything at all because it's all meaningless." go be an apathetic idiot elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293382]Also, I'm pretty sure you holding a cup would be relevant if it actually started affecting people's lives, like oh say, a belief/disbelief god does?[/QUOTE] That's the concept of acting based on your belief of whether I have a cup or not, not the fact that some people believe I have a cup. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293415]... God damnit. It's impossible to prove anything 100% except for your own doubt of existence of things. This is a Descartes revolution, nothing impressive anymore because it's an ignored concept in the greater scheme of arguments because it can't be beaten, and it means "Why the fuck should we talk about anything at all because it's all meaningless." go be an apathetic idiot elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Go force your beliefs while simultaneously complaining about people forcing beliefs elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293363]Then quit parading your belief that there is no god as "the only logical one, all of you are sheep"[/QUOTE] I never claimed to know that there isn't a god. However, it's only logical to believe there isn't one, because there is no evidence for his existence.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293295]You have no evidence that I'm holding a cup right now, that doesn't mean you assume I'm not holding a cup, you just accept that you don't know and it's irrelevant. Hell, by that train of thought, you have no proof anything is real, therefore your mind is all that exists.[/QUOTE] You have no evidence that I'm not a 8000 km tall squid with a jizzillion arms, therefore you shouldn't assume I'm not.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293417]That's the concept of acting based on your belief of whether I have a cup or not, not the fact that some people believe I have a cup. Go force your beliefs while simultaneously complaining about people forcing beliefs elsewhere.[/QUOTE] His beliefs are logical, and can be clearly explained. Yours on the other hand are illogical.
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