• "Fuck me, or go to jail" — State Trooper gets just 6 months for raping car accident victim
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[QUOTE=Lolkork;49873401]Sex offenders aren't animals [/QUOTE] Hard to convince me. Rapists made their choice. They decided to ruin someone else's life permanently for their own gain. The fact that we even consider letting them back into society is appalling. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;49873440]Dangerous enough to lock them away for 20 years, especially on their first offense?[/QUOTE] Well if they didn't rape someone maybe they wouldn't be considered dangerous, would they. Should we just slap them on the wrists and say "Hey we better not catch you raping someone again!"
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49873431]I actually think people can change (psychopaths are a completely different thing, they are barely people, I bet that at least 99% of sex offenders arent psychopaths), if they are deemed to not be dangerous I think they should have the chance to return to society[/QUOTE] I absolutely disagree. Yes, people can change, but usually they need an incentive to change (so, a hefty sentence instead of a slap on the wrist.) I'm pretty sure that more than 1% of sex offenders are psychopaths, even more once you consider people who match enough of the criteria to be deemed at-risk for psychopathy. That's an interesting question, though. What are we doing to decide whether people are or are not safe to return to society?
[QUOTE=Penultimate;49873408]I don't have any specific citations. That's essentially my opinion from the various psychology classes and readings I've done. [I]The Psychopath Whisperer[/I] talks about psychopathic brains and how the part that controls/influences/processes emotions has atrophied. So with psychopaths, a jail sentence can't un-atrophy their brain, so they'll get out and commit the same crimes. Psychopaths are also incapable of learning, so whether you give them five weeks or five years, they'll go out and do it again regardless.[/QUOTE] I've been formulating a hypothesis about serial killers and stuff like that for a while now, which basically states: 1.) When people finally snap, they will snap in one of two directions: one is self-loathing which leads to suicide, the other is loathing society, which leads to the worst of crimes against humanity. 2.) There's no such thing as un-snapping. I've generally questioned whether you could fix a serial killer or something like that, and I've never been convinced that they could ever be rehabilitated. We aren't advanced enough with psychology to ever fix people like that and even if we could, that's super dangerous. At most, I've always been for studying them but that's illegal, and unlike others I don't think all life is valuable. (Yup, that's right, I'm actually against that part of human rights. Stone me.) And while I know a lot of rape victims and stuff like that, I have to say that rape is probably a notch underneath that, and I'm wondering if we could consider rape as a "mental snap". For me, I always pictured the point of no return being murder, and it's an interesting thought to try and place that before murder. Can a rapist be rehabilitated? I mean, I don't think this guy impulsively went after this girl in an uncontrollably frenzy. I think he carefully calculated this plan and executed it. But does that mean that his mind is already ruined if he's willing to go through with that?
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;49873440]Dangerous enough to lock them away for 20 years, especially on their first offense?[/QUOTE] Rape is not a crime like shop lifting where you get a slap on the wrist for the first time. There is no "You should know better next time!" Rape is very fucking serious and is up there with homicide as one of the most heinous crimes you can commit.
New Alabama State Police training. [t]http://i.imgur.com/PG7Mn8g.png[/t]
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49873501]New Alabama State Police training. [t]http://i.imgur.com/PG7Mn8g.png[/t][/QUOTE] Lol saw that. Pretty sure it was a joke. New liberty brief in Japan I bet.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49873431]I actually think people can change (psychopaths are a completely different thing, they are barely people, I bet that at least 99% of sex offenders arent psychopaths), if they are deemed to not be dangerous I think they should have the chance to return to society[/QUOTE] Sex offenders is such a broad term. Streaking, 18 year old fucking 17 year old, looking at strange porn, etc. [I]Rapists[/I] should be harshly punished.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49873483]I've been formulating a hypothesis about serial killers and stuff like that for a while now, which basically states: 1.) When people finally snap, they will snap in one of two directions: one is self-loathing which leads to suicide, the other is loathing society, which leads to the worst of crimes against humanity. 2.) There's no such thing as un-snapping. -Don't want to quote it all-[/QUOTE] That's really interesting. I definitely think there's no such thing as un-snapping. For example, with drug addiction, even if someone's been sober for ten years, they'll still always be addicted. Rape, to me, always seems to be far less "heat of the moment." There's always a level of planning, always a level of analysis of who the best victim is, always a level of "how do I avoid punishment" to it that murder doesn't always have. Nobody rapes in self-defense, you know? And that's how I tend to look at it. Like you said, psychology just isn't advanced far enough to be able to tell whether someone's curable or not.
Regardless of what people think of this ex-cop and how he should be treated, why exactly should it matter if this guy was a human or an animal? I mean, obviously, he's biologically human, but honestly, I really don't think whatever species he belongs to should factor into how people feel about him. It's pretty clear that humans as a whole are capable of doing fucked up shit and aren't exactly perfectly moral beings, anyway.
The thing is you've got to keep rape sentences significantly lower than homicide sentences, otherwise rapists will take their chances and kill their victims to have a better shot at getting away with it.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49873508]Indefinite time with an reevaluation every decade is a hefty sentence and a good incentive to become better.[/QUOTE] I agree with that. At least for some crimes, like rape and murder, that would be far better than our "egg timer" system. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;49873546]The thing is you've got to keep rape sentences significantly lower than homicide sentences, otherwise rapists will take their chances and kill their victims to have a better shot at getting away with it.[/QUOTE] I think if someone's going to kill someone else, they're going to do it anyway, regardless of the jail sentence. You're also forgetting that rape can amount to attempted/completed murder because of how much damage is done to the body.
crazy to think that this person not only got into a car accident, but was raped afterwards. You COULD recover from a car crash, but chances are you don't. You don't recover from rape. Both pretty much stick with you forever. you have to be in an extremely fucked up state to want to scar someone for life, directly after their life was just ruined This guy doesn't deserve jail time. No, he needs life bound to a psych/rehab ward where he legally has to visit it at least twice a week for evaluation. First year he stays. Maybe more years if needed. Jail time as well if needed. You can't punish someone who would do this type of shit, but you can pull them out of society and see what's wrong with them.
[QUOTE=_Axel;49873546]The thing is you've got to keep rape sentences significantly lower than homicide sentences, otherwise rapists will take their chances and kill their victims to have a better shot at getting away with it.[/QUOTE] That's really oversimplifying the matter. You're assuming all rapists also have the capacity for murder and we also we know that rapes are usually commited by someone the victim knows or is acquainted with. Rape is almost always much more complicated than a stranger in an alley scenario. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;49873661]crazy to think that this person not only got into a car accident, but was raped afterwards. You COULD recover from a car crash, but chances are you don't. You don't recover from rape. Both pretty much stick with you forever. you have to be in an extremely fucked up state to want to scar someone for life, directly after their life was just ruined This guy doesn't deserve jail time. No, he needs life bound to a psych/rehab ward where he legally has to visit it at least twice a week for evaluation. First year he stays. Maybe more years if needed. You can't punish someone who would do this type of shit, but you can pull them out of society and see what's wrong with them.[/QUOTE] Psychiatric illness does not always mean you are not accountable for your actions. This is also assuming he has some sort of Psychiatric diagnosis because he commited rape. There are fucked up people in the world and their actions deserve to be punished there's no need to think that every fucked up thing someone does is motivated by some deep seated psychiatric illness. If he is sick he can receive treatment in prison.
[QUOTE=_Axel;49873546]The thing is you've got to keep rape sentences significantly lower than homicide sentences, otherwise rapists will take their chances and kill their victims to have a better shot at getting away with it.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't they get charged with rape and homicide?
[QUOTE=J!NX;49873661]crazy to think that this person not only got into a car accident, but was raped afterwards. You COULD recover from a car crash, but chances are you don't. You don't recover from rape. Both pretty much stick with you forever. you have to be in an extremely fucked up state to want to scar someone for life, directly after their life was just ruined This guy doesn't deserve jail time. No, he needs life bound to a psych/rehab ward where he legally has to visit it at least twice a week for evaluation. First year he stays. Maybe more years if needed. Jail time as well if needed. You can't punish someone who would do this type of shit, but you can pull them out of society and see what's wrong with them.[/QUOTE] You assume mental illness as if sane people can't just be assholes.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49873690] Psychiatric illness does not always mean you are not accountable for your actions. This is also assuming he has some sort of Psychiatric diagnosis because he commited rape. There are fucked up people in the world and their actions deserve to be punished there's no need to think that every fucked up thing someone does is motivated by some deep seated psychiatric illness. If he is sick he can receive treatment in prison.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49873950]You assume mental illness as if sane people can't just be assholes.[/QUOTE] to be fair, can you blame me? it does take a pretty fucked person to do this sort of thing, mental illness or not saying he's just mentally ill makes it easier to believe someone would actually do it to boot
[QUOTE=The golden;49874089]Abusing a position of authority such a police officer should carry massive punishments. I'm so fucking tired of officers getting bullshit sentences for horrific acts. Sorry I have zero sympathy. Not only did he just abuse it, he fucking raped a woman who got into a car accident. I would honestly just prefer he be shot, sorry. Come at me with whatever comebacks you want but I'm not changing that opinion.[/QUOTE] I used to have much more of a boner for saving all life but I don't see the point anymore. Outside of the fact that our justice system is super garbage and not trustworthy, I've got no reason to really rally against the death penalty. I wouldn't feel anything if this guy dies.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49873661]You COULD recover from a car crash, but chances are you don't.[/QUOTE] What? What the heck kind of car crashes have you been in? The VAST majority of them don't result in paralysis or PTSD.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49873508]Indefinite time with an reevaluation every decade is a hefty sentence and a good incentive to become better.[/QUOTE] I actually am inclined to agree with this. I do think that an opportunity to reduce sentence or be readmitted to society is important for criminals. I do believe people like that can change. However, in this case, a sentence of 20 years at minimum I believe is very much justified because an authority committing a rape is not just a crime against the individual, but is a violation against the justice system itself. These people are specifically given special legal rights greater than our own because we expect them to use those powers appropriately. When they do not, that puts the entire justice system into question which has even worse implications than the rape itself.
[QUOTE=Penultimate;49873533]That's really interesting. I definitely think there's no such thing as un-snapping. For example, with drug addiction, even if someone's been sober for ten years, they'll still always be addicted. Rape, to me, always seems to be far less "heat of the moment." There's always a level of planning, always a level of analysis of who the best victim is, always a level of "how do I avoid punishment" to it that murder doesn't always have. Nobody rapes in self-defense, you know? And that's how I tend to look at it. Like you said, psychology just isn't advanced far enough to be able to tell whether someone's curable or not.[/QUOTE] Uhmm not to get off topic but that's not how addiction works dude
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49875785]Uhmm not to get off topic but that's not how addiction works dude[/QUOTE] What do you mean? I don't have any official degrees or anything, so feel free to correct me. My understanding was that addiction was rewiring the reward centers in your brain to hinge on you getting something, most of the time a chemical or something.
[QUOTE=Apache249;49872801]"Fuck me or go to jail" That... doesn't make any sense.[/QUOTE] Do you not know about double jail?
[QUOTE=Penultimate;49875980]What do you mean? I don't have any official degrees or anything, so feel free to correct me. My understanding was that addiction was rewiring the reward centers in your brain to hinge on you getting something, most of the time a chemical or something.[/QUOTE] That's accurate, but you gotta remember that your brain has an element of plasticity. Yes your brain learns to reward you for chemical use, but given time your brain can also rewire itself to reward you for other things. It's why people say that exercise helped em quit cigs, it's VERY rare that your brain just says 'nope this is permenant', which is why the other posters theory of 'people snap and cant recover' is so laughable. It just shows a basic misunderstanding of psychology. His 'theory' is based purely on ideas he's pulled from thin air, basically
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49875785]Uhmm not to get off topic but that's not how addiction works dude[/QUOTE] I think it's closer to how it is. Alcoholics don't "cure" their addiction, they make it manageable so they don't feed into it. Feeding into it at any time can send them right back into the endless cycle of fulfilling that addiction, and the addiction can still cause withdrawal symptoms for a very long time after their last drink. [editline]5th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;49876432]That's accurate, but you gotta remember that your brain has an element of plasticity. Yes your brain learns to reward you for chemical use, but given time your brain can also rewire itself to reward you for other things. It's why people say that exercise helped em quit cigs, it's VERY rare that your brain just says 'nope this is permenant', which is why the other posters theory of 'people snap and cant recover' is so laughable. It just shows a basic misunderstanding of psychology. His 'theory' is based purely on ideas he's pulled from thin air, basically[/QUOTE] It takes an unscientific person to confuse "hypothesis" with "theory", I'm afraid. I suggested my hypothesis based on the fact that even with people like Jeffery Dahmer "recovering", they're not safe people by any means and are super unstable, requiring endless work that will never grant him access to society. (Or at least it wouldn't have if he wasn't killed in jail first.) You can attempt to rehabilitate Charles Manson but he's not coming out and he's not suitable to come out. That's what I'm alluding to with that "permanent snap". It's permanent in that they're never going to be suitable for return to society with the current state of psychology. Once you pass a certain point, there isn't any going back.
The concept of a permenant break is exactly what holds our mental care system back so much 'lol nothing we can do lock em up!' I'll listen to the hypotheses of specialists, not fp posters
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49873459]Hard to convince me. Rapists made their choice. They decided to ruin someone else's life permanently for their own gain. The fact that we even consider letting them back into society is appalling. [/QUOTE] Yeah we might as well fucking shoot them! Here in Denmark we seldom lock up [I]murderers[/I] for more than 14 years, and rapists didn't kill anyone. You guys are so progressive we might as well bring back the electrical chair.
The justice system is such a joke. [quote]A Sex Offender, A Cop, and a Prisoner walk into a bar. The Bartender says "Hello Officer McHenry, what can I get for you?"[/quote] It's that kind of joke.
it sucks that cops always get away without being held fully accountable for their crimes.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49873431]I actually think people can change (psychopaths are a completely different thing, they are barely people, I bet that at least 99% of sex offenders arent psychopaths), if they are deemed to not be dangerous I think they should have the chance to return to society[/QUOTE] The rape of this case seems to be driven by very psychopathic behavior.
the sentence is low, but he at least wont be able to find a job very easily.
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