[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292145]There's always someone willing to take an idea, and warp it to his/her own intentions. Sure it would start out ok, then you'd get some people who want to take their ideals to the extreme eg: kill everyone who doesn't think just like us.[/QUOTE]
I'm willing to take that risk.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292145]There's always someone willing to take an idea, and warp it to his/her own intentions. Sure it would start out ok, then you'd get some people who want to take their ideals to the extreme eg: kill everyone who doesn't think just like us.[/QUOTE]
how is a group based on not believing in god going to get power?
it makes no sense
not that i actually believe it would happen, as an atheist organization would be able to balance it self much easier, and who's to say there would be one person in power?
I broke Kybalts automerge lol
[QUOTE=evilweazel;21292164]No matter how much we need it to happen, this guy is a huge pussy and won't do shit, he's only saying things.[/QUOTE]
How is Richard Dawkins a pussy?
Do you know who he is?
your a dick bro
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21292117]You keep turning Atheism into a belief, but you never say what that belief would be based on. I would imagine it would be based on logic and reasoning.[/QUOTE]
Atheism is a belief that there is no god. Saying that logically we don't know would probably fall more into agnosticism.
By the way don't think I'm saying "This is going to happen for sure" I'm just saying it's quite possible and it's the same thing that ruined other philosophical beliefs. Prior to organization
[QUOTE=stone555;21292063]
A) It has no dogma
B) It's a view on one particular subject
C) A religion has multiple views on multiple subjects.[/QUOTE]
applied to all other beliefs as well. Organization is what made them corrupt into religions.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292203]Also why is it that people can't just be tolerant? I'm christian, yet I don't ask others to convert, i don't condemn anyone who doesn't share my faith, and yet everyone looks at JUST the extremists, and says "those are bad people"[/QUOTE]
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
[QUOTE=DrPharmacist;21283118]Watch them arrest them, then they find proof of CP in his quarters or where ever it lives.[/QUOTE]
The Vatican.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21292235]Atheism is a belief that there is no god. [b]Saying that logically we don't know would probably fall more into agnosticism.[/b]
By the way don't think I'm saying "This is going to happen for sure" I'm just saying it's quite possible and it's the same thing that ruined other philosophical beliefs. Prior to organization
applied to all other beliefs as well. Organization is what made them corrupt into religions.[/QUOTE]
Do I really fucking have to explain this? Agnosticism is simply stating that we can never know for certain. However, that fucking applies to everything. However, logic is some fucking good shit, like for example, if something has no fucking evidence, then it may as well not fucking exist huh? So if something has no evidence, then it's only logical to not believe in it right? You bet your ass it is. However, if evidence is presented then yeah, re-evaluate everything logically, etc etc. While the absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence, it's also enough to come to a logical conclusion of non existence.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292203]Also why is it that people can't just be tolerant? I'm christian, yet I don't ask others to convert, i don't condemn anyone who doesn't share my faith, and yet everyone looks at JUST the extremists, and says "those are bad people"[/QUOTE]
I'm going to speak my personal opinion here.
Religion, especially based on the Judeo-Christian God, is stupid. Religion is an old tradition that, despite having it's uses (kickstarting science etc), is useless now. The sooner we can get rid of it, the better. Why do I think this? Because now it does more harm than good. You can't say charity is a benefit of religion, because if there was a way to go on a mission trip minus the Jesus bullshit, I would hop right on board. All it does today is limit humanities ability to progress. It's slowing us down by inherently limiting our outlook on things, and forcing us to its confines.
It is not a good thing. Religious tolerance is, if you're true to your religion, bullshit. Pick and choose is an awful concept, and all it does is keep people from opening up their minds and desiring to better understand the world we live in, and making it better for everyone.
Yeah humanistttttttt rant
most that will happen is that he will get kicked out the country.
but that will be cool none the less
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292271]See i can understand wanting to get rid of EXTREMIST religion, shit's scary as fuck, but moderate religion isn't a bad thing, as long as no one forces their views upon another, i'd say it'd be perfectly fine.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure you totally missed my point. Oh and to be honest, I respect people who follow the bible literally much more then the people who pick and choose. However, it's a moot point as both beliefs are irrational.
Anyway, my point was that by believing in your "moderate" Christianity, you still support those extremist Christians, whether or not you want to.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21292380]Anyway, my point was that by believing in your "moderate" Christianity, you still support those extremist Christians, whether or not you want to.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no it's not. "Christian" isn't a group. It's an umbrella term that covers multiple churches and beliefs.
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;21292320]However, if evidence is presented then yeah, re-evaluate everything logically, etc etc. While the absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence, it's also enough to come to a logical conclusion of non existence.[/QUOTE]
That's scientific method, we're talking about shit that science can't possibly apply to either way.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292387]So allowing people to have their own faiths, which help them get through life is.. a bad thing? What happened to that whole "freedom of religion" thing. You can be religious and still tolerant, hell i know several atheists, jews, and muslims, and we all get along, why? Because we all just accept that we have different beliefs, and get over it.[/QUOTE]
Why can't you just accept what the actual truth to the universe is, instead of making up fairy tales about it? Religion is dumb, it's like giving a kid a loaded gun, there's good chance nothing bad will happen, but does that justify giving him the gun in the first place? No. Same with religion, it's illogical, even if it helps you get through life, it's the justification Bob needed to go and shoot up an abortion clinic. Is that really worth it?
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[QUOTE=Mexican;21292427]Uh, no it's not. "Christian" isn't a group. It's an umbrella term that covers multiple churches and beliefs.
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[b]That's scientific method, we're talking about shit that science can't possibly apply to either way.[/b][/QUOTE]
The scientific method can be applied to everything that is real.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21292485]The scientific method can be applied to everything that is real.[/QUOTE]
It can't be applied to this at all. It can be applied to specific individual stories in holy books, but it can't be applied to the entire concept of a being with limitless power.
I will suck Richard Dawkins' cock if he pulls this off.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292523]Of course its worth it, to some people, religion is the only thing that keeps them from killing themselves. Hard logic is great, when your talking about science, but when you start talking about people, you cant apply hard logic to it, since humans are irrational by nature. Sure there are crazies out there, but there are crazy atheists too, who would be glad to blow up a church or two.[/QUOTE]
If religion is the only thing keeping them going, then they should see a fucking therapist. You can apply hard logic to people's beliefs. Humans may be irrational by nature, but we're fucking sentient now, so we can do whatever the fuck we want, and make rational decisions.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21292534]It can't be applied to this at all. It can be applied to specific individual stories in holy books, but it can't be applied to the entire concept of a being with limitless power.[/QUOTE]
That concept is a logic loop, like the statement ''everything i say is a lie".
Therefore it's [U][B]irrelevant[/B][/U].
I hope this happens...it's gonna be so awesome if it does. :rock:
[QUOTE=Reborn9;21292587]That concept is a logic loop, like the statement ''everything i say is a lie".
Therefore it's [U][B]irrelevant[/B][/U].[/QUOTE]
If it's irrelevant than why does everyone feel the need to guess what the truth is and make assumptions when in the end it doesn't matter
[QUOTE=Mexican;21292534]It can't be applied to this at all. It can be applied to specific individual stories in holy books, [b]but it can't be applied to the entire concept of a being with limitless power.[/b][/QUOTE]
Oh really? Well watch this fucking shit.
There is no evidence for the existence of your "being with limitless power", therefore he doesn't exist as anything more then a concept.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21292633]If it's irrelevant than why does everyone feel the need to guess what the truth is and make assumptions when in the end it doesn't matter[/QUOTE]
Because the need to show that your belief is correct becomes necessary when you start justifying actions with said belief.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292387]So allowing people to have their own faiths, which help them get through life is.. a bad thing? What happened to that whole "freedom of religion" thing. You can be religious and still tolerant, hell i know several atheists, jews, and muslims, and we all get along, why? Because we all just accept that we have different beliefs, and get over it.[/QUOTE]
What about the people who don't get along? They seem to be the ones always in power, because they have the drive to convert/exterminate everyone else but their own people.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21292659]Because the need to show that your belief is correct becomes necessary when you start justifying actions with said belief.[/QUOTE]
Having a belief in the first place is illogical.
And don't pull that "hurr guy with a gun" shit because guess what there isn't a guy with a gun.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292654]Not everyone is rational by nature, you keep assuming that everyone is some sort emotionless being. Since we're ruled by our emotions, you CAN'T apply hard logic to a persons actions most of the time. So tell me again, why can't we all just get along? Because i'm sure we'd all get along just fine if noone forced their views on one another, this applies to science. Sure i might not like some new scientific thing, but i'm not going to dedicate my life to destroying it, how would MODERATE (no bullshit bombing clinics, no bullshit protests) religion be bad at all?[/QUOTE]
Why can't we all just get along? Because at some point person A wants to do something, and it offends person B's beliefs.
Moderate religion is still irrational. Religious beliefs aren't an impulse decision, which is where it's acceptable to make an irrational decision based on human nature instinct what have you, religious beliefs are something that be thought over.
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[QUOTE=Mexican;21292684]Having a belief in the first place is illogical.
And don't pull that "hurr guy with a gun" shit because guess what there isn't a guy with a gun.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you talking about. Yes, having a belief without evidence would be illogical.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21292724]What the fuck are you talking about. Yes, having a belief without evidence would be illogical.[/QUOTE]
Since you've been spending the whole time bashing theists and acting like you're this super logical critical thinker, I'll just say it: agnostic is the most logical, because they don't know, and they don't care.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;21292763]With a moderate view, it wouldn't matter if something went against your beliefs, you'd get over it and not raise hell about it.[/QUOTE]
You what, that's fantastic, but it's still illogical to have a belief without evidence. Going onto an extreme here, wouldn't you say that it wouldn't be bad to lose a possible brilliant scientist just because he is religious, and it would be "wrong" to show him why his beliefs are incorrect?
[QUOTE=Mexican;21292823]Since you've been spending the whole time bashing theists and acting like you're this super logical critical thinker, I'll just say it: agnostic is the most logical, because they don't know, and they don't care.[/QUOTE]
Should we be agnostic about the existence of unicorns too?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21292935]Should we be agnostic about the existence of unicorns too?[/QUOTE]
Yes, try to disprove it.
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