[QUOTE=Zemog;21295252]This is by far the fastest growing conversation I've seen on Facepunch.[/QUOTE]
You missed the Collateral Murder threads...
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21295393]That's catholicism, and the branches off of that, where as protestantism holds no one above each other. EG: the pope, and all his buddies (in their religion) can't do anything wrong; whereas in protestantism, preachers can do things wrong, in fact they often do.[/QUOTE]
Well protestantism was made to counter corruption, more specifically indulgences, among other things. A lot of types of protestantism, ie Anglicanism, believes in a lot of the same things that Catholics believe in. That being, that God is great and mysterious, and people don't understand him.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295312]so, why don't you tell me how all this stuff appeared, even before the big bang?[/QUOTE]
Time began at the big bang. The universe may have "always" (since time didn't exist... yeah) existed as a singularity, or perhaps it reforms into a singularity after a big crunch, and then goes through it all again.
i just feel right here that catholicism took all the good things in Christianity and turned it into a business
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295366]Okay, fine, I'll respond. Mass theoretically comes from the higgs. Time began at the big bang. The universe may have "always" (since time didn't exist... yeah) existed as a singularity, or perhaps it reforms into a singularity after a big crunch, and then goes through it all again. I think it can be answered, eventually.[/QUOTE]
Why did it start when it started? Where did the big-bang particle mass come from (Can someone please sum up the Higgs thing in a nutshell)? I could bombard you with questions.
I'd gladfully hear answers, and I wouldn't mind searching for them my entire life, but if they can be answered I'd be as impressed as I would if religion was proven.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295496]Time began at the big bang. The universe may have "always" (since time didn't exist... yeah) existed as a singularity, or perhaps it reforms into a singularity after a big crunch, and then goes through it all again.[/QUOTE]
but where did it start?
[QUOTE=Archy;21295499]i just feel right here that catholicism took all the good things in Christianity and turned it into a business[/QUOTE]
Read the 95 theses.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295402]don't get the rest of christianity into this, i believe this is an issue with the catholic church[/QUOTE]
Here are some words:
Honesty. Free speech. Equal right.
Religions that remove them should be scrutinized for doing so.
Religions that don't - go on, mind your day.
[QUOTE=Zemog;21295505]Why did it start when it started? Where did the big-bang particle mass come from (Can someone please sum up the Higgs thing in a nutshell)? I could bombard you with questions.
I'd gladfully hear answers, and I wouldn't mind searching for them my entire life, but if they can be answered I'd be as impressed as I would if religion was proven.[/QUOTE]
Well, we don't really know why the big bang happened. As for where it came from, again, we don't know, but it may have always been here, there's no reason why it couldn't have been. The higgs thing, wiki it. Wikipedia is amazing for learning answers to these questions.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21295556]Read the 95 theses.[/QUOTE]
i did, i'm lutheran christian
lutheran christian is best christian
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21295511]Yes, i was merely clarifying that not all branches of christianity hold the leaders of the church over everyone else.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, however, a lot of them still tell you that people are dumb, God is great and that organized religion is the only way to understand this.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295509]but where did it start?[/QUOTE]
The big bang came from the singularity.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21295330]I think it's silly that religion tells people that God is beyond their comprehension.
If that is true, how does organized religion work, are priests, bishops, and the pope above human?[/QUOTE]
I agree, and if god can't be understood how do we know his way is 'the right way?' Morality is not beyond human comprehension, but when something occurs that seems immoral then god has 'acted in mysterious ways' even though such a god apparently acts morally...
[QUOTE=Zemog;21295505]Why did it start when it started? Where did the big-bang particle mass come from (Can someone please sum up the Higgs thing in a nutshell)? I could bombard you with questions.
I'd gladfully hear answers, and I wouldn't mind searching for them my entire life, but if they can be answered I'd be as impressed as I would if religion was proven.[/QUOTE]
Just because we don't have the capability to know now, doesn't mean we won't find out later.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295589]The big bang came from the singularity.[/QUOTE]
so how did that start?
[QUOTE=Archy;21295607]so how did that start?[/QUOTE]
We don't know. And I think we will find out eventually, maybe within a few decades actually, considering how fast science is progressing.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295571]but it may have always been here[/QUOTE]
"Always" is a relative term. Time = Movement of mass, atoms. It's just what we call it.
What set them in motion so "Time could begin"?
And I did wiki the Higgs thing, but I don't have time to read all the hoaking pages of jibberjabber.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295607]so how did that start?[/QUOTE]
That's the point, a singularity is where the current laws of physics don't exist.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21295621]See, i have a feeling that people don't have a problem with theism, they have a problem with organized religion.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's illogical to be a theist. As much as I don't want to open this can of worms again.
[QUOTE=Billiam;21295604]Just because we don't have the capability to know now, doesn't mean we won't find out later.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying we won't find out later.
I'm just saying that - it's the only thing that not even a logical hypothesis can surface on.
If we knew it'd make no sense... probably.
You've got to think really deeply about it to understand.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295641]We don't know. And I think we will find out eventually, maybe within a few decades actually, considering how fast science is progressing.[/QUOTE]
If no decipherable information about what happened before the Big Bang is in this universe, as in there are no clues then we will never find out.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295676]Well, it's illogical to be a theist. As much as I don't want to open this can of worms again.[/QUOTE]
You just did :v:
You didn't show me why it's illogical though, so I don't believe you.
[QUOTE=Zemog;21295652]"Always" is a relative term. Time = Movement of mass, atoms. It's just what we call it.
What set them in motion so "Time could begin"?
And I did wiki the Higgs thing, but I don't have time to read all the hoaking pages of jibberjabber.[/QUOTE]
We don't know yet. If you want to find out so badly, go become a theoretical physicist.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295641]We don't know. And I think we will find out eventually, maybe within a few decades actually, considering how fast science is progressing.[/QUOTE]
So, i have a question for you:
what's stopping all this research from pointing to god?
what if we find some big new discovery that makes everything so far fit perfectly?
[QUOTE=Archy;21295707]So, i have a question for you:
what's stopping all this research from pointing to god?
what if we find some big new discovery that makes everything so far fit perfectly?[/QUOTE]
Such as what?
[QUOTE=petieng;21295703]If no decipherable information about what happened before the Big Bang is in this universe, as in there are no clues then we will never find out.[/QUOTE]
We don't know if there is though..?
Time requires matter, if there is no matter there is no time.
[QUOTE=petieng;21295703]If no decipherable information about what happened before the Big Bang is in this universe, as in there are no clues then we will never find out.
You just did :v:
You didn't show me why it's illogical though, so I don't believe you.[/QUOTE]
It's illogical because there is no evidence supporting a belief in god. Therefore, it's illogical to believe in one.
Anything before the big bang didn't exist in time, the big bang was the first incident of time in our universe as we understand it.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295716]We don't know if there is though..?[/QUOTE]
But my point is we can't know everything, which is the source of my 'theism is not illogical' argument.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295707]So, i have a question for you:
what's stopping all this research from pointing to god?
what if we find some big new discovery that makes everything so far fit perfectly?[/QUOTE]
what if what if, how about we actually find out instead of filling in gaps of knowledge with god?
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