• Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI
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[QUOTE=sp00ks;21293458]You have no evidence that I'm not a 8000 km tall squid with a jizzillion arms, therefore you shouldn't assume I'm not.[/QUOTE] Nope, and I'm not going to assume you're not. But I don't care if you are.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293417]That's the concept of acting based on your belief of whether I have a cup or not, not the fact that some people believe I have a cup. Go force your beliefs while simultaneously complaining about people forcing beliefs elsewhere.[/QUOTE] I'm not forcing my beliefs down anyones throat. Saying things are illogical is not shoving it down your throat. You can take it like that way, but it isn't. You saying no argument matters because in the end, your the only one that can be right because you're an apathetic agnostic unsure of the existence of anything brings the point of, Why the fuck are you talking?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293476]His beliefs are logical, and can be clearly explained. Yours on the other hand are illogical.[/QUOTE] nu uh ur illogical >:(
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293481]Nope, and I'm not going to assume you're not. But I don't care if you are.[/QUOTE] and hence the problem. If that was the case, that would be an incredibly important thing, but it "doesn't matter"? Why are you arguing if your apathetic? Apathy is the worst position to take in an argument.
[QUOTE=Archy;21288661]show me the verses you got that from[/QUOTE] I don't know if this has been resolved or dropped (I didn't read past page 6), but even I know where he got the first one from, and I've never so much as picked up a Bible before. It's the first commandment: [quote]"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. . . . I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me"[/quote] At any rate, I don't really know what to say in regards to Dawkins' plan. I think I'm just gonna wait it out and see what happens.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293485]Why the fuck are you talking?[/QUOTE] Because I'm tired of 13 year old atheists who don't understand logic pretending they do and constantly calling every theist an idiot.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293498]nu uh ur illogical >:([/QUOTE] You're acting like a child who can't get his way when he realizes that logically, his beliefs aren't based on anything. HURRR
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293498]nu uh ur illogical >:([/QUOTE] On the contrary, you don't have a grasp of what logic and reasoning is, so you can't clearly make a judgement of what is logical and illogical. This is evidenced by your belief in god for one.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293531]Because I'm a13 year old apathetic agnostic who doesn't understand logic pretending they do and constantly calling everyone an idiot.[/QUOTE] Fixed.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293514]and hence the problem. If that was the case, that would be an incredibly important thing, but it "doesn't matter"? Why are you arguing if your apathetic? Apathy is the worst position to take in an argument.[/QUOTE] Because I'm apathetic until something actually has relevance. Apathy is the best position because it prevents us from wasting time on trivial meaningless bullshit. Unless you'd like every major issue to be clouded by retards arguing whether or not there are space frogs. [editline]03:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293556]Fixed.[/QUOTE] You didn't even change all the grammar right genius. [editline]03:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293541]You're acting like a child who can't get his way when he realizes that logically, his beliefs aren't based on anything. HURRR[/QUOTE] Yeah sarcastically and in a mocking tone.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293573]Because I'm apathetic until something actually has relevance. Apathy is the best position because it prevents us from wasting time on trivial meaningless bullshit. Unless you'd like every major issue to be clouded by retards arguing whether or not there are space frogs. [editline]03:36PM[/editline] You didn't even change all the grammar right genius.[/QUOTE] No one is wasting time on trivial matters but you. Saying god doesn't exist because there's no logical evidence of him isn't trivial. And no I didn't, cause, I'm apathetic to you being so entirely useless as a debater.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293573]Because I'm apathetic until something actually has relevance. Apathy is the best position because it prevents us from wasting time on trivial meaningless bullshit. Unless you'd like every major issue to be clouded by retards arguing whether or not there are space frogs.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly believe that the question of god's existence is completely irrelevant? Despite the fact that people use god to justify things like the pope's immunity, suicide bombing and others. So since it affects all those things, wouldn't you say it would make sense to reach a conclusion on the matter?
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293295]You have no evidence that I'm holding a cup right now, that doesn't mean you assume I'm not holding a cup, you just accept that you don't know and it's irrelevant. [b]Hell, by that train of thought, you have no proof anything is real, therefore your mind is all that exists.[/b][/QUOTE] If you take out the belief that the mind exists, you got yourself some Nihilism. Nothing exists. :smug:
For the amount of time atheists spend complaining about Christians forcing their beliefs on others, we certainly spend a lot of time forcing our beliefs on others.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21293638]For the amount of time atheists spend complaining about Christians forcing their beliefs on others, we certainly spend a lot of time forcing our beliefs on others.[/QUOTE] I know. I need to dig up my old "Antitheist Hypocrisy" avatar; it addressed that directly. :v:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293614]No one is wasting time on trivial matters but you. Saying god doesn't exist because there's no logical evidence of him isn't trivial. [/QUOTE] That's exactly what it is because the species does not need to make any important decisions based on our conclusion of whether or not god exists. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293614]And no I didn't, cause, I'm apathetic to you being so entirely useless as a debater.[/QUOTE] Useless as a debater would be someone debating about something useless. Like you.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292387]So allowing people to have their own faiths, which help them get through life is.. a bad thing? What happened to that whole "freedom of religion" thing. You can be religious and still tolerant, hell i know several atheists, jews, and muslims, and we all get along, why? Because we all just accept that we have different beliefs, and get over it.[/QUOTE] You're misunderstanding me. I'm saying that we should get to a point where we do not feel the need to believe in some man in the sky to get through our lives. We can fall back on the goodness of our friends, our family, the people who care about us. I don't know why you're bringing up freedom of religion, because nowhere did I say I think we should limit freedoms. I'm not advocating the forcing of people to change. I want use to get to a point to where the concept of religion is gone, not through force, but through a civil means
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21293638]For the amount of time atheists spend complaining about Christians forcing their beliefs on others, we certainly spend a lot of time forcing our beliefs on others.[/QUOTE] How is calling something illogical, or irrational forcing a belief down someones throat?
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;21293636]If you take out the belief that the mind exists, you got yourself some Nihilism. Nothing exists. :smug:[/QUOTE] I think therefore I am bitch. So I at least exist, and therefore you are wrongggg :smug:
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21293638]For the amount of time atheists spend complaining about Christians forcing their beliefs on others, we certainly spend a lot of time forcing our beliefs on others.[/QUOTE] If their beliefs weren't pants on head retarded I wouldn't mind.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293660]That's exactly what it is because the species does not need to make any important decisions based on our conclusion of whether or not god exists. Useless as a debater would be someone debating about something useless. Like you.[/QUOTE] But we do make decisions based on that. Or are you entirely unaware of that? See above point.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293660][b]That's exactly what it is because the species does not need to make any important decisions based on our conclusion of whether or not god exists.[/b] Useless as a debater would be someone debating about something useless. Like you.[/QUOTE] That's like saying religion has no impact at all on the world.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293690]But we do make decisions based on that. Or are you entirely unaware of that? See above point.[/QUOTE] It's not religions fault that those things happen, it's organization.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293707]That's like saying religion has no impact at all on the world.[/QUOTE] BUT OF COURSE IT DOESN'T! It's not like religion has ever been the focal point of major decisions by governments and people world wide.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293723]It's not religions fault that those things happen, it's organization.[/QUOTE] I rest my case, you're a moron.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293723]It's not religions fault that those things happen, it's organization.[/QUOTE] Lets just be an anarchy, that's better.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293707]That's like saying religion has no impact at all on the world.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't if everyone would shut the fuck up and stop caring.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293629]Do you honestly believe that the question of god's existence is completely irrelevant? Despite the fact that people use god to justify things like the pope's immunity, suicide bombing and others. So since it affects all those things, wouldn't you say it would make sense to reach a conclusion on the matter?[/QUOTE] I don't think a conclusion can ever be reached on whether there is a god, but I believe one can be reached on whether we should worship a god. For me, it already has been concluded in the 'a god cannot be all loving and all powerful' argument.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21293742]Lets just be an anarchy, that's better.[/QUOTE] I already addressed that but I didn't expect you to read.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21293740]I rest my case, you're a moron.[/QUOTE] You suppose that without religion, extremists would not exist and wars would end?
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