• Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;21290547]Uh. Nothing, which is why only an idiot would believe anything written in it.[/QUOTE] look, it's an old book there's almost definitely going to be missing parts nothing to get all excited about
[QUOTE=Archy;21290565]look, it's an old book there's almost definitely going to be missing parts nothing to get all excited about[/QUOTE] Why not just accept that the bible is bullshit?
[QUOTE=Archy;21290565]look, it's an old book there's almost definitely going to be missing parts nothing to get all excited about[/QUOTE] So is the Odyssey, but you don't see me running my life off it or worshiping the adventures of Odysseus. I don't see why anyone would believe a book written by a bunch of people 4000 years ago.
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Look religion has had its time and place. Religion was an essential component to life up until massive organized religion of the Middle ages. It provided the tools to which live in accord with the rest of society. Don't do bad shit or god will smite you. It helped develop ordered civilization at a faster pace. Then the middle ages rolls around and religion becomes a massive organized entity only concerned with money and power. Then it starts killing dissenters and non-supporters en masse. The Renaissance should have been the final point of religion in earnest; the Renaissance was the dawning of the individual and modern science.
[QUOTE=sYnced;21290696]How do you get hard-ons for little boys[/QUOTE] Become a priest.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;21290706]Look religion has had its time and place. Religion was an essential component to life up until massive organized religion of the Middle ages. It provided the tools to which live in accord with the rest of society. Don't do bad shit or god will smite you. It helped develop ordered civilization at a faster pace. Then the middle ages rolls around and religion becomes a massive organized entity only concerned with money and power. Then it starts killing dissenters and non-supporters en masse. The Renaissance should have been the final point of religion in earnest; the Renaissance was the dawning of the individual and modern science.[/QUOTE] The ironic thing is Dawkins is trying to turn atheism into some big organized group. Does he even remember why he hates religion in the first place?
[QUOTE=Mexican;21290738]The ironic thing is Dawkins is trying to turn atheism into some big organized group. Does he even remember why he hates religion in the first place?[/QUOTE] What's wrong with an organization based around atheism? I for one would love to go on an atheist equivalent of a mission trip. Do good for people but without all the god stuff. [editline]02:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Archy;21290565]look, it's an old book there's almost definitely going to be missing parts nothing to get all excited about[/QUOTE] Wow you're slow
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21290547]Uh. Nothing, which is why only an idiot would believe anything written in it.[/QUOTE] Even a pope made a council of important superbishops and folks like that, and they came out with something like "The Bible is not a science book, or a history book: it's a faith book. The Church should stay out of scientists' business and vice versa" If I remember correctly, it was John 23. A badass pope who tried to definitely shut creationists up and didn't afraid of anything.
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;21290805]Even a pope made a council of important superbishops and folks like that, and they came out with something like "The Bible is not a science book, or a history book: it's a faith book. The Church should stay out of scientists' business and vice versa" If I remember correctly, it was John 23. A badass pope who tried to definitely shut creationists up and didn't afraid of anything.[/QUOTE] how does this have anything to do with what he posted?
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;21290706]Look religion has had its time and place. Religion was an essential component to life up until massive organized religion of the Middle ages. It provided the tools to which live in accord with the rest of society. Don't do bad shit or god will smite you. It helped develop ordered civilization at a faster pace. Then the middle ages rolls around and religion becomes a massive organized entity only concerned with money and power. Then it starts killing dissenters and non-supporters en masse. The Renaissance should have been the final point of religion in earnest; [B]the Renaissance was the dawning of the individual and modern science.[/B][/QUOTE] Classical Greece...
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21290762]What's wrong with an organization based around atheism? I for one would love to go on an atheist equivalent of a mission trip. Do good for people but without all the god stuff.[/QUOTE] Because the fact that people joined an organized religion is what leads to all the bad shit that said organizations end up doing. That would just be a charity and that's okay. Like it's fine if you and a bunch of Atheist buds go feed people. But the things Dawkins does like criticizing Christian camps and then making an Atheist camp are just so hypocritical.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21290826]Because the fact that people joined an organized religion is what leads to all the bad shit that said organizations end up doing. That would just be a charity and that's okay. Like it's fine if you and a bunch of Atheist buds go feed people. But the things Dawkins does like criticizing Christian camps and then making an Atheist camp are just so hypocritical.[/QUOTE] Eh. I see where you're coming from, but I'd say that it's easily debatable. I wouldn't know what an atheist camp would be like, but if it's instilling values like logic and reason then I hardly see how it's bad. If it's demeaning religion, and you don't like it, don't go. It's not really hypocritical to make something against your opposition. That's like saying country A makes an army, and country B is hypocritical for criticizing A's army, but making their own B army.
[QUOTE=Billiam;21290824]Classical Greece...[/QUOTE] I suppose you're right, but the Renaissance was by far the most successful. It's the pivot point for the entire shift of individualism in the western world. Greece was pretty my self contained.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;21290976]I suppose you're right, but the Renaissance was by far the most successful. It's the pivot point for the entire shift of individualism in the western world. [B]Greece was pretty my self contained[/B].[/QUOTE] And, when faced with Rome, quite conquerable.
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[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21290964]Eh. I see where you're coming from, but I'd say that it's easily debatable. I wouldn't know what an atheist camp would be like, but if it's instilling values like logic and reason then I hardly see how it's bad. If it's demeaning religion, and you don't like it, don't go. It's not really hypocritical to make something against your opposition. That's like saying country A makes an army, and country B is hypocritical for criticizing A's army, but making their own B army.[/QUOTE] Okay, hypothetical situation. Atheism gets organized. Eventually it becomes the majority organization in some area. Now with a majority comes the masses, and we all know how easy to manipulate they are. Someone rises to power and decides to use said masses to his own gains, takes lands, persecutes non-believers etc. Atheism is now a mockery of what it originally stood for just like every other major religion has become. A tool to control masses. And that's why Atheism should stay an independent philosophy and it's organization must be prevented, because Atheists need to realize that it isn't belief in a deity that makes people do horrible things, it's commitment to an organization.
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;21290805]"The Bible is not a science book, or a history book: it's a faith book. The Church should stay out of scientists' business and vice versa"[/QUOTE] I really like that quote. I consider myself to hold fundamentally atheist beliefs, but I try to put myself apart from the likes of most facepunch anti-theists as much as possible. I'm technically ignostic; I consider 'god' or something a possibility, but I don't believe any religions have hit the nail on the head, yet. That being said, I think religion is an absolutely beautiful phenomenon, and some of the things my granddad says concerning his Christian beliefs are just wonderful. He's the kind of Christian who you can really admire: he considers his beliefs very thoroughly and they make perfect sense, even alongside science.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21291145]Okay, hypothetical situation. Atheism gets organized. Eventually it becomes the majority organization in some area. Now with a majority comes the masses, and we all know how easy to manipulate they are. Someone rises to power and decides to use said masses to his own gains, takes lands, persecutes non-believers etc. Atheism is now a mockery of what it originally stood for just like every other major religion has become. A tool to control masses. And that's why Atheism should stay an independent philosophy and it's organization must be prevented, because Atheists need to realize that it isn't belief in a deity that makes people do horrible things, it's commitment to an organization.[/QUOTE] Okay, hypothetical situation. Atheism gets organized. Eventually becomes the majority in many countries. Years later, everyone has their personal rights. Scientists can work unobstructed by religion. Technological singularity is reached. I can make up stories too.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21290738]The ironic thing is Dawkins is trying to turn atheism into some big organized group. Does he even remember why he hates religion in the first place?[/QUOTE] He hates religion because it's not true and harmful, not because it's a big organized group. Why would that matter?
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;21290805]Even a pope made a council of important superbishops and folks like that, and they came out with something like [b]"The Bible is not a science book, or a history book: it's a faith book. The Church should stay out of scientists' business and vice versa"[/b] If I remember correctly, it was John 23. A badass pope who tried to definitely shut creationists up and didn't afraid of anything.[/QUOTE] Faith is stupid at best. The very definition of faith is believing in something without any supporting evidence, which is illogical. So he might as well be saying the bible is an illogical book, which it is. Logic and reasoning are the end all.
I think most church affiliates should be arrested for poisoning the minds of impressionable children.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21291145]Okay, hypothetical situation. Atheism gets organized. Eventually it becomes the majority organization in some area. Now with a majority comes the masses, and we all know how easy to manipulate they are. Someone rises to power and decides to use said masses to his own gains, takes lands, persecutes non-believers etc. Atheism is now a mockery of what it originally stood for just like every other major religion has become. A tool to control masses. And that's why Atheism should stay an independent philosophy and it's organization must be prevented, because Atheists need to realize that it isn't belief in a deity that makes people do horrible things, it's commitment to an organization.[/QUOTE] Atheism does not stand for anything other than the lack of belief in a god. That's all.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21291145]Okay, hypothetical situation. Atheism gets organized. Eventually it becomes the majority organization in some area. Now with a majority comes the masses, and we all know how easy to manipulate they are. Someone rises to power and decides to use said masses to his own gains, takes lands, persecutes non-believers etc. Atheism is now a mockery of what it originally stood for just like every other major religion has become. A tool to control masses. And that's why Atheism should stay an independent philosophy and it's organization must be prevented, because Atheists need to realize that it isn't belief in a deity that makes people do horrible things, it's commitment to an organization.[/QUOTE] Based on the philosophies of atheism, I highly doubt that this will happen. Atheism isn't going to wind up being something that you dedicate yourself to. It's an independent philosophy, yes. But groups based around it aren't going to automatically grow, gain power, and become a corrupt institution. [editline]02:58PM[/editline] [QUOTE=sp00ks;21291537]Atheism does not stand for anything other than the lack of belief in a god. That's all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Robbobin;21291181]I really like that quote. I consider myself to hold fundamentally atheist beliefs, but I try to put myself apart from the likes of most facepunch anti-theists as much as possible. I'm technically ignostic; I consider 'god' or something a possibility, but I don't believe any religions have hit the nail on the head, yet. That being said, I think religion is an absolutely beautiful phenomenon, and some of the things my granddad says concerning his Christian beliefs are just wonderful. He's the kind of Christian who you can really admire: he considers his beliefs very thoroughly and they make perfect sense, even alongside science.[/QUOTE] But why should religion not undergo the same scrutiny as everything else? Oh I know, because then we see how obvious it is that it's all made up.
[QUOTE=OvB;21290681]So is the Odyssey, but you don't see me running my life off it or worshiping the adventures of Odysseus. I don't see why anyone would believe a book written by a bunch of people 4000 years ago.[/QUOTE] This would be a badass religion fyi
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21291537]Atheism does not stand for anything other than the lack of belief in a god. That's all.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure most atheists also stand for stopping organized religions from running shit based on their beliefs.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21291595]Pretty sure most atheists also stand for stopping organized religions from running shit based on their beliefs.[/QUOTE] Can you stop pulling shit out of your ass?
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21291545]Based on the philosophies of atheism, I highly doubt that this will happen. Atheism isn't going to wind up being something that you dedicate yourself to. It's an independent philosophy, yes. But groups based around it aren't going to automatically grow, gain power, and become a corrupt institution.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm saying the meaning will in fact be twisted if you let it be organized. Kind of like how Christianity went from a few hippies preaching peace and love to a global movement for dominance through crusading.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21291611]Can you stop pulling shit out of your ass?[/QUOTE] I can't, shit comes out of my ass. Not under my control. [QUOTE=sYnced;21290696]How do you get hard-ons for little boys[/QUOTE] Same way people get hard ons from peeing on people, furry porn and hairy guys.
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