Donald Trump Likely Appearing With VP Pick Friday, Sources Say
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[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50700743]Proven false in Orlando
...What?[/QUOTE]
Trump's numbers go down when the media focuses on a statement he makes and turns it into a racist or sexist argument. Dumb stuff like that.
Regarding Orlando, [url=http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/reuters-poll-trump-numbers/2016/06/14/id/733891/]it depends on the poll you refer to.[/url] No other Republican I can think of has come out and openly supported the LGBT community as Trump has.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700517]He beat 16 other republican candidates as a self made billionaire with no political experience whatsoever in the republican primaries. He has a winning campaign team, and his strategy has been working well so far[/QUOTE]
He didn't beat 16 other candidates. Five withdrew before primaries even began. Then of the remaining 11, six more dropped out after the first two states. Sure he technically beat 11 other candidates but I don't think that is necessarily more impressive than defeating one or two strong candidates. By any outside measure (by outside I mean simply outside of your narrative) he doesn't currently have a winning campaign team and his strategy sees his poll numbers under Clinton, the opposite of "working well".
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700686]He's within 4-10 points of a career politician for the highest office on the planet. He's on track to winning.[/QUOTE]
"x is losing he is on track to winning"
Also you say this like its a good thing.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700686]I don't think any GOP politicians have shifted to support Clinton. If you have evidence otherwise feel free to share. For the record I am an educated white male studying Nuclear Engineering and I'm not bothered by what Trump says.[/QUOTE]
As an educated man you see no problem in Trumps denial of climate change? The very questionable things he has said about vaccinnes in the past?
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700686]He turned $1 million he borrowed from his dad into his own $10 billion real estate empire. He didn't inherit everything from his dad according to his siblings.[/QUOTE]
Ok so he borrowed $1 million from his dad. He wasn't self made.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700663]It's also impressive I'm reading "goddamn white males!" bullshit on facepunch[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700686]I try to talk about issues and articles in SH and people just label each other as racist or uneducated or white or gay or whatever as a means to discredit the other person's input. It's counterproductive and a means to silence another in an open discussion.[/QUOTE]
guys
he wasn't trying to emulate that meme video by labeling you or discrediting you
he was discussing demographics
I genuinely have no idea how you could possibly get that from what he said but your post in the other thread makes a lot more sense Venomous but you are drastically misunderstanding what OmniConsume is saying
[editline]13th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700775]Trump's numbers go down when the media focuses on a statement he makes and turns it into a racist or sexist argument. Dumb stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
I think you misunderstand something here; the media doesn't focus on a statement and turn it into a sexist or racist argument, they take something sexist or racist that Trump has said and reports it to people.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700775]Regarding Orlando, [url=http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/reuters-poll-trump-numbers/2016/06/14/id/733891/]it depends on the poll you refer to.[/url] No other Republican I can think of has come out and openly supported the LGBT community as Trump has.[/QUOTE]
Debatable, but more concerning for you should be the fact that Trump is done with the Republicans. He isn't competing against them anymore. He is competing against Clinton who is definitely more pro-LGBT rights than Trump is.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50700813]
Ok so he borrowed $1 million from his dad. He wasn't self made.[/QUOTE]
i mean most people who get million dollar loans end up blowing their lives by wasting it on a worthless degree so id say he did pretty good
[QUOTE=AlienFanatic;50700838]i mean most people who get million dollar loans end up blowing their lives by wasting it on a worthless degree so id say he did pretty good[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying he didn't do pretty good I'm saying he wasn't self-made.
also lets not forget hillary didnt even support gay marriage until it became popular within the populace so shes got that goin for her
[QUOTE=AlienFanatic;50700841]also lets not forget hillary didnt even support gay marriage until it became popular within the populace so shes got that goin for her[/QUOTE]
On top of that she receives foreign donations from countries that execute anyone in the LGBT community and prohibit women from going outside without a man.
[QUOTE=AlienFanatic;50700841]also lets not forget hillary didnt even support gay marriage until it became popular within the populace so shes got that goin for her[/QUOTE]
She publicly supported it 2 years after it became popular because it's generally not kosher for the secretary of state to talk about domestic matters. It was one of the first things she did after stepping down. Prior to this though she still defended gay rights, including giving a speech in 2011 declaring gay rights human rights. Contrast this with Trump who's latest statement on the matter was that he views marriage "traditionally" and the fact that he recently met with the Family Research Council, a notoriously anti-LGBT lobbying group, and it's actually quite easy to see which candidate is better.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700859]On top of that she receives foreign donations from countries that execute anyone in the LGBT community and prohibit women from going outside without a man.[/QUOTE]
Source? I'm pretty sure it's illegal for her campaign to receive foreign investment.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50700529]offended nearly everyone who isn't an un-educated straight white male[/QUOTE]
Those straight white males darn! I hate those guys!
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50700249]You're joking right?[/QUOTE]
he's got a registered democrat former general who's pro-abortion, pro-gun control on the supposed short list as well, why not?
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50700876]Those straight white males darn! I hate those guys![/QUOTE]
The victim complex in this thread is ironically strong.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700859]On top of that she receives foreign donations from countries that execute anyone in the LGBT community and prohibit women from going outside without a man.[/QUOTE]
HCVF =/= The Clinton Foundation
Recent polls put an attack dog in the lead for Donald Trump's VP pick
[url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-wants-an-attack-dog-as-his-running-mate-1468366627[/url]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50700880]The victim complex in this thread is ironically strong.[/QUOTE]
Good thing he didn't say those dumb uneducated blacks are voting for Hillary because that would have been racist.
Saying " he was discussing demographics" is fucking ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50700869]She publicly supported it 2 years after it became popular because it's generally not kosher for the secretary of state to talk about domestic matters. It was one of the first things she did after stepping down. Prior to this though she still defended gay rights, including giving a speech in 2011 declaring gay rights human rights. Contrast this with Trump who's latest statement on the matter was that he views marriage "traditionally" and the fact that he recently met with the Family Research Council, a notoriously anti-LGBT lobbying group, and it's actually quite easy to see which candidate is better.
Source? I'm pretty sure it's illegal for her campaign to receive foreign investment.[/QUOTE]
On marriage:
[video=youtube;fZkK2_6H9MM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkK2_6H9MM[/video]
On foreign money:
[url]http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282261-sanders-clinton-foundation-engaged-in-conflicts-of[/url]
Granted its not a direct campaign donation however the money ends up her pockets which leads to favors
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50700894]Good thing he didn't say those dumb uneducated blacks are voting for Hillary because that would have been racist.
Saying " he was discussing demographics" is fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Uneducated in polling terms doesn't mean dumb, it means not college level. You're taking common demographic interpretations as a personal attack on your intelligence and [I]that's[/I] ridiculous.
[editline]13th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700899]On marriage:[/QUOTE]
This interview was from 2002. She publicly announced support for gay marriage in 2013 but fought for LGBT rights other than marriage before then as well as supporting civil unions.
Trump said in January that he would "strongly consider" appointing a judge who would help overturn the Supreme Courts same sex marriage decision. He has never been pro-gay marriage and he has a mixed record on LGBT rights in general. This is really quite an easy decision to make; the person who openly supports gay marriage and fought for gay rights prior to that, or the person who has never fought for gay marriage and frequently courts religious freedom groups opposed to it.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700899]On foreign money:
[URL]http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282261-sanders-clinton-foundation-engaged-in-conflicts-of[/URL]
Granted its not a direct campaign donation however the money ends up her pockets which leads to favors[/QUOTE]
Source of the money ending up in her pockets and specifics regarding the favors?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50700901]Uneducated in polling terms doesn't mean dumb, it means not college level. You're taking common demographic interpretations as a personal attack on your intelligence and [I]that's[/I] ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
It is obvious from his post that he didn't mean "not college level", and that he actually meant straight up dumb.
It is pretty funny that you assume I am taking it as a personal attack on my intelligence just because I have a big problem with his post.
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50700943]It is obvious from his post that he didn't mean "not college level", and that he actually meant straight up dumb.
It is pretty funny that you assume I am taking it as a personal attack on my intelligence just because I have a big problem with his post.[/QUOTE]
I assume you are taking it as a personal attack because you are making a mountain out of a molehill. He might have meant straight up dumb, but that's not how I interpreted it. Maybe it's because I like to pour over polling data.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50700901]
Source of the money ending up in her pockets and specifics regarding the favors?[/QUOTE]
Favors are a general term referring to how the broken political system works. Bribes are illegal but corporate donations, gifts, accommodations, ect give politicians a comfy lifestyle they would prefer not to give up.
Where does the money go? [url=http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/charity-watchdog-clinton-foundation-a-slush-fund/]That's a good question[/url]. I suppose I can't claim she directly pockets it, however very little money donated to the CF goes to charity as the article explains.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50700963]Favors are a general term referring to how the broken political system works. Bribes are illegal but corporate donations, gifts, accommodations, ect give politicians a comfy lifestyle they would prefer not to give up.
Where does the money go? [url=http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/charity-watchdog-clinton-foundation-a-slush-fund/]That's a good question[/url]. I suppose I can't claim she directly pockets it, however very little money donated to the CF goes to charity as the article explains.[/QUOTE]
So just that we are clear you have no proof that foreign investors in Saudi Arabia are putting money into the Clinton Foundation which is then going to her and/or her campaign?
Regarding the money going to charity, this is the best [URL="http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/29/rush-limbaugh/rush-limbaugh-says-clinton-foundation-spends-just-/"]refutation [/URL]I can find. You're NYPost article neglects to source it's 2013 figures but roughly the same numbers are dealt with in the Politifact article about Limbaughs making the same argument.
[QUOTE]Our ruling
Limbaugh said "85 percent of every dollar donated to the Clinton Foundation ended up either with the Clintons or with their staff to pay for travel, salaries, and benefits. Fifteen cents of every dollar actually went to some charitable beneficiary."
There’s a grain of truth here -- roughly 85 percent of the foundation’s spending was for items other than charitable grants to other organizations, and a large chunk of this 85 percent did go to Clinton Foundation staff for travel, salaries and benefits. However, the foundation says it does most of its charitable work in-house, and it’s not credible to think that the foundation spent zero dollars beyond grants on any charitable work, which is what it would take for Limbaugh to be correct.
The claim contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression, so we rate it Mostly False.
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The group Charity Navigator has also taken them off their watchlist following 2015 tax filings.
[editline]13th July 2016[/editline]
The byzantine nature of the Clinton Foundation is odd compared to how most charitable organizations work, but it's not unprecedented, and that shouldn't immediately cause one to assume it's simply a slush fund that gives foreign donors political favors.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50700880]The victim complex in this thread is ironically strong.[/QUOTE]
So thinking blatant racism and sexism and whatever the fuck you call bigotry based on sexuality is dumb is a victim complex?
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This isn't even the only time this guy said something bad about "white males", he isn't "discussing demographics" whatever the hell thats supposed to justify
Atleast Clinton doesn't deny climate change, how someone studying Nuclear Engineering can get behind someone who would deny that is beyond me.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701070]So thinking blatant racism and sexism and whatever the fuck you call bigotry based on sexuality is dumb is a victim complex?[/QUOTE]
It's not blatantly racist or sexist or bigoted to point out that uneducated white men are his largest, most visible demographic.
[editline]13th July 2016[/editline]
The victim complex part comes from the fact that you take a fairly innocuous statement as a racist and sexist attack on someones identity, presumably your own. The ironic part is that you guys are generally the first ones to explain why something that is atleast plausibly racist or sexist or generally bigoted that Trump or one of his supporters say [I]isn't[/I] any of that.
Illegals doesn't mean Hispanics
White males means white males
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701106]Illegals doesn't mean Hispanics
White males means white males[/QUOTE]
And Trump enjoys a comfortable lead ahead of Clinton in the white male demographic. Within that subgroup is those without a college education. Sometimes referred to colloquially as uneducated. Trump himself arguably did those folks a disservice by calling them the "poorly educated" at a press conference celebrating a recent primary victory. You have yet to establish why pointing out that this demographic is Trumps most solid base is racist or sexist.
"You know who's voting for that Obama fucker? Those friggin uneducated welfare loving blacks! And gays!"
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701143]"You know who's voting for Obama? Those friggin uneducated welfare loving blacks! And gays!"[/QUOTE]
You know anyone reading your post is going to compare what Omni posted to what you posted and notice the major difference between the two statements right? To the point where I'm pretty sure I shouldn't even have to point out your aggressive tone and insertion of welfare into the conversation.
But for the record yes Clinton leads in both educated and educated non-whites and non-Hispanic blacks as well as LGBT individuals. She also has a much more diverse base.
[editline]13th July 2016[/editline]
Oh you put fucker in there after my post to make it even more distinct from the post you are trying to criticize.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701143]"You know who's voting for that Obama fucker? Those friggin uneducated welfare loving blacks! And gays!"[/QUOTE]
24% white males favor trump. 21% uneducated white males favor trump. From beginning of June exit polls. What he said is true, and no amount of accusing him of lopsided racism or unfair framing will change that. Based solely on exit polls, this has been a trend his entire campaign, it is not changing. Be my guest if you claim a brick wall is a puddle, we will have freedom to laugh at you.
"Surely everyone is as fine with racism as I am that I shouldn't have to point out that it's different because they're not white"
Don't worry it's just demographics, I don't make the stats I'm not citing, my quotes comment wasn't racist at all
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701187]"Surely everyone is as fine with racism as I am that I shouldn't have to point out that it's different because they're not white"
Don't worry it's just demographics, I don't make the stats I'm not citing, my quotes comment wasn't racist at all[/QUOTE]
How is it racist to be white? How is it racist to point out that those voters reported themselves as white and not college educated? How is calling blacks 'wellfare loving' NOT derogatory?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701187]"Surely everyone is as fine with racism as I am that I shouldn't have to point out that it's different because they're not white"
Don't worry it's just demographics, I don't make the stats I'm not citing, my quotes comment wasn't racist at all[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/11/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-disaffected-voters"]Stats[/URL]. Go back months if you want to and you will see similar results.
The principle difference between your and Omni's posts are that he didn't refer to white males as "welfare loving".
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