• Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;21294058]Are you seriously trying to argue that religion is something you are born predisposed to Seriously SERIOUSLY[/QUOTE] No, but one can be genetically predisposed to following the mass and sticking with beliefs they learned from parents or other community figures.
Mexican stop acting like a child. If you're going to debate, debate.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21294150]No, but one can be genetically predisposed to following the mass and sticking with beliefs they learned from parents or other community figures.[/QUOTE] Source required
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21294150]No, but one can be genetically predisposed to following the mass and sticking with beliefs they learned from parents or other community figures.[/QUOTE] No they can't
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21294149]Explain to me how the belief in god has any basis on logic go on I'll wait[/QUOTE] It doesn't, and neither does believing that it's impossible for god to exist. And I know, hurr, most of you are only 99.99% sure of it or whatever. But if you tell people what you believe and why it's better, you're hypocrites.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294177]But if you tell people what you believe and why it's better, you're hypocrites.[/QUOTE] No
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21294159]Mexican stop acting like a child. If you're going to debate, debate.[/QUOTE] This isn't parliament I can crack a few jokes can't I? Not like anything I ever say will get through to any of you. [editline]04:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DOG-GY;21294187]No[/QUOTE] why not
[QUOTE=petieng;21294140]There is nothing illogical about believing in a god. Many aspects of organised religion can be show to be illogical, but not the belief in a god.[/QUOTE] Watch this shit. There is no evidence for the existence of unicorns, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in unicorns. This is not to say that unicorns don't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that unicorns exist, can be dismissed as illogical. There is no evidence for the existence of god, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in god. This is not to say that god doesn't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that god exists, can be dismissed as illogical. See?
So...You are saying there's an equal starting line for every person born? No one is more likely to believe one idea or another based on anything except societal conditioning?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294210]There is no evidence for the existence of god, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in god. This is not to say that god doesn't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that god exists, can be dismissed as illogical.[/QUOTE] There is no evidence that there is no god, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe god does not exist. This is not to say that god might exist, to prove either way, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the both idea that god doesn't exist AND the idea that he does, can be dismissed as illogical.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294194]This isn't parliament I can crack a few jokes can't I? Not like anything I ever say will get through to any of you.[/QUOTE] I actually heavily consider everything people say during an argument. If I loose, I see that I was wrong and then I change my stance. [QUOTE=Regulas021;21294215]So...You are saying there's an equal starting line for every person born? No one is more likely to believe one idea or another based on anything except societal conditioning?[/QUOTE] Where is your evidence suggesting otherwise? You can't just make a claim about human biology based on your own assumptions
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21294149]Explain to me how the belief in god has any basis on logic go on I'll wait[/QUOTE] There isn't any, but there's no logical argument against the existence of a god either. You can clearly show that believing in an all knowing, all powerful and all loving god [B]is[/B] illogical. (By being all powerful, such a God has the ability to intervene and stop evil from occurring, but the very fact evil does exist means if there is a god he either does not have the power to intervene or does not wish to. If he does not wish to, he is not all loving. etc) I can't present a logical argument for a god beyond the notion that possibly a higher being initiated the creation of the universe, possibly defined physical constants to allow the existence of matter and complexity in the universe, but can you show this isn't the case?
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294278]There is no evidence that there is no god, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe god does not exist. This is not to say that god might exist, to prove either way, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that god doesn't exist, can be dismissed as illogical.[/QUOTE] You fundamentally don't understand logic. Please try to understand, that there is a default position, and the default position to the existence of anything, is nonexistence. So if it cannot be logically proven that the positive is true, then the logical conclusion, is that it is the negative. [editline]05:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=petieng;21294315]There isn't any, but there's no logical argument against the existence of a god either. You can clearly show that believing in an all knowing, all powerful and all loving god [B]is[/B] illogical. (By being all powerful, such a God has the ability to intervene and stop evil from occurring, but the very fact evil does exist means if there is a god he either does not have the power to intervene or does not wish to. If he does not wish to, he is not all loving. etc) I can't present a logical argument for a god beyond the notion that possibly a higher being initiated the creation of the universe, possibly defined physical constants to allow the existence of matter and complexity in the universe, but can you show this isn't the case?[/QUOTE] You're filling gaps with god. We don't know what was before the big bang, but that doesn't mean it was a god or anything.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294333]Please try to understand, that there is a default position, and the default position to the existence of anything, is nonexistence.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. Logic is innate, and the default position is being unsure. From there you could rack your brain and try to come to a conclusion, or you can realize that from current evidence we don't know either way, and that it's irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294210]Watch this shit. There is no evidence for the existence of unicorns, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in unicorns. This is not to say that unicorns don't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that unicorns exist, can be dismissed as illogical. There is no evidence for the existence of god, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in god. This is not to say that god doesn't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that god exists, can be dismissed as illogical. See?[/QUOTE] There is evidence against unicorns existing. Why have we found no remains, why has no one ever sited one? Unircorns are like a God that has an active role in the 'running of the universe,' such as punishing evil and rewarding good. These are both within our ability to look at logically and prove or disprove. The simple [I]existence[/I] of a god is not within our same capability.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21294307]I actually heavily consider everything people say during an argument. If I loose, I see that I was wrong and then I change my stance. Where is your evidence suggesting otherwise? You can't just make a claim about human biology based on your own assumptions[/QUOTE] I had assumed it was common knowledge. I read a neurological textbook two years ago that formed the basis of my beliefs on it, but I can't remember the name of it. Because of that, I'll cede my credibility in that area.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294333]You're filling gaps with god. We don't know what was before the big bang, but that doesn't mean it was a god or anything.[/QUOTE] And yet it's a possibility as much as anything.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294210]Watch this shit. There is no evidence for the existence of unicorns, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in unicorns. This is not to say that unicorns don't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that unicorns exist, can be dismissed as illogical. There is no evidence for the existence of god, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in god. This is not to say that god doesn't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that god exists, can be dismissed as illogical. See?[/QUOTE] Just because it's illogical doesn't mean it's bad, though. I've met people who really couldn't have gone on living without believing in some father figure looking over them.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294333] You're filling gaps with god. We don't know what was before the big bang, but that doesn't mean it was a god or anything.[/QUOTE] We don't know either way, that's not a logical argument against the existence of a god. You are simply saying [B]I do not know.[/B]
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21294428]I had assumed it was common knowledge. I read a neurological textbook two years ago that formed the basis of my beliefs on it, but I can't remember the name of it. Because of that, I'll cede my credibility in that area.[/QUOTE] I don't have the time to search for evidence, but I've never heard of this at all. It sounds like psuedoscience.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21294307]I actually heavily consider everything people say during an argument. If I loose, I see that I was wrong and then I change my stance. [b]Where is your evidence suggesting otherwise?[/b] You can't just make a claim about human biology based on your own assumptions[/QUOTE] Some people are born with physical and/or mental defects, people look different, these are all things that may push the starting line back and forth depending on the place that person would be growing up in.
I made this abomination about a month ago because I was bored, I should make one of him in prison bars now. [URL=http://img180.imageshack.us/i/dhkp.png/][IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2571/dhkp.png[/IMG][/URL]
[QUOTE=petieng;21294454]We don't know either way, that's not a logical argument against the existence of a god. You are simply saying [B]I do not know.[/B][/QUOTE] Exactly, we don't fucking know, so why do you have go and act like a smartass claiming it's god or someshit? We don't know, we may never know, and that's just fine.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21293996]He's pointing out the bias of people, because Dawkins can easily be pulling a PR stunt too.[/QUOTE] But he's not trying to make himself look good, he's trying to get attention if anything.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294486]Exactly, we don't fucking know, so why do you have go and act like a smartass claiming it's god or someshit? We don't know, we may never know, and that's just fine.[/QUOTE] Why are you being the smartass claiming there is no god? Wait you just said everything I've been saying.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294486]Exactly, we don't fucking know, so why do you have go and act like a smartass claiming it's god or someshit? We don't know, we may never know, and that's just fine.[/QUOTE] What the hell man? Chill the fuck out. I said there is no logical argument against the existence of a God. That's it.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294462]Some people are born with physical and/or mental defects, people look different, these are all things that may push the starting line back and forth depending on the place that person would be growing up in.[/QUOTE] But he's saying that genetically some people are predisposed to believing something. You have no understanding of society, language, or anything pertaining to the people of the world you are in when you are born.
[QUOTE=petieng;21294426]There is evidence against unicorns existing. Why have we found no remains, why has no one ever sited one? Unircorns are like a God that has an active role in the 'running of the universe,' such as punishing evil and rewarding good. These are both within our ability to look at logically and prove or disprove. The simple [I]existence[/I] of a god is not within our same capability.[/QUOTE] You do realize that everything you said about unicorns... There is evidence against god existing. Why have we found no remains, why has no one ever sited one? God is like a Unicorn that has an active role in the 'running of the universe,' such as punishing evil and rewarding good. These are both within our ability to look at logically and prove or disprove. The simple [I]existence[/I] of a unicorn is not within our same capability.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294504]Why are you being the smartass claiming there is no god?[/QUOTE] Because logically, there's no reason to assume one exists. You already proved you don't understand logic with a post a few posts ago. That's not how it works, and I'll be damned if you could go up to someone that actually knows how logical thinking works in real life and tell them they're wrong.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21294513]But he's saying that genetically some people are predisposed to believing something. You have no understanding of society, language, or anything pertaining to the people of the world you are in when you are born.[/QUOTE] In theory some people could be more predisposed to follow and others to lead. It's largely a nature over nurture argument. Either way, the child has no direct control.
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