I know this is outrageous and a massive breach of privacy but there are over 60,000,000 people in this country and all this means is that if a person is suspected of terrorism / other law breaking, the police will have instant access to all they need without waiting. So I don't think anyone here has to worry unless you're a terrorist
You people are exaggerating what really isn't that big of a deal. The article wording is slightly to blame but you're once again all angry at an article with the focus being on conservatives.
What this would give the state the ability to do is effectively a police search warrant so they can view a specific person's information, which is entirely not what you all think it is, which is recording every little thing you do. The comments on the BBC article made my eyes roll so far back it's scary,"oh it's becoming like 1984!!" Seriously could people that say this shut up? They're obviously clueless.
Secondly, the police can ALREADY DO THIS by getting a search warrant for your house, breaking down your door, and taking all your electronics. The only difference is that gives you some possible time to delete any illegal shit you were doing or trash your HDD. Now why would you trash your HDD if you weren't doing anything illegal? You wouldn't delete all your emails if you weren't doing anything illegal. Why would the police be breaking down your door if you weren't doing anything illegal? Well, they wouldn't be searching your email if you weren't doing anything illegal. It's exactly the same thing.
Lastly, you all seem to think that the government has some horrible plans to destroy your lives and make you miserable. Either that, or you frequently do illegal things with the internet such as drug purchases, hacking, or terrorism. No? Then nothing to worry about. The government does this to keep [b]you[/b] safe because you follow the law and aren't doing anything to harm anybody.
All your information is already on multiple places all over the world under different companies so if you have anything there you don't trust them with or don't want anybody to see then that's your own fault and you should either stop using the internet or stop breaking the law. Once again, those companies are probably doing more questionable things with your information than any government would.
People really need to take a step back from the OPPOSE THE GOVERNMENT DAMN TORIES stance.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;35384663]You people are exaggerating what really isn't that big of a deal. The article wording is slightly to blame but you're once again all angry at an article with the focus being on conservatives.
What this would give the state the ability to do is effectively a police search warrant so they can view a specific person's information, which is entirely not what you all think it is, which is recording every little thing you do. The comments on the BBC article made my eyes roll so far back it's scary,"oh it's becoming like 1984!!" Seriously could people that say this shut up? They're obviously clueless.
Secondly, the police can ALREADY DO THIS by getting a search warrant for your house, breaking down your door, and taking all your electronics. The only difference is that gives you some possible time to delete any illegal shit you were doing or trash your HDD. Now why would you trash your HDD if you weren't doing anything illegal? You wouldn't delete all your emails if you weren't doing anything illegal. Why would the police be breaking down your door if you weren't doing anything illegal? Well, they wouldn't be searching your email if you weren't doing anything illegal. It's exactly the same thing.
Lastly, you all seem to think that the government has some horrible plans to destroy your lives and make you miserable. Either that, or you frequently do illegal things with the internet such as drug purchases, hacking, or terrorism. No? Then nothing to worry about. The government does this to keep [b]you[/b] safe because you follow the law and aren't doing anything to harm anybody.
All your information is already on multiple places all over the world under different companies so if you have anything there you don't trust them with or don't want anybody to see then that's your own fault and you should either stop using the internet or stop breaking the law. Once again, those companies are probably doing more questionable things with your information than any government would.
People really need to take a step back from the OPPOSE THE GOVERNMENT DAMN TORIES stance.[/QUOTE]
But we're looking at it from a technical point of view. To actually do this, one would have to snoop in on emails sent and websites visited to SUSPECT the person in the first place. True, it wouldn't be manually done by humans, but some people have (understandably) a problem with this. What if secure emails need to be sent? There are many legitimate reasons why a person would not want even a robot looking at their emails.
As for terrorism, the terrorists may be stupid but they aren't stupid enough to not know how to use Tor. And yes, exit nodes aren't always secure and the exit nodes aren't encrypted, but that's not where the UK is monitoring...exit nodes are usually in Brazil or somewhere with similar (lack of) internet policing
So all the UK police will see is encrypted gibberish
Overseas police might be in with a shot, but it's unlikely
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;35384663]You wouldn't delete all your emails if you weren't doing anything illegal.[/QUOTE]
I always delete all of my emails unless they are important I think you are exaggerating on that part. But everything else you said kind of makes sense.
The real problem I think is the potential for abuse.
I really hope they don't abuse it to enforce bullshit crimes that have no victims and where personal property is not damaged. I can see it now; "knock knock, drug raid, we read you were smoking a doobie on facebook so we got a warrant for your potential cultivation of this plant thats on the bad boy list"
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;35384663]You people are exaggerating what really isn't that big of a deal. The article wording is slightly to blame but you're once again all angry at an article with the focus being on conservatives.
What this would give the state the ability to do is effectively a police search warrant so they can view a specific person's information, which is entirely not what you all think it is, which is recording every little thing you do. The comments on the BBC article made my eyes roll so far back it's scary,"oh it's becoming like 1984!!" Seriously could people that say this shut up? They're obviously clueless.
Secondly, the police can ALREADY DO THIS by getting a search warrant for your house, breaking down your door, and taking all your electronics. The only difference is that gives you some possible time to delete any illegal shit you were doing or trash your HDD. Now why would you trash your HDD if you weren't doing anything illegal? You wouldn't delete all your emails if you weren't doing anything illegal. Why would the police be breaking down your door if you weren't doing anything illegal? Well, they wouldn't be searching your email if you weren't doing anything illegal. It's exactly the same thing.
Lastly, you all seem to think that the government has some horrible plans to destroy your lives and make you miserable. Either that, or you frequently do illegal things with the internet such as drug purchases, hacking, or terrorism. No? Then nothing to worry about. The government does this to keep [b]you[/b] safe because you follow the law and aren't doing anything to harm anybody.
All your information is already on multiple places all over the world under different companies so if you have anything there you don't trust them with or don't want anybody to see then that's your own fault and you should either stop using the internet or stop breaking the law. Once again, those companies are probably doing more questionable things with your information than any government would.
People really need to take a step back from the OPPOSE THE GOVERNMENT DAMN TORIES stance.[/QUOTE]
The whole "if you're not doing anything illegal then you have nothing to worry about" is a terrible argument for taking away privacy.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;35384663]You people are exaggerating what really isn't that big of a deal. The article wording is slightly to blame but you're once again all angry at an article with the focus being on conservatives.
What this would give the state the ability to do is effectively a police search warrant so they can view a specific person's information, which is entirely not what you all think it is, which is recording every little thing you do. The comments on the BBC article made my eyes roll so far back it's scary,"oh it's becoming like 1984!!" Seriously could people that say this shut up? They're obviously clueless.
Secondly, the police can ALREADY DO THIS by getting a search warrant for your house, breaking down your door, and taking all your electronics. The only difference is that gives you some possible time to delete any illegal shit you were doing or trash your HDD. Now why would you trash your HDD if you weren't doing anything illegal? You wouldn't delete all your emails if you weren't doing anything illegal. Why would the police be breaking down your door if you weren't doing anything illegal? Well, they wouldn't be searching your email if you weren't doing anything illegal. It's exactly the same thing.
Lastly, you all seem to think that the government has some horrible plans to destroy your lives and make you miserable. Either that, or you frequently do illegal things with the internet such as drug purchases, hacking, or terrorism. No? Then nothing to worry about. The government does this to keep [b]you[/b] safe because you follow the law and aren't doing anything to harm anybody.
All your information is already on multiple places all over the world under different companies so if you have anything there you don't trust them with or don't want anybody to see then that's your own fault and you should either stop using the internet or stop breaking the law. Once again, those companies are probably doing more questionable things with your information than any government would.
People really need to take a step back from the OPPOSE THE GOVERNMENT DAMN TORIES stance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree the Tories should just do whatever they want, let's privatise the NHS and whatevers Thatcher couldn't sell off, let them view whatever they want whenever they want, their system would be 100% infallible.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;35385240]The whole "if you're not doing anything illegal then you have nothing to worry about" is a terrible argument for taking away privacy.[/QUOTE]
QFT
[QUOTE=codemaster85;35385240]The whole "if you're not doing anything illegal then you have nothing to worry about" is a terrible argument for taking away privacy.[/QUOTE]
Nice, you managed to attack maybe half of one of my points. And you didn't do it very well. You're just ignorant and selfish.
[QUOTE=markg06;35385347]Yeah I agree the Tories should just do whatever they want, let's privatise the NHS and whatevers Thatcher couldn't sell off, let them view whatever they want whenever they want, their system would be 100% infallible.[/QUOTE]
How is this related to this thread?
Peaceful slavery or dangerous freedom. Your choice.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;35385355]Nice, you managed to attack maybe half of one of my points.[/QUOTE]
So? Also the whole "taking your eletronics" only happens with a search warrant. Thats means they have to have a reason to search your home. That reason is developed over an investigation, not by using a bot that picked out you saying "man i want to blow my school up over these tests". You're an idiot for actually suporting this.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;35385409]So? Also the whole "taking your eletronics" only happens with a search warrant. Thats means they have to have a reason to search your home. That reason is developed over an investigation, not by using a bot that picked out you saying "man i want to blow my school up over these tests". You're an idiot for actually suporting this.[/QUOTE]
You haven't even got a [I]clue[/I] how this will work. You're an idiot for making stupid points against something you haven't even thought out.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;35385513]You haven't even got a [I]clue[/I] how this will work. You're an idiot for making stupid points against something you haven't even thought out.[/QUOTE]
I think you dont have a clue and you put all your faith in government which is extremely dangerous. Not saying government is bad but in certain cases it is. And internet observation is one of them.
What about enxrypted traffic? Are they able to break the certificates?
[editline]1st April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35385389]Peaceful slavery or dangerous freedom. Your choice.[/QUOTE]
Neither of those do exist.
Slavery always comes with force and true freedom is not dangerous. Your "dangerous freedom" is more of a disguised slavery.
[QUOTE=Killuah;35385614]What about enxrypted traffic? Are they able to break the certificates?
[/QUOTE]
They will bust you down and arrest you because encrypted traffic is suspicious.
Guess this means i've got another protest to attend.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;35384663]You people are exaggerating what really isn't that big of a deal. The article wording is slightly to blame but you're once again all angry at an article with the focus being on conservatives.
What this would give the state the ability to do is effectively a police search warrant so they can view a specific person's information, which is entirely not what you all think it is, which is recording every little thing you do. The comments on the BBC article made my eyes roll so far back it's scary,"oh it's becoming like 1984!!" Seriously could people that say this shut up? They're obviously clueless.
Secondly, the police can ALREADY DO THIS by getting a search warrant for your house, breaking down your door, and taking all your electronics. The only difference is that gives you some possible time to delete any illegal shit you were doing or trash your HDD. Now why would you trash your HDD if you weren't doing anything illegal? You wouldn't delete all your emails if you weren't doing anything illegal. Why would the police be breaking down your door if you weren't doing anything illegal? Well, they wouldn't be searching your email if you weren't doing anything illegal. It's exactly the same thing.
Lastly, you all seem to think that the government has some horrible plans to destroy your lives and make you miserable. Either that, or you frequently do illegal things with the internet such as drug purchases, hacking, or terrorism. No? Then nothing to worry about. The government does this to keep [b]you[/b] safe because you follow the law and aren't doing anything to harm anybody.
All your information is already on multiple places all over the world under different companies so if you have anything there you don't trust them with or don't want anybody to see then that's your own fault and you should either stop using the internet or stop breaking the law. Once again, those companies are probably doing more questionable things with your information than any government would.
People really need to take a step back from the OPPOSE THE GOVERNMENT DAMN TORIES stance.[/QUOTE]
this is literally the worst mentality
We have the exact same thing here in Sweden, and have had for quite a few years now. A tip; Stop it while you can, it's just getting worse, with the police being allowed to access the info for any crime nowadays.
here's my pgp key
lets talk about naughty things like goatse
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[editline]1st April 2012[/editline]
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VPN time if this goes through. I'm not a fan of being spied upon.
[QUOTE=Shocky;35386692]VPN time if this goes through. I'm not a fan of being spied upon.[/QUOTE]
VPNs count as a ISP, and according to the Telecommunications Storage Act from the EU; Any ISP must keep records of their users internet activity for at least 6 months.
Might have gotten the name of it wrong; but tl;dr, even if you use a VPN, you won't be safe from being monitored.
You can set up a VPN yourself you know?
[QUOTE=The fox;35386750]VPNs count as a ISP, and according to the Telecommunications Storage Act from the EU; Any ISP must keep records of their users internet activity for at least 6 months.
Might have gotten the name of it wrong; but tl;dr, even if you use a VPN, you won't be safe from being monitored.[/QUOTE]
Well, I can always use a VPN service based outside the EU and America. I'm sure that would put a hindrance in their plans to spy on me.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;35386785']You can set up a VPN yourself you know?[/QUOTE]
I assume you are responding to me, so; If you were to set up and run a VPN yourself, and fail to comply with the EU law, you would be, at the very least, be fined.
April Fools! I hope.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;35387100]April Fools! I hope.[/QUOTE]
It's real, sadly.
So it's both legally and morally wrong according to the government for the media to listen into peoples phone calls and stuff, but it's perfectly fine for the government to do the same thing themselves?
[QUOTE=The fox;35386824]I assume you are responding to me, so; If you were to set up and run a VPN yourself, and fail to comply with the EU law, you would be, at the very least, be fined.[/QUOTE]
There's a big if in the "if they find out".
Plus UK =/= EU.
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