[QUOTE=Archy;21320275]i don't think you can really tell someone whether they're christian or not, especially since you're coming from the perspective of an atheist[/QUOTE]
You easily can. There's a set definition. It's not some variable mix of things or an empty label.
[QUOTE=Wakka;21319536]Atheist corporations are more likely to be corrupt than Christian corporations.
If such things exist.[/QUOTE]
yeah, anyone who doesn't believe in God is a terrible person and immoral!!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21320628]You easily can. There's a set definition. It's not some variable mix of things or an empty label.[/QUOTE]
you can't just shove them under the label of christian, there are tonnes of different views on what jesus said, i mean, look at protestant vs. catholic
it just doesnt pay justice to shove someone under the label of christian and call it a day
[QUOTE=Archy;21320718]you can't just shove them under the label of christian, there are tonnes of different views on what jesus said, i mean, look at protestant vs. catholic
it just doesnt pay justice to shove someone under the label of christian and call it a day[/QUOTE]
Christian = someone who follows the Bible, New Testament but acknowledges the Old Testament.
It doesn't mean picking and choosing between passages and pieces.
I'm watching this conversation here, and it seems even the Christians don't get it.
There is a major assumption here that Christians, according to their religion, are supposed to be moral and promote a moral society. Dude, everyone tries to be moral in their own way. True Christianity is the acceptance of the forgiveness of Jesus Christ for all your sins. The fact that no human is truly capable of morality (even Christians) is a big topic in the Bible itself.
my point is, the Christian church should not be expected to be synonymous with morality anymore than any other social group in the world. they try, but of course they fail to be moral because there is no human that is truly moral
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21320742]Christian = someone who follows the Bible, New Testament but acknowledges the Old Testament.
It doesn't mean picking and choosing between passages and pieces.[/QUOTE]
I consider a Christian to be anyone who believes Jesus Christ to have been the son of god, and the bible to be the word of god.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21320864]I consider a Christian to be anyone who believes Jesus Christ to have been the son of god, and the bible to be the word of god.[/QUOTE]
the shit's deeper than that
[QUOTE=radioactive;21283288]Science or Religion, which one is better?
There's only one way to find out...
FIGHT!!!!![/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=science&word2=religion[/url]
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21320872]the shit's deeper than that[/QUOTE]
Not really.
so, science is the key to creating a moral human society?
tell that to this guy:
[img]http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w/images/3/3b/Breen.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=Sprocket Shit;21321007]Not really.[/QUOTE]
yes, really - if you're speaking in terms of the Bible's definition of what makes a Christian, and not a [i]Christian's[/i] definition of what makes a Christian.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21320864]I consider a Christian to be anyone who believes Jesus Christ to have been the son of god, and the bible to be the word of god.[/QUOTE]
More or less the same thing isn't it?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21321330]More or less the same thing isn't it?[/QUOTE]
Since you're asking...
By taking all related Biblical passages into account, a Christian being defined as one who "believes Jesus was the son of God, and the Bible is the word of God" is incomplete and an inappropriate answer to the question "what makes a Christian".
According to the Word (not church doctrine or what your "Christian" friend at school told you), someone is only a Christian if they have been "born again", thus attaining Salvation (that is, they are destined to go to Heaven in the afterlife as opposed to spending eternity in Hell). Being "born again" means you have placed faith in Jesus Christ - the Son of God (also, simultaneously, God himself in human form) for the forgiveness of your sins in order to attain "righteousness" (only the righteous can go to Heaven, but no human is righteous by nature and so he needs to have his sins miraculously forgiven through Jesus' blood sacrifice on the cross, later rising from the grave). Furthermore, you must live a life guided by the Holy Spirit (God's conscious influence in your behavior and thoughts) and so you must recieve it in order to be led gradually to a life of repentance from your sinful actions as a second component to achieving salvation.
You can receive both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit through prayer.
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321440]Since you're asking...
By taking all related Biblical passages into account, a Christian being defined as one who "believes Jesus was the son of God, and the Bible is the word of God" is incomplete and an inappropriate answer to the question "what makes a Christian".
According to the Word (not church doctrine or what your "Christian" friend at school told you), someone is only a Christian if they have been "born again", thus attaining Salvation (that is, they are destined to go to Heaven in the afterlife as opposed to spending eternity in Hell). Being "born again" means you have placed faith in Jesus Christ - the Son of God (also, simultaneously, God himself in human form) for the forgiveness of your sins in order to attain "righteousness" (only the righteous can go to Heaven, but no human is righteous by nature and so he needs to have his sins miraculously forgiven through Jesus' blood sacrifice on the cross). Furthermore, you must live a life guided by the Holy Spirit (God's conscious influence in your behavior and thoughts) and so you must recieve it in order to be led gradually to a life of repentance from your sinful actions as a second component to achieving salvation.
You can receive both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit through prayer.[/QUOTE]
You're wrong I'm a true Christian.
nm
[QUOTE=Sprocket Shit;21321503]You're wrong I'm a true Christian.[/QUOTE]
lol, keep telling yourself that, even on the way down the shit-tunnel to hell after your dead
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321440]
According to the Word (not church doctrine or what your "Christian" friend at school told you), someone is only a Christian if they have been "born again", thus attaining Salvation (that is, they are destined to go to Heaven in the afterlife as opposed to spending eternity in Hell). Being "born again" means you have placed faith in Jesus Christ - the Son of God (also, simultaneously, God himself in human form) for the forgiveness of your sins in order to attain "righteousness" (only the righteous can go to Heaven, but no human is righteous by nature and so he needs to have his sins miraculously forgiven through Jesus' blood sacrifice on the cross, later rising from the grave). Furthermore, you must live a life guided by the Holy Spirit (God's conscious influence in your behavior and thoughts) and so you must recieve it in order to be led gradually to a life of repentance from your sinful actions as a second component to achieving salvation.
You can receive both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit through prayer.[/QUOTE]
That's an evangelical you just described
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21321557]That's an evangelical you just described[/QUOTE]
no, its just the Bible definition. im protestant, so i dont know anything about evangelical doctrine, but if it matches what i described, then it matches the Bible.
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321576]no, its just the Bible definition. im protestant, so i dont know anything about evangelical doctrine, but if it matches what i described, then it matches the Bible.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that when I said a Christian is someone who "believes jesus to be the son of god, and the bible to be the word of god", it kind of implied that a Christian is someone who follows what the bible says.
So you're arguing with me without actually disagreeing.
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321533]lol, keep telling yourself that, even on the way down the shit-tunnel to hell after your dead[/QUOTE]
hell doesn't exist, i thought you were joking at first; that's just terrible what you just said..
and you'll be a shitty officer when you graduate if all you can use is circular reasoning
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;21321617]hell doesn't exist, i thought you were joking at first; that's just terrible what you just said..
and you'll be a shitty officer when you graduate if all you can use is circular reasoning[/QUOTE]
lol, wtf is this "officer" you're talking about?
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321636]lol, wtf is this "officer" you're talking about?[/QUOTE]
dunno assumed that was an rotc patch on your facebook, correct me if i'm wrong
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21321588]it kind of implied that a Christian is someone who follows what the bible says.[/QUOTE]
right, but who actually knows what that is? not many people, so i clarified it.
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[QUOTE=siberpredaht;21321641]dunno assumed that was an rotc patch on your facebook, correct me if i'm wrong[/QUOTE]
o, so you know everything that goes on in my life?
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321646]
o, so you know everything that goes on in my life?[/QUOTE]
straw man?
i know religious nuts are proficient with fallacious arguments, but damn you're good
well, if youre willing to take the time to look up my facebook, its kinda dumb on your part to not also look at some of my previous posts which would indicate that ive been out of the army for a while
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[QUOTE=siberpredaht;21321669]straw man?
i know religious nuts are proficient with fallacious arguments, but damn you're good[/QUOTE]
thanks. christians are also dicks. dicks fuck pussies. are you a pussy?
The pope should go to Britain in a tank instead of the popemobile.
ROTC isn't army, you poser
[QUOTE=mastermaul;21321679]The pope should go to Britain in a tank instead of the popemobile.[/QUOTE]
the pope should go to a shooting range... i mean, where the targets are
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[QUOTE=siberpredaht;21321681]ROTC isn't army, you poser[/QUOTE]
from your choice of words, i would presume you to be a pussy.
just so happens that i did rotc, dropped out, and then enlisted, then left.
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your avatar is fucking queer
[editline]11:28PM[/editline]
what the fuck's up with the "gold member" status anyway? are one of those rule-toolbags that we're all supposed to aspire to?
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321686]
from your choice of words, i would presume you to be a pussy.
just so happens that i did rotc, dropped out, and then enlisted, then left.
[editline]11:26PM[/editline]
your avatar is fucking queer
[editline]11:28PM[/editline]
what the fuck's up with the "gold member" status anyway? are one of those rule-toolbags that we're all supposed to aspire to?[/QUOTE]
yeah because being in army infantry makes you a pussy lol
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21321686]just so happens that i did rotc, dropped out, and then enlisted, then left.[/QUOTE]
quitter
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