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It's [url=http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/]demographics[/url] honey it's not racist to point out blacks benefit most from welfare
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701213]It's [url=http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/]demographics[/url] honey it's not racist to point out blacks benefit most from welfare[/QUOTE] It isn't, but you did plenty more than point that out
According to you guys only thing I added new was that. So we agree! It IS racist!
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50700529]nearly everyone who isn't an un-educated straight white male[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701143]"Those friggin uneducated welfare loving blacks! And gays!"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701143]"You know who's voting for that Obama fucker? Those friggin uneducated welfare loving blacks! And gays!"[/QUOTE] What does welfare have to do with any of this? Furthermore, Clinton has a much more diverse voter base that leads in all categories of the vote. However, it's not just the uneducated and the unaware who support him (Trump); his campaign is all about bringing in the disenfranchised as well, those who feel that they haven't been able to support themselves or their families under the current economic order, desperate enough to take the risks of the financial catastrophes Trump's proposals entail, all in the hopes of seeing their expectations met. However, the numbers say a different thing, that's where people opposed to Trump have placed their positions at - even a cursory amount of going over the facts will show that voting for Trump will only leave the average American worse off than they already are, because budget cuts and austerity measures to push forward expensive "reforms" aren't going to do anything to help the economy, but will sure as hell put it on the fast track of collapsing.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701225]According to you guys only thing I added new was that. So we agree! It IS racist![/QUOTE] are you confirming or denying that trump has a strong percentage of supporters that are white men who lack formal education
Blacks do not statistically love welfare, and this is why this comparison doesn't work. Why must this be pointed out to you? How does this disprove that most of Trumps voting base are self reported uneducated white men?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701213]It's [url=http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/]demographics[/url] honey it's not racist to point out blacks benefit most from welfare[/QUOTE] You didn't point it out though you described blacks as "welfare loving". A comparison between two statements becomes less comparable when you randomly inject adjectives like that, dear.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701213]It's [URL="http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/"]demographics[/URL] honey it's not racist to point out blacks benefit most from welfare[/QUOTE] The point is, you basically tried to push an agenda by being critical of the assertion that Trump's vote bank was composed primarily of uneducated and under-educated white people who can't be bothered, and indeed won't be bothered to understand the consequences of bringing in somebody who's all empty air and whose policies will leave his vote bank even lower in the dust than they already are, all because they're too ignorant to understand what his "policies" will do to both the American economy and the global economy. He cannot make jobs grow on trees, nor will fat stacks of $100 bills rain down from the sky. I'm tired to death beating my head on a stone wall trying to make people understand why his policies will affect his vote bank more than they think it will should he get elected President, but there's literally nothing to be done for willful ignorance.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50701230]What does welfare have to do with any of this?[/QUOTE] What do races have to do with this [QUOTE=Aircraft;50701242]Blacks do not statistically love welfare, and this is why this comparison doesn't work. Why must this be pointed out to you?[/QUOTE] Most recipients are black [url]http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/[/url] If they hate welfare so much why are they using it the most? Are you really gonna argue semantics? Edit: Yep, falling back on semantics [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50701258]The point is, you basically tried to push an agenda by being critical of the assertion that Trump's vote bank was composed primarily of uneducated and under-educated white people who can't be bothered, and indeed won't be bothered to understand the consequences of bringing in somebody who's all empty air and whose policies will leave his vote bank even lower in the dust than they already all, all because they're too ignorant to understand what his "policies" will do to both the American economy and the global economy. He cannot make jobs grow on trees, nor will fat stacks of $100 bills rain down from the sky. I'm tired to death beating my head on a stone wall trying to make people understand why his policies will affect his vote bank more than they think it will should he get elected President, but there's literally nothing to be done for willful ignorance.[/QUOTE] An agenda of thinking it's flat out stupid to be all "stupid white males fault" over the person you don't like progressing?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50701258]stone wall[/QUOTE] How does this disprove that most of Trumps voting base are self reported uneducated white men? Why does me nitpicking at a tangential farce of a comparison dismiss my question? [QUOTE]An agenda of thinking it's flat out stupid to be all "stupid white males fault" over the person you don't like progressing?[/QUOTE] Zonesylvania claims Trump's core voting base doesnt grasp and doesnt care to grasp the implications and realities of his policies and rhetoric, which has been demonstrated from opinion polls to even this forum. Look at Fat White Lump for example. Its a classic case of people unwilling to read other people's analysis on matters they have no significant backround in because it conflicts with their feelings and beliefs, regardless of the evidence. From my past year during this election cycle, Ive seen the very thing that analysts have noticed in front of my own eyes and on this forum. Reframing uneducated white males, the term your so caught up about, as stupid white males, doesnt dismiss the basis of his opinion.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701262]What do races have to do with this[/QUOTE] Demographics. [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701262]Most recipients are black [url]http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/[/url] If they hate welfare so much why are they using it the most? Are you really gonna argue semantics? Edit: Yep, falling back on semantics[/QUOTE] You don't take welfare because you love welfare you take welfare because you need it to survive. It's a wholly disingenuous characterization of people regardless of race. And this isn't a semantics issue, you injected "welfare loving" out of absolutely nowhere. [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701262]An agenda of thinking it's flat out stupid to be all "stupid white males fault" over the person you don't like progressing?[/QUOTE] He didn't cast blame on anyone nor did he use the words stupid. Answer this post [QUOTE=TheHydra;50701231]are you confirming or denying that trump has a strong percentage of supporters that are white men who lack formal education[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Aircraft;50701280]How does this disprove that most of Trumps voting base are self reported uneducated white men? Why does me nitpicking at a tangential farce of a comparison dismiss my question?[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter the intended purpose was "fukken white male" bullshit pointing that out. Did someone ask him to give us race stats? Need I remind you this thread is about trumps vp pick?
[QUOTE=Aircraft;50701280]How does this disprove that most of Trumps voting base are self reported uneducated white men? Why does me nitpicking at a tangential farce of a comparison dismiss my question?[/QUOTE] I think you got the wrong guy here lol, I'm not disagreeing with this either.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701262]What do races have to do with this Most recipients are black [url]http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/[/url] If they hate welfare so much why are they using it the most? Are you really gonna argue semantics? Edit: Yep, falling back on semantics [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] An agenda of thinking it's flat out stupid to be all "stupid white males fault" over the person you don't like progressing?[/QUOTE] you are repeatedly extrapolating things from his statement that aren't there. trump appeals to lower class workers (of which uneducated people are most likely to be) who feel that the government has failed them (this is a very real and valid concern) and radical change like trump is a way out. however, considering his alienation of the black and mexican populations as well as significant damage to his support among women, this leaves mainly uneducated white men as his supporter base. it's not an insult, it's a statement of fact. there's nothing wrong with being a white guy who doesn't have a college degree. it's just hard to win the presidency off their support alone.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701291]It doesn't matter the intended purpose was "fukken white male" bullshit pointing that out. Did someone ask him to give us race stats? Need I remind you this thread is about trumps vp pick?[/QUOTE] Maybe no one asked him because we were already on the same page and instead of investigating the claim you exhibited the very same traits you have routinely criticized the left for: thin-skinned cries about racism and sexism.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50701292]I think you got the wrong guy here lol, I'm not disagreeing with this either.[/QUOTE] I meant to say he is as dense as you put it, a stone wall. It didnt make sense without the second part of the post. Sorry, i will try to fully format posts before posting.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50701297]Maybe no one asked him because we were already on the same page and instead of investigating the claim you exhibited the very same traits you have routinely criticized the left for: thin-skinned cries about racism and sexism.[/QUOTE] Do you think I'm someone else or something? You've cited falsehood on me twice today. Early you claimed I said I want people to stop criticizing trump which is flat out bs. Now you're saying I criticize "the left" for having issue with racism? I don't think I've even used words like "the left". I don't even have issues with left? Who do you think I am exactly? [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheHydra;50701295]you are repeatedly extrapolating things from his statement that aren't there. trump appeals to lower class workers (of which uneducated people are most likely to be) who feel that the government has failed them (this is a very real and valid concern) and radical change like trump is a way out. however, considering his alienation of the black and mexican populations as well as significant damage to his support among women, this leaves mainly uneducated white men as his supporter base. it's not an insult, it's a statement of fact. there's nothing wrong with being a white guy who doesn't have a college degree. it's just hard to win the presidency off their support alone.[/QUOTE] Everything here's pretty sound but lower class? Wouldn't that be Bernie? I thought Trump didn't like the $15 min wage and a lot of his stuff even says middle class on it. What's making them like Trump? I'm not aware of how lower class is benefited or supposed to be benefited Edit: Or were you including the ship jumping Bernie supporters
Why did you immediately talk about welfare and blacks then when it had nothing to do with trumps main voting demographic that you CLEARLY seem to have a problem with? None of us think you are anything but avoiding answering questions I and other users ask before switching focus.
I was saying if it wasn't trump and wasn't white males we'd all be on his ass
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701351]Do you think I'm someone else or something? You've cited falsehood on me twice today. Early you claimed I said I want people to stop criticizing trump which is flat out bs. Now you're saying I criticize "the left" for having issue with racism? I don't think I've even used words like "the left". I don't even have issues with left? Who do you think I am exactly? [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] Everything here's pretty sound but lower class? Wouldn't that be Bernie? I thought Trump didn't like the $15 min wage and a lot of his stuff even says middle class on it. What's making them like Trump? I'm not aware of how lower class is benefited or supposed to be benefited Edit: Or were you including the ship jumping Bernie supporters[/QUOTE] Suppose you happen to be lower middle or regular middle class, just living a reasonable life, and then out of the blue something happens like downsizing at your job or the place where you work at closes down, so now you have no job and very little money, which is one situation where people might feel vulnerable enough to support the radical changes like Trump does in the desperate hope that he might make things better. Another hypothetical would be if you happen to be stuck in a stagnating position at work (no upward mobility, few required skills for upward mobility, locked out due to qualifications needed, etc.) and those people might also be desperate enough to try voting for him because they see no other possible alternative. Compound having a family to support, and not being able to give them any of the good things in life, and you have a free crop of support waiting to happen for populists like Trump.
That doesn't sound right. That sounds more like an Obama thing back in the day, I don't think Trump's plans outlined in his official stuff helps the people you're talking about Like I get it, but I thought he was saying stuff specifically to improve middle/working class [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] Oh you said low middle. But the other guy said lower
the anti establishment crowd encompasses the lower classes. So do his appeals to religious and social conservatism.
That's more Bernie to me though? I mean before this morning anyway. I get that people think trump is some politician smasher that's destroying the political system from the inside out but I'd think he's still pretty damn establishment given all that money and real estate
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50701413]That's more Bernie to me though? I mean before this morning anyway. I get that people think trump is some politician smasher that's destroying the political system from the inside out but I'd think he's still pretty damn establishment given all that money and real estate[/QUOTE] Trump began the national conversation about a white house outsider that Hillary then legitimized accidentally at the start of the general election campaign. This has been one of Trump's talking points since he announced himself in the running, which is why he attracts the antiestablishemnt vote. The poorer and formally uneducated portions of the antiestablishment demographic often dont independently fact check or think that trumps background doesnt preclude his stance as an outsider.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50700880]The victim complex in this thread is ironically strong.[/QUOTE] The Olympic level mental gymnastics of some of these posters is actually incredible. The idea that Trump critics are all crazy sjws is so disconnected from reality it's almost as absurd as saying that Trump is more liberal than hillary. Which sadly, some people here do actually say.
Confirmed! [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/753398572515725312[/media]
Still hoping he picks something completely out there like David Duke.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50705913]Confirmed! [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/753398572515725312[/media][/QUOTE] His kids want Pence, His Gut says Christie/Newt according to sources.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50705920]His kids want Pence, His Gut says Christie/Newt according to sources.[/QUOTE] His book advises following your gut He tells of a story where he woke up feeling odd about an oil deal and called it off, then oil crashed and the person he was dealing with lost out big time. He said the lesson he learned was to follow your gut despite how good something sounds So if he's said his gut said something he's likely to go with that Of course it's a business advice book from forever ago so who knows
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