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[QUOTE=petieng;21295755]But my point is we can't know everything, which is the source of my 'theism is not illogical' argument.[/QUOTE] It's not logical either. Just keeping that idea out there.
i'll say this right now: until we know everything, it's illogical to call theism illogical.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295705]We don't know yet. If you want to find out so badly, go become a theoretical physicist.[/QUOTE] Again, this is just me guessing but humanity will probably end before we find out. And humanity will end. Statistically every year there's got to be like a 0,0000000003% chance that humanity ends, right? Something like that. Every year, add up that number again and again. If time is infinite humanity could end when there's a 0,001% chance of it (Year 300 000) or maybe a 50% chance of it (Year 25 000 000 000), or maybe 99,99999999% chance of it (Year 100 000 000 000) But humanity will no doubt end at some point.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295740]It's illogical because there is no evidence supporting a belief in god. Therefore, it's illogical to believe in one.[/QUOTE] And I've stated many a time, it does not require evidence because there needn't be any clues in this universe to the existence of a God. All you've managed to do is show that belief in a purposefully intervening God is illogical, which I completely agree with.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295791]i'll say this right now: until we know everything, it's illogical to call theism illogical.[/QUOTE] You can't know everything.
[QUOTE=petieng;21295755]But my point is we can't know everything, which is the source of my 'theism is not illogical' argument.[/QUOTE] You have no evidence for the existence of god, yet believe in one. That is illogical.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295765]what if what if, how about we actually find out instead of filling in gaps of knowledge with god?[/QUOTE] i'm not saying fill it with god, but what if we do find something that leans immensely in favor of theism?
[QUOTE=Archy;21295791]i'll say this right now: until we know everything, it's illogical to call theism illogical.[/QUOTE] And you have what evidence for this claim?
[QUOTE=Zemog;21295700]I'm not saying we won't find out later. I'm just saying that - it's the only thing that not even a logical hypothesis can surface on. If we knew it'd make no sense... probably. You've got to think really deeply about it to understand.[/QUOTE] Only time will tell whether or this is beyond human intelligence. I'd like to think yes, considering how much we've come to understand so far.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21295811]You can't know everything.[/QUOTE] therefore, being atheist isn't logical.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295814]i'm not saying fill it with god, but what if we do find something that leans immensely in favor of theism?[/QUOTE] Well that would be interesting, wouldn't it?
[QUOTE=Zemog;21295792]Again, this is just me guessing but humanity will probably end before we find out. And humanity will end. Statistically every year there's got to be like a 0,0000000003% chance that humanity ends, right? Something like that. Every year, add up that number again and again. If time is infinite humanity could end when there's a 0,001% chance of it (Year 300 000) or maybe a 50% chance of it (Year 25 000 000 000), or maybe 99,99999999% chance of it (Year 100 000 000 000) But humanity will no doubt end at some point.[/QUOTE] What do you call humanity? Eventually people will evolve yes? At what point are we no longer human. Keep in mind everything stems from basic prokaryotic cells below the surface of the ocean.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295827]therefore, being atheist isn't logical.[/QUOTE] Yes it is, I'm going to say this one more time, if you have no evidence for the existence of something, it is logical to believe it doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295820]And you have what evidence for this claim?[/QUOTE] put it this way, you're watching a movie. you have a good PREDICTION of what you think will happen, but suddenly, there's a huge plot twist. instantly, your predictions change. you didn't know the plot, so what you thought would happen suddenly isn't correct. applying this to real life, the same thing applies with atheism. you don't know the plot of life, you don't know how everything about it happened. it's all predictions and guesses. calling theism illogical would mean ignoring the chance of a huge new discovery. (a plot twist)
[QUOTE=Archy;21295860]put it this way, you're watching a movie. you have a good PREDICTION of what you think will happen, but suddenly, there's a huge plot twist. instantly, your predictions change. you didn't know the plot, so what you thought would happen suddenly isn't correct. applying this to real life, the same thing applies with atheism. you don't know the plot of life, you don't know how everything about it happened. it's all predictions and guesses. calling theism illogical would mean ignoring the chance of a huge new discovery. (a plot twist)[/QUOTE] *sigh* you just don't understand. I really have no idea how else I can explain this.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295827]therefore, being atheist isn't logical.[/QUOTE] However, atheism is a belief, just like Christianity. Belief in God is illogical, just like not believing in God is illogical. Logic tells us you need proof to 100% believe in something, yet people are willing to die in God's name. Since there is no proof, it's reasonable not to believe in it, just like the ninja example from before. It's impossible to know if he exists, but in light of thousands of years of waiting, there has been no proof, so people assume there is no God.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295860]put it this way, you're watching a movie. you have a good PREDICTION of what you think will happen, but suddenly, there's a huge plot twist. instantly, your predictions change. you didn't know the plot, so what you thought would happen suddenly isn't correct. applying this to real life, the same thing applies with atheism. you don't know the plot of life, you don't know how everything about it happened. it's all predictions and guesses. calling theism illogical would mean ignoring the chance of a huge new discovery. (a plot twist)[/QUOTE] are you like eleven or something no one here is taking you seriously atleast the other religious nuts were contributing something halfway interesting to read you're not making sense, you're incoherent and you're as deluded as that loony religion you follow sorry i meant cult
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295881]*sigh* you just don't understand. I really have no idea how else I can explain this.[/QUOTE] look, you can't instantly assume there's no god until we know everything until then, there's still the chance of a new discovery
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295812]You have no evidence for the existence of god, yet believe in one. That is illogical.[/QUOTE] Ok, [B]I do not believe in a god.[/B] I'm saying you have just as much right in saying there is a God and in saying there is not one, because you cannot prove it either way.
[QUOTE=petieng;21295902]Ok, [B]I do not believe in a god.[/B] I'm saying you have just as much right in saying there is a God and in saying there is not one, because you cannot prove it either way.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=159225&dateline=1261887651[/img] creepy anime man says turn atheist
Except look what science has given us. Science tells us about the big bang, which is quite different from what organized religion tells us. It's hard to believe in something when the thing that opposes it improves our life greatly and is based off of proof, when your thing has no proof and is based off of thousand year old dogmas.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295900]look, [b]you can't instantly assume there's no god until we know everything[/b] until then, there's still the chance of a new discovery[/QUOTE] Based on current evidence, theism is illogical.
[QUOTE=Archy;21295921][IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=159225&dateline=1261887651[/IMG] creepy anime man says turn atheist[/QUOTE] Ad hominem, if you have nothing to contribute, why post?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295928]Based on current evidence, theism is illogical.[/QUOTE] it APPEARS illogical that doesn't completely rule it out.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21295928]Based on current evidence, theism is illogical.[/QUOTE] And so I ask you again. What evidence?
[QUOTE=Archy;21295950]it APPEARS illogical that doesn't completely rule it out.[/QUOTE] dumb it's sunday gtfo and go to church
[QUOTE=Archy;21295900]look, you can't instantly assume there's no god until we know everything until then, there's still the chance of a new discovery[/QUOTE] He's not saying there is no God. He's saying that it's illogical to accept something before you have any proof it exists.
[QUOTE=Billiam;21295992]He's not saying there is no God. He's saying that it's illogical to accept something before you have any proof it exists.[/QUOTE] i'm also saying it's just bad logic to rule it out, seeing as there's no proof against it we can't just ditch our beliefs over equal points here
[QUOTE=Archy;21295860]put it this way, you're watching a movie. you have a good PREDICTION of what you think will happen, but suddenly, there's a huge plot twist. instantly, your predictions change. you didn't know the plot, so what you thought would happen suddenly isn't correct. applying this to real life, the same thing applies with atheism. you don't know the plot of life, you don't know how everything about it happened. it's all predictions and guesses. calling theism illogical would mean ignoring the chance of a huge new discovery. (a plot twist)[/QUOTE] The plot twist in favour of there being a god hasn't happened yet, so you're wrong. It's perfectly logical to be atheist [i]given the current information[/i].
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21296028]The plot twist in favour of there being a god hasn't happened yet, so you're wrong. It's perfectly logical to be atheist [i]given the current information[/i].[/QUOTE] exactly, but it's illogical to tell people to become atheist despite the fact more could come forward
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