Poll: 42% Of Trump Voters Support Assaulting Journalists - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Anderan;52365674]It's not like he literally posted 6 other sources or anything.[/QUOTE] The other 6 sources are fake news and aren't even worth acknowledging /s

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365667][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4UpHRHy.png[/IMG] :thinking:[/QUOTE] You left out the fact that they have high factual reporting.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365667][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4UpHRHy.png[/IMG] :thinking:[/QUOTE] okay good on you mate, lets latch onto a source I found out of a good 7 and use that to dismiss the entire point! Now you don't have to think about it, isn't it great

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365667][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4UpHRHy.png[/IMG] :thinking:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=-nesto-;52365657]You forgot t_D, Brietbart, and Dailystormer.[/QUOTE] Brietbart media bias: [url]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart/[/url] :thinking:

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365657]You forgot t_D, Brietbart, and Dailystormer.[/QUOTE] Do you legit read a neo Nazi outlet or are you trolling

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52365683]Brietbart media bias: [url]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart/[/url] :thinking:[/QUOTE] Don't forget: [QUOTE]Factual Reporting: MIXED[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FEH9DYx.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52365687]Do you legit read a neo Nazi outlet or are you trolling[/QUOTE] He's joking so he can avoid actually answering properly because he's in a corner and half of people here ate the bait, line and everything.

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;52365700]He's joking so he can avoid actually answering properly because he's in a corner and half of people here ate the bait, line and everything.[/QUOTE] He's avoided 99% of questions and their content within them within the last 50 threads that he's participated in Nothing new here

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;52365700]He's joking so he can avoid actually answering properly because he's in a corner and half of people here ate the bait, line and everything.[/QUOTE] Pretty sick of shitposting being a core component of conservative ideology!

[url]http://fortune.com/2016/11/03/donald-trump-katy-tur/[/url] Never forget Megyn Kelly either. I'm sure I don't need to provide sources for that fuckin fiasco

[QUOTE=Anderan;52365674]It's not like he literally posted 6 other sources or anything.[/QUOTE] He edited the sources in after my post and after looking at them theguardian is about an advocacy group that's blames the bodyslamming on Trump latimes is about a beach brawl where multiple people got attack, on both sides, including some journalists that were right in the middle of it. That doesn't really prove his rhetoric is driving violence on them. politico is about a story I've already addressed in an earlier post. Still nothing. wapo is a blog post from their fucking Lifestyle section Yes, he has claimed MSM is the enemy and wants to open up libel on them etc etc yada yada yada you all know this. There is nothing showing that this rhetoric is driving violence against journalists. [QUOTE=Lambeth;52365687]Do you legit read a neo Nazi outlet or are you trolling[/QUOTE] Taking the piss out of being compared to an active shooter and being labelled a infowars reader.

Trump encourages violence against those 'political agitators' against him, and despises 'fake news' and insinuates it is politically against him. It's really not a big jump to say he's the source of violence against journalists, as much as you would like to deny that. It's fairly obvious he's the one who's broken open that bottle, and encouraged those sorts of action (much more than he has ever discouraged it.)

[QUOTE=kharkovus;52365738]Trump encourages violence against those 'political agitators' against him, and despises 'fake news' and insinuates it is politically against him. It's really not a big jump to say he's the source of violence against journalists, as much as you would like to deny that. It's fairly obvious he's the one who's broken open that bottle, and encouraged those sorts of action (much more than he has ever discouraged it.)[/QUOTE] So the Chicago Police Department, the Secret Service, and other LEO or security guards that got "violent" with journalists are being driven by Trump's anti-media rhetoric?

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;52365390]Remember when Hillary referred to half of his supporters as "deplorables?" Looks like they only got up in arms because she was right.[/QUOTE] I mean there was [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW"]this poll[/URL] that showed that nearly half of Trump supporters and a third of Clinton supporters hold pretty racist views. What Clinton said wasn't very far from the truth, but it broke one of the unspoken rules of campaigning: Never insult the electorate.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365728]He edited the sources in after my post and after looking at them theguardian is about an advocacy group that's blames the bodyslamming on Trump latimes is about a beach brawl where multiple people got attack, on both sides, including some journalists that were right in the middle of it. That doesn't really prove his rhetoric is driving violence on them. politico is about a story I've already addressed in an earlier post. Still nothing. wapo is a blog post from their fucking Lifestyle section Yes, he has claimed MSM is the enemy and wants to open up libel on them etc etc yada yada yada you all know this. There is nothing showing that this rhetoric is driving violence against journalists. Taking the piss out of being compared to an active shooter and being labelled a infowars reader.[/QUOTE] How did he edit the others in after you posted when the other sources are quoted in your first post? You still haven't stated what you find an acceptable source.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365728]He edited the sources in after my post and after looking at them theguardian is about an advocacy group that's blames the bodyslamming on Trump latimes is about a beach brawl where multiple people got attack, on both sides, including some journalists that were right in the middle of it. That doesn't really prove his rhetoric is driving violence on them. politico is about a story I've already addressed in an earlier post. Still nothing. wapo is a blog post from their fucking Lifestyle section Yes, he has claimed MSM is the enemy and wants to open up libel on them etc etc yada yada yada you all know this. There is nothing showing that this rhetoric is driving violence against journalists. Taking the piss out of being compared to an active shooter and being labelled a infowars reader.[/QUOTE] In terms of editing, I removed two sources later after checking them with that bias checker thing. That's about it. Oh, and some formatting changes. If me actually making sure my sources are MORE correct and making sure they're readable is a black mark for you then I don't know what to say The Guardian post is about the national press club, stating: [QUOTE]Jeff Ballou, the president of the National Press Club, said that since Trump took office in January, there had scarcely been a day when he hadn’t had to deal with some serious challenge to members. “This is not Turkey, I get that; this is not North Korea, I get that, too. But the steady deterioration of atmosphere, of civility and common decency, of outright unconstitutional behavior towards journalists, is deeply worrying,” he said.[/QUOTE] As I've already stated, Trump has yet to denounce Gianforte for assaulting the reporter. Two other incidents you've already dismissed - one of direct violence against a reporter and one where journalists were injured by a brawl that broke out at a trump rally - which doesn't really do much to disprove any claim that Trump might have been looking for peace at his rallies. If you're going to dismiss those then there's not much point discussing them with you. The Washington source post is in the lifestyle section, sure. Why it's there, I don't know, but let's go through some of it: [QUOTE]Reporter Nathaniel Herz of the Alaska Dispatch News said he was questioning state Sen. David Wilson (R-Wasilla) in the capitol building in Juneau on May 2 when the legislator turned and slapped Herz across the face. Herz, who recorded the confrontation, filed a report with the Juneau Police Department, which has turned the case over to the state’s Office of Special Prosecution. It was the first of four incidents involving reporters and public officials in the past month. Separately, reporter Dan Heyman of the Public News Service was handcuffed and arrested on May 9 as he tried to question Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price and presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway in the West Virginia state capitol. After Conway and Price declined to respond to his repeated questions, Heyman was charged with “willful disruption of government processes” by police. He spent seven hours in jail before being released.[/QUOTE] The article is [B]sourced[/B], so I don't really care if you're going to dismiss it because its in the 'lifestyle' section [url]http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/11/nbc.html[/url] Here's another source And another [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/17/trump-calls-the-media-the-enemy-of-the-american-people/?utm_term=.ecf1c136be49&tid=a_inl[/url] This one isn't in the lifestyle section if that makes it more acceptable for your obviously robust sensibilities about the media Oh, and let's not forget that Reporters Sans Frontieres degraded the US by 2 ranks in its global index since Trump was elected, citing: [QUOTE]US press freedom, enshrined in the First Amendment to the 1787 constitution, has encountered several major obstacles over the past few years, most recently with the election of President Donald Trump. He has declared the press an “enemy of the American people” in a series of verbal attacks toward journalists, while attempting to block White House access to multiple media outlets in retaliation for critical reporting. Despite the bleak outlook under Trump, it bears repeating that his predecessor left behind a flimsy legacy for press freedom and access to information.[/QUOTE] Now, the last bit of the quote I included because I am not denying that the Obama administration was unfriendly towards the press as well. However that is a) besides the point here, and b) moot as they never encouraged for direct violence against the media

[QUOTE=Anderan;52365751]How did he edit the others in after you posted when the other sources are quoted in your first post?[/QUOTE] shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you don't know what youre talking about you see, if it doesn't fit the worldview, just CHANGE it and it will be!

[QUOTE] Two other incidents you've already dismissed - one of direct violence against a reporter[/QUOTE] Imma stop right there and ask if you even know the full story about the incident you're so desperately grasping onto. [video]https://youtu.be/sJ-BJlDhQ9E[/video] How about you watch this and show me the direct violence. And some supplemental reading [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/us/politics/corey-lewandowski-trump-campaign-manager.html"]Battery Charge Against Corey Lewandowski, Trump Campaign Manager, Is Dropped[/URL] You wanna talk about fruitless conversations but you continue to latch onto and push pure bullshit.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365797]Imma stop right there and ask if you even know the full story about the incident you're so desperately grasping onto. [video]https://youtu.be/sJ-BJlDhQ9E[/video] How about you watch this and show me the direct violence. And some supplemental reading [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/us/politics/corey-lewandowski-trump-campaign-manager.html"]Battery Charge Against Corey Lewandowski, Trump Campaign Manager, Is Dropped[/URL] You wanna talk about fruitless conversations but you continue to latch onto and push pure bullshit.[/QUOTE] So you're ignoring everything else, okay. Well as far as the video goes, I watched it, and you're right, I didn't see anything I would think as noteworthy. I'm happy to admit that. Not the only report of violence during trump campaign though. Also, you've ignored literally every other source I've posted though besides anything related to that instance. So to sum up: You have Trump supporters singling out reporters and shaming reporters, often by name and with Trump's encouragement - Katy Tur and Megyn Kelly are two among others. You have the National Press Club of America saying that since Trump was elected, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of incidents they have had to deal with. You have other documented instances where journalists have been injured during the Trump campaign. Sure, from that video, looks like Michelle Fields may not have been one of them. However, I have posted other sources that show journalists were injured during the campaign. I'm not claiming that every single one of these incidents is directly on Trump, though I believe that some of them are. You have Reporters Sans Frontieres degrading the US by 2 points in its ranking of countries with best freedom of press, directly citing Trump's election You have four reported instances of violence against reporters in the last month, including in Montana, Alaska and West Virginia, all by republican candidates And yet it is not yet apparent that Trump's vilification of the media has resulted in violence. So yeah, I do want to talk about fruitless conversations. I'm having one right now.

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[QUOTE=killerteacup;52365822]So you're ignoring everything else, okay. Well as far as the video goes, I watched it, and you're right, I didn't see anything I would think as noteworthy. I'm happy to admit that. Not the only report of violence during trump campaign though. Also, you've ignored literally every other source I've posted though besides anything related to that instance. So to sum up: You have Trump supporters singling out reporters and shaming reporters, often by name and with Trump's encouragement - Katy Tur and Megyn Kelly are two among others. You have the National Press Club of America saying that since Trump was elected, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of incidents they have had to deal with. You have other documented instances where journalists have been injured during the Trump campaign. Sure, from that video, looks like Michelle Fields may not have been one of them. However, I have posted other sources that show journalists were injured during the campaign. I'm not claiming that every single one of these incidents is directly on Trump, though I believe that some of them are. You have Reporters Sans Frontieres degrading the US by 2 points in its ranking of countries with best freedom of press, directly citing Trump's election You have four reported instances of violence against reporters in the last month, including in Montana, Alaska and West Virginia, all by republican candidates And yet it is not yet apparent that Trump's vilification of the media has resulted in violence. So yeah, I do want to talk about fruitless conversations. I'm having one right now.[/QUOTE] Also interesting is this story, only from a few hours ago: [B][U]CNN boss blames Trump for rising threats towards journalists, and says they are worse than people realise[/U][/B] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-cnn-jeff-zucker-threats-journalists-blame-president-fake-news-a7792656.html[/url] [QUOTE] The head of CNN has launched an attack on Donald Trump and other politicians for creating an environment in which journalists are more at threat then most people realise. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] In a breakfast meeting with reporters, Mr Zucker accused Mr Trump and others of helping create a toxic and dangerous environment for the media. Audio leaked of Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull's joke impression of Donald Trump "We’ve been dealing with this in a very real and heightened way over the last 18 months,"he said. He spoke after Montana congressman Greg Gianforte, recently pleaded guilty to body-slamming a newspaper reporter who had asked him a question the night before his special election victory. "This is what happens when you try to delegitimise an institution that is trying to do its job," Mr Zucker said, according to the Associated Press. [/QUOTE]

I'm happy to admit that I was eager to post and I posted the Corey story without realising that the charges of battery had been dropped. Happy to be proved wrong in that instance. I don't want to be accused, heaven forbid, of "desperately grabbing on" to things which aren't true. I'd rather not get mixed up with a trump supporter. However, without that story there is still a good set of sources showing how trumps vilification of the media has incited violence and has the potential to incite it further. Unfortunately these sources seem to be a bit harder for nesto to respond to. I'd love a response to each source that doesn't dismiss them based on their section or website. Regardless of their bias on that fact checker, most my sources are listed as high in factual reporting. Nesto if you think my sources are all terrible, then I invite you to read them properly and identify where they are telling lies in this thread. Im happy for you to do so.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52365822]So you're ignoring everything else, okay. Well as far as the video goes, I watched it, and you're right, I didn't see anything I would think as noteworthy. I'm happy to admit that. Not the only report of violence during trump campaign though. Also, you've ignored literally every other source I've posted though besides anything related to that instance. [B]I haven't? I posted about the CBS reporter in Chicago and the Time's reporter. Both of which had nothing to do with politics or rhetoric despite your claims.[/B] So to sum up: You have Trump supporters singling out reporters and shaming reporters, often by name and with Trump's encouragement - Katy Tur and Megyn Kelly are two among others. [B]Wasn't aware shaming people was violence[/B] You have the National Press Club of America saying that since Trump was elected, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of incidents they have had to deal with. [B]I'm sure they cite the FCC, Health Sect, and Time's reporter incidents as someone else's fault than their own[/B] You have other documented instances where journalists have been injured during the Trump campaign. Sure, from that video, looks like Michelle Fields may not have been one of them. However, I have posted other sources that show journalists were injured during the campaign. I'm not claiming that every single one of these incidents is directly on Trump, though I believe that some of them are. [B]Other than the beach brawl, which ones?[/B] You have Reporters Sans Frontieres degrading the US by 2 points in its ranking of countries with best freedom of press, directly citing Trump's election [B]Pointless. Nothing has happened since election to limit freedom of press.[/B] You have four reported instances of violence against reporters in the last month, including in Montana, Alaska and West Virginia, all by republican candidates [QUOTE]According to an audio recording that Herz provided the newspaper, Wilson repeated the words reasonable and fair, in response to Herz. Then there was an exhale and what sounds like an impact, followed by Wilson's voice saying, "There we go." Herz could be heard asking if that was meant to be serious or playful and later said: "'He uh, slapped me. That was interesting." [/QUOTE] [B]You shouldn't put your hands on people like that and he should face punishment if the police pursue it. But that's a farcry from the violence you made it out to be. As for WV, again, it's been covered already. Reporter was arrested by police. Fail to see how that has to do with Trump's rhetoric. And Montana is moot. He did it, admitted to, and was convicted(sorta) for it. Other than being the same party as Trump, I again fail to see how it relates to him.[/B] And yet it is not yet apparent that Trump's vilification of the media has resulted in violence. So yeah, I do want to talk about fruitless conversations. I'm having one right now.[/QUOTE] Sorry if the formatting is less than ideal, you had numerous points I wanted to address and didn't wanna make quotes for each one. You have some pretty dubious claims and shakey evidence to support it. When you actually look into your initial claim or incident, more often then not it can be explained as something entirely different. You'd think if his rhetoric was driving violence against media there'd be smoking guns galore but instead we get tons of misinformation and bullshit. You're having a fruitless conversation because you keep going look at X its totally Y.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52365899]Sorry if the formatting is less than ideal, you had numerous points I wanted to address and didn't wanna make quotes for each one. You have some pretty dubious claims and shakey evidence to support it. When you actually look into your initial claim or incident, more often then not it can be explained as something entirely different. You'd think if his rhetoric was driving violence against media there'd be smoking guns galore but instead we get tons of misinformation and bullshit. You're having a fruitless conversation because you keep going look at X its totally Y.[/QUOTE] I can't do the quote thing on my phone so apologies. I did have other reports of press violence to back myself up but I'll park that for now unless someone can back me up. Your dismissal of the national press club isn't valid. Sorry but you don't get to dismiss that just by saying oh I bet they did this thing and that's why it's not valid - that's dumb. Address the statement he made. Address the CNN one while you're at it - they're basically saying similar things really For nothing happening since election to limit freedom of press - I'm sure I don't need to remind you of trumps meeting with the Russian ambassador which American press was barred from but Russian press wasn't. Or the controversy continuously surrounding press access to press briefings. I'm on my phone right now so I can't post sources unfortunately but I distinctly remember this. Violence is still violence. I'm not here to debate the degree of violence. violence is still violence. Okay i will be honest I misjudged the time to engage in a lengthy debate - I'm on public transport and don't have time to write everything out. My point is that trumps vilification of the media and shaming of it has led to a situation in America where people are willing to flaunt a pretty sacred institution, which is the free press, often through violence but also through arrests for "obstructing government business". Trump vilification of the media is not a direct encouragement of violence but it mobilises a mob of people willing to engage in it for him. Including republican candidates and senators. I think my sources back that up pretty clearly - at least the ones I haven't already discounted.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52365904]Oops, accidentally pressed submit on the train. Give me a sec[/QUOTE] :v:

Apologies again for not being able to source my most recent post - physically incapable.

I'm not a violent guy al all. I'd call myself a pacifist. I'm the most peaceful guy you've ever met, totally non-violent, totally. but I'm going to go to the next posters home and face-fist-fuck him into a corpse

[QUOTE=J!NX;52366017]I'm not a violent guy al all. I'd call myself a pacifist. I'm the most peaceful guy you've ever met, totally non-violent, totally. but I'm going to go to the next posters home and face-fist-fuck him into a corpse[/QUOTE] Kinky. :weeb: I think we should all take a moment to appreciate how this article's source is pretty much exactly center in the bias meter. I almost never see that.

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;52365390]Remember when Hillary referred to half of his supporters as "deplorables?" Looks like they only got up in arms because she was right.[/QUOTE] Time is definitely proving Hilary correct, it's just nothing makes you like more like a political elite snob than calling the uneducated low income plebs supporting your opposition "deplorable". I doubt many of them took it kindly, probably only doubled them down on Trump.

It would be interesting to find out the percentage of liberals that would support violence against trump supporters or trump himself. Also, what's the comparison of [I]actual[/I] violence from liberals vs trump supporters? [editline]16th June 2017[/editline] Also, the poll is talking about body slamming? Is it specifically talking about the recent incident with the audio of the guy who pushed the reporter? Or something else?