• Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI
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[QUOTE=Mexican;21294504]Why are you being the smartass claiming there is no god? Wait you just said everything I've been saying.[/QUOTE] Are you dense? I never claimed that there is no god. I said that based on the current evidence, the logical conclusion is that there isn't one. The first one implies that I know there isn't a god, the second one is just a decision based on available evidence, do you see the fucking difference?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21294527]Because logically, there's no reason to assume one exists. You already proved you don't understand logic with a post a few posts ago. That's not how it works, and I'll be damned if you could go up to someone that actually knows how logical thinking works in real life and tell them they're wrong.[/QUOTE] You're bull shitting and using your false skewed view of logic as a cover, you're no better than a man hiding behind a Bible.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21294513]But he's saying that genetically some people are predisposed to believing something. You have no understanding of society, language, or anything pertaining to the people of the world you are in when you are born.[/QUOTE] Well, kids born with autism wouldn't be predisposed to language and social stuff, but may be really good at math, so in some sense he is right.
Mexican what side of the argument are you on god damn
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294522]You do realize that everything you said about unicorns... There is evidence against god existing. Why have we found no remains, why has no one ever sited one? God is like a Unicorn that has an active role in the 'running of the universe,' such as punishing evil and rewarding good. These are both within our ability to look at logically and prove or disprove. The simple [I]existence[/I] of a unicorn is not within our same capability.[/QUOTE] No you've missed the point. By replacing unicorn with God, you are assuming I'm saying an all loving God that plays an active role in the universe exists. I have already stated [B]this is illogical.[/B] So you think there is evidence against the existence of a god? What is it?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294550]Are you dense? I never claimed that there is no god. I said that based on the current evidence, the logical conclusion is that there isn't one. The first one implies that I know there isn't a god, the second one is just a decision based on available evidence, do you see the fucking difference?[/QUOTE] And yet if someone truly believes he has evidence of a god (for example he's a schizo and hears voices) and tells you the logical conclusion is there is a god you'd call him an idiot.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294504]Why are you being the smartass claiming there is no god? Wait you just said everything I've been saying.[/QUOTE] The existence of god is a binary question. What was before the big bang on the other hand is a question that has an infinity of answers.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21294574]Mexican what side of the argument are you on god damn[/QUOTE] Apatheism, apathetic agnosticism, pragmatic agnosticism, whatever you want to call it.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294567]Well, kids born with autism wouldn't be predisposed to language and social stuff, but may be really good at math, so in some sense he is right.[/QUOTE] He was implying that they would be predisposed to a view on society. His example was that they would be predisposed to believing god exists. That's not possible, because they would have to have an innate understanding of the concept of god. Autism is an entirely different topic, and you're talking about aspergers syndrome.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294609]The existence of god is a binary question. What was before the big bang on the other hand is a question that has an infinity of answers.[/QUOTE] And yet even with only two possibilities we don't know.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294609]The existence of god is a binary question. What was before the big bang on the other hand is a question that has an infinity of answers.[/QUOTE] How does this have any relevance?
[QUOTE=petieng;21294581]No you've missed the point. By replacing unicorn with God, you are assuming I'm saying an all loving God that plays an active role in the universe exists. I have already stated [B]this is illogical.[/B] [b]So you think there is evidence against the existence of a god? What is it?[/b][/QUOTE] There isn't evidence one way or the other, but there is a logical conclusion to reach from the lack of evidence.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294613]Apatheism, apathetic agnosticism, pragmatic agnosticism, whatever you want to call it.[/QUOTE] Being apathetic about something that affects your life and other's lives is stupid.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294592]And yet if someone truly believes he has evidence of a god (for example he's a schizo and hears voices) and tells you the logical conclusion is there is a god you'd call him an idiot.[/QUOTE] Because we can logically explain away the things like that with testing? Hmm... And no, how am I hiding behind logic like a man with a bible? You are the one that doesn't understand logic, and are clearly demonstrating that.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294210]Watch this shit. There is no evidence for the existence of unicorns, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in unicorns. This is not to say that unicorns don't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that unicorns exist, can be dismissed as illogical. There is no evidence for the existence of god, therefore it's irrational/illogical to believe in god. This is not to say that god doesn't exist, to prove that one, you would have to be omniscient. However, based on the current evidence (no evidence) the idea that god exists, can be dismissed as illogical. See?[/QUOTE] Yo Kybalt you've done this before you promised me a unicorn and I haven't got it yet you owe my a unicorn motherfucker
[QUOTE=petieng;21294643]How does this have any relevance?[/QUOTE] One of them can be deduced logically, without any evidence, the other one cannot.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21294646]Being apathetic about something that affects your life and other's lives is stupid.[/QUOTE] uh no. Being apathetic about whether or not god exists affects nothing. I'm not apathetic about EVERYTHING. Don't give me that bullshit "this is war pick a side" attitude. It doesn't matter and I'd like to focus my thoughts on shit that matters. In fact if anything the fact that I don't base my life on a church or trolling Christians means I'm more useful.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294644]There isn't evidence one way or the other, but there is a logical conclusion to reach from the lack of evidence.[/QUOTE] The existence of a god [B]does not need evidence.[/B] The lack of evidence does not make the existence of a god any less likely. Only the existence of an purposefully intervening God needs evidence.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;21294664]Yo Kybalt you've done this before you promised me a unicorn and I haven't got it yet you owe my a unicorn motherfucker[/QUOTE] Oh but you already have it, there is just no possible way to detect it, that's all. We're good man.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21294653]You are the one that doesn't understand logic, and are clearly demonstrating that.[/QUOTE] I'm thinking the same about you.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294644]There isn't evidence one way or the other, but there is a logical conclusion to reach from the lack of evidence.[/QUOTE] Prove whether the unicorn exists or doesn't exist in this universe boy!
Richard Dawkins is just talking out of his ass.
[QUOTE=petieng;21294692]The existence of a god [B]does not need evidence.[/B] The lack of evidence does not make the existence of a god any less likely.[/QUOTE] Without any evidence in any direction, you can still conclude that the logical belief is that god doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=petieng;21294692]The existence of a god [B]does not need evidence.[/B] The lack of evidence does not make the existence of a god any less likely. Only the existence of an purposefully intervening God needs evidence.[/QUOTE] Circular logic. You believe in something that can't be proven to exist, yet you still believe in it, and the reason you believe in it is because it can't be disproven? This could be said for anything, I could say there is an invisible undetectable ninja directly behind you watching you at all time, would you believe it? No. I thought God was supposed to be all loving, why does he let people suffer the way they do? It's not like Christians made God to seem apathetic, in which case I might agree with you slightly more. Also, anyone feel like the second coming of Christ is just a two thousand year old cliff hanger?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21294748]This could be said for anything, I could say there is an invisible undetectable ninja directly behind you watching you at all time, would you believe it?[/QUOTE] I can't disprove it. So it might exist. As long as it doesn't fuck with me I don't care if it exists.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294736]Without any evidence in any direction, you can still conclude that the logical belief is that god doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Then do it. Prove to me with logic, as best you can, that God does not exist.
remember kids, if you're an atheist, you're more logical than over 5 billion people
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21294609]The existence of god is a binary question. What was before the big bang on the other hand is a question that has an infinity of answers.[/QUOTE] Your question in Layman's term is: Where did mass come from? And of course, let me add in - what set it in motion? Time can not be infinite, since it's a term for the movement of mass - relativity. But at the same time it can. These questions and the answers are [B]beyond human logic[/B]. If we were told it's creation we would not understand nor comprehend it. The delusion of "God" is people who cannot answer this question and want a simple answer. My philosophy is; It cannot be answered. It is an impossible question with an impossible answer due to the limits - restrictions if you will - of the human brain.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294776]I can't disprove it. So it might exist. As long as it doesn't fuck with me I don't care if it exists.[/QUOTE] What if I feared the ninja, and believed that I had to kill you to prevent the ninja from ending the world?
[QUOTE=Mexican;21294776]I can't disprove it. So it might exist. As long as it doesn't fuck with me I don't care if it exists.[/QUOTE] The law system works something like this: Innocent until proven guilty. If you can't prove it, there's no reason to believe it.
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