• Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI
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[QUOTE=Jenkem;21288554]Dawkins is one of those hilarious atheists that is against religion being everywhere up in his face, yet parades around his lack of religion and does roughly the same thing his opponents do. Because men would like to think their great, great, great, great grandfather crawled out of a slime pit spawned by random chance rather than be responsible to a higher power.[/QUOTE] Your funny. What's wrong with supporting something you believe in if it's based on rationality? It's much better than thinking some hermaphrodite who hides behind wallpaper in the sky made everything in 7 days. Se I can make something sound irrational too. Isn't that funny? You're stupid to bring abiogenesis into this.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21287832][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah but that was hardly in the name of religion. The pope wanted to give Europe's merchant's an economical boost by funding trips that crusaders had to make. He wanted to give younger sons an opportunity to make land claims for themselves, and he needed an excuse to get knights killed because they caused civil unrest. And of course the religious excuse reason being that they had to reclaim the holy lands. [editline]04:31PM[/editline] Still the pope's fault though so I guess my rambling is null.
[QUOTE=P13 B01;21288438]I agree he should be arrested, but I don't think that was the intention of Dawkins. As others have pointed out, if that was the case, they wouldn't have made it so public. The point is that they HAVE made it public, which to me would suggest that they want the pope to know. I think that the greatest victory they could achieve would be getting the pope not to come to England, because that implies guilt. If they can ensure that they'll be able to arrest him, it is a win-win situation. If he comes, he is arrested. If he doesn't, he loses all credibility. The only problem is if he comes and nothing happens. Though perhaps the controversy and publicity itself has some positive merits... Also, to all you who say he's just as bad as the fanatics - you're missing the point. It's not that atheists like Dawkins object to strong beliefs. It's that they object to [i]irrational[/i] beliefs held strongly. By your logic we should all be apathetic and mild. It's not about who shoves their beliefs the hardest down your throats. It is about how justified they are in doing it. If I force you to move out of the way, it's fine if I'm a paramedic trying to get to someone injured, it's not if I'm just late for work. I've done the same thing (and it is equally unpleasant) but in one case it is justified and in the other it isn't. Likewise, in the defence of science, which has done more for humanity than any other idea EVER, Dawkins is more justified than the fanatic who defends religion, in order to perpetrate essentially irrational acts.[/QUOTE] :eek: I don't think anyone could say it any better
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21288817]Nope. Really Catholics need to let their priests get married/get laid, that's the only reason they pull this shit.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_orthodox[/url]
[QUOTE=Archy;21288741]well, you said that the new testament said that stuff, which verses did you get your ideas from?[/QUOTE] No idea. I haven't read it more than once, I don't remember exactly where.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21288865]No idea. I haven't read it more than once, I don't remember exactly where.[/QUOTE] well, you can't start talking about something without having anything to back it up
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;21286007]seems like a nice person[/QUOTE] He's not. He is doing it so the world sympatise him, and the way people live in tibet sucks. Everyone is poor and only the monks are living the good life. And there is a reason why China is against a free tibet. Back to topic, I hope mr dawkins wins!
[QUOTE=Archy;21289056]well, you can't start talking about something without having anything to back it up[/QUOTE] why not? the bible does it
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21289363]why not? the bible does it[/QUOTE] show me the verses :smug:
[QUOTE=Archy;21289501]show me the verses :smug:[/QUOTE] [quote] Genesis 1-2:10 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. 6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day. 9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. 20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so. 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day. [/quote] [editline]01:10PM[/editline] totally talking about shit without having anything to back it up.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21288498]The Catholic Church never said anything against the nazis either btw.[/QUOTE] The catholic church was against the Nazi's and the soviets later.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21289567][editline]01:10PM[/editline] totally talking about shit without having anything to back it up.[/QUOTE] besides the billions of people who believe in it right
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21289567][editline]01:10PM[/editline] totally talking about shit without having anything to back it up.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the wonderful world of faith and text written eons ago.
[QUOTE=Archy;21289700]besides the billions of people who believe in it right[/QUOTE] That's not evidence of anything. That's just an appeal to popular belief logical fallacy. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum[/url] So the bible is still talking without shit to back it up, your move.
Many of the people in this thread are idiots. It seems to me that many people here think that just because dawkins says it will happen means it will happen. I'm willing to bet that either, dawkins does nothing, or makes a complete fool of himself. Yes, Maybe , he arrested a Chilean dictator. Population of Chile is around 16 million. The world population of Catholics is 1.5 Billion. Not to mention Catholics are world-wide. If he does pull this off it will be a remarkable feat, however I highly doubt it.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21288566]Teaching good morals like saying "Love me or I will fucking torture you for eternity" is cool, blind faith is good, authorities are always right and you should not think for yourself and your life doesn't matter, you're going to heaven anyways (which is probably not true). [editline]04:18PM[/editline] And that's just the New Testament.[/QUOTE] Dude, god killing massive amounts of people is the Old Testament.
[QUOTE=Factory;21289727]Many of the people in this thread are idiots. It seems to me that just because dawkins says it will happen means it will happen. I'm willing to bet that either dawkins does nothing, or makes a complete fool of himself. Yes, Maybe , he arrested a Chilean dictator. Population of Chile is 16 million. The world population of Catholics is 1.5 Billion. Not to mention Catholics are world-wide. If he does pull this off it will be a remarkable feat, however I highly doubt it.[/QUOTE] The wonder of modern government is that we can arrest someone for breaking the law despite them having popular support.
[QUOTE=Archy;21289700]besides the billions of people who believe in it right[/QUOTE] That's like a group of people saying 10 years ago we didn't have to sleep. Therefore 10 years ago we didn't need sleep. [editline]01:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=admiral_Cola;21289734]Dude, god killing massive amounts of people is the Old Testament.[/QUOTE] Mainly yeah. Revalations: The biggest most violent bunch of shit e'er
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21289781]The wonder of modern government is that we can arrest someone for breaking the law despite them having popular support.[/QUOTE] Sometimes. Justice is tainted in today's world, and while I'd love to see this pope rot in jail, I seriously doubt it will happen.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;21285673]He was awesome, i'm sure that even atheists loved him[/QUOTE] It's true, I loved him, he seemed like a gentle old man.
[QUOTE=Factory;21289842]Sometimes. Justice is tainted in today's world, and while I'd love to see this pope rot in jail, I seriously doubt it will happen.[/QUOTE] I can really see this going either way.
Sometimes I wish to be a secret assassin I'd just kill him [editline]01:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;21289879]I can really see this going either way.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21289879]I can really see this going either way.[/QUOTE] I can't at all. My mental scale is heavily weighted with the pope going free.
[QUOTE=Factory;21289944]I can't at all. My mental scale is heavily weighted with the pope going free.[/QUOTE] I think there's a good chance of him being scared off from visiting at the least. I personally don't see that as him going free.
Go dawkins!
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21289719]That's not evidence of anything. That's just an appeal to popular belief logical fallacy. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum[/url] So the bible is still talking without shit to back it up, your move.[/QUOTE] what do you expect out of a book over 4000 years old, that's also been translated and reinterpreted hundreds of times over
I hate Dawkins, but that's pretty kickass of him.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21288498]The Catholic Church never said anything against the nazis either btw.[/QUOTE] They went further than that. [url]http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Image:Concordat.jpg[/url] The Concordat between the Vatican and the Nazis Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII) signs the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican at a formal ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. Nazi Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen sits at the left, Pacelli in the middle, and the Rudolf Buttmann sits at the right. The Concordat effectively legitimized Hitler and the Nazi government to the eyes of Catholicism, Christianity, and the world.
[QUOTE=Archy;21290477]what do you expect out of a book over 4000 years old[/QUOTE] Uh. Nothing, which is why only an idiot would believe anything written in it.
This will just make atheists look bad, but will still be awesome
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