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[QUOTE=benwaddi;50635897]The Snowden situation is multifaceted, he did release important info but my worries about leaks like that have always been about how it knocks on. Does it make government agencies more underground and force their hand into acting against journalists and whistle blowers? Snowden certainly seemed to think it might. So I hold reserve on calling him a hero until we know more. I'm not sold on the coincidence of the whole Russian thing, I know that will make you salty as hell but considering the shit we already know governments do, its entirely in the realm of possibilities but again I'm holding back on saying he's a traitor or a patriot until I know more. But my opinion probably wont be swayed by people who venerate him or demonise the guy. There is no doubt however that prosecuting a SOS would do damage to internal whistle blowing regarding security measures. Should she be punished? in an ideal world, yes if she is guilty but the repercussions could cause more damage than it is worth.[/QUOTE] Our whistleblowing protection is shit already.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;50635897]There is no doubt however that prosecuting a SOS would do damage to internal whistle blowing regarding security measures. Should she be punished? in an ideal world, yes if she is guilty but the repercussions could cause more damage than it is worth.[/QUOTE] How would prosecuting the Secretary of State discourage whistle blowing? More importantly, even if it would, does that mean the Secretary of State should be held unaccountable for fear that prosecution might deter whistleblowers? Nothing you say makes sense.
Even if she gets off for now, remember that Trump will make sure justice gets served. She's not just running for president, she's running for her life.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50635999]So will when we know when the obvious happens of her getting off scout free[/QUOTE] According to sources telling CNN (No fucking longer can be called Clinton News Network, they just fucking hired Corey Lewdownsky) in two weeks.
:Toxx: for 24 days for me if shes gets jail time or gets told to leave the race
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50636019]According to sources telling CNN (No fucking longer can be called Clinton News Network, they just fucking hired Corey Lewdownsky) in two weeks.[/QUOTE] They hired him to make him talk smack about Donald Trump but he just praised Trump and the campaign. They're still as biased as ever.
[QUOTE=srobins;50636008]How would prosecuting the Secretary of State discourage whistle blowing? More importantly, even if it would, does that mean the Secretary of State should be held unaccountable for fear that prosecution might deter whistleblowers? Nothing you say makes sense.[/QUOTE] our whistleblowing protection is really thin, he's afraid it will damage it even more,
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50636033]our whistleblowing protection is really thin, he's afraid it will damage it even more,[/QUOTE] I'm not understanding what the connection between Secretary of State and whistleblowing is.
[QUOTE=srobins;50635579] I like how quickly you back down from "Snowden is way worse than Clinton"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=srobins;50635755] Anyone that thinks Snowden is worse than Clinton is.. [/QUOTE] I never said Snowden was worse than Clinton, I said in terms of data security his breach was a whole hell of a lot worse. That doesn't make him qualitatively worse, nor does it make him the Bad Guy to Clinton's Good Guy. [QUOTE=srobins;50635755]Not very intelligent, imo.[/QUOTE] People who disagree with the arguments I make for them are stupid too. Internet debates. [editline]2nd July 2016[/editline] snip, not continuing this discussion about Snowden anymore, it's offtopic and going nowhere fast.
[QUOTE=srobins;50635984]Explain to me what is hypocritical about supporting a whistleblower while disliking someone who violated security protocols for personal gain and then covered it up. I don't think you have a very comprehensive grasp of the concept of hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] How was it for personal gain? Is that speculation or did I miss something?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50636074]I never said Snowden was worse than Clinton, I said in terms of data security his breach was a whole hell of a lot worse. That doesn't make him qualitatively worse, nor does it make him the Bad Guy to Clinton's Good Guy. People who disagree with the arguments I make for them are stupid too. Internet debates. [editline]2nd July 2016[/editline] snip, not continuing this discussion about Snowden anymore, it's offtopic and going nowhere fast.[/QUOTE] You definitely did not say that. You said what Snowden did was way worse than Clinton and implied he was a traitor for the Russians. Nice backpedaling. Not only did you never qualify your comparison as being "in terms of a data breach" but that has nothing to do with what we were discussing so it doesn't even make sense as an excuse to get put from under your awful comparison. [editline]3rd July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;50636129]How was it for personal gain? Is that speculation or did I miss something?[/QUOTE] Having email hosted privately meant having control over access and thus the ability to ignore or impede FOIA requests as well as delete evidence of any wrongdoing should an investigation take place.. Like it is now. Anything further is speculation.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;50635792]Oh give me a break, you cant put a slant on that and then call other not intelligent. I'm not even defending Hillary, I'm pointing out how hypocritical it is to selectively implement the law and the impending tears you will have when Hillary isn't prosecuted. If you had any foresight or half a clue you would know that's how this plays out. I guess I found who has the dirty knees though.[/QUOTE] SNOWDEN DID IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE HILLARY IS JUST LAZY AND NEEDS TO CROAK ASAP ALONG WOTH BILL CLINTON [editline]3rd July 2016[/editline] every fucking night I prey to whatever hellish deity that decided to create me that hillary dies, I'm talking naturally, I'm not totes advocating for someone with a rifle to do the do.
so will I need to worry about my :TOXX: for 24 days ( if Clition goes to jail or told to leave race I will toxx my self for 24 days)
Ahahahahahahahahahaha this election is such a shit show you guys are legitimately throwing away all common sense to defend either side as you know no matter how hard you try both choices are utter shit. "No I'm a fucking debate god and I'm not gonan talk to you anymore" lmao chill did you forget to hit your vape this mornin or something. If everyone else is a total idiot like you seem to think then why the fuck haven't you smart asses at least fooled them into agreeing with you.
[QUOTE=srobins;50636151]You definitely did not say that. [/QUOTE] You're wrong, but I'm done with that topic. PM me if you want to continue this discussion [QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50636250]so will I need to worry about my :TOXX: for 24 days ( if Clition goes to jail or told to leave race I will toxx my self for 24 days)[/QUOTE] She is not going to be indicted.
"I think you're wrong and I might beat you 1v1 so i don't want anyone else to disprove my arguments, meet me in the pm dog we Goin to MY home turf"
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;50636326]Ahahahahahahahahahaha this election is such a shit show you guys are legitimately throwing away all common sense to defend either side as you know no matter how hard you try both choices are utter shit. "No I'm a fucking debate god and I'm not gonan talk to you anymore" lmao chill did you forget to hit your vape this mornin or something. If everyone else is a total idiot like you seem to think then why the fuck haven't you smart asses at least fooled them into agreeing with you.[/QUOTE] This election is a fucking shitshow, Clinton isn't 100% clean either, it just Trump really want's to turn back the clock on a lot of things.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50636327]You're wrong, but I'm done with that topic. PM me if you want to continue this discussion She is not going to be indicted.[/QUOTE] Yeah, she has too many fingers in the DOJ and Obama Administration's pies. Cash is what makes people get out of trouble Lord please have hillary shitnton get hit by a truck please baphomet [editline]3rd July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50636374]This election is a fucking shitshow, Clinton isn't 100% clean either, it just Trump really want's to turn back the clock on a lot of things.[/QUOTE] I vote for nuclear war this election year
no update as of yet?
It's fucking psychotic especially considering how everyone's been up in arms about trump claiming he'd building a wall between Mexico and the states like it's not something they already did in California, alledgely one of the most left leaning states. [IMG]http://america.aljazeera.com/content/ajam/articles/2015/9/5/walls-world-keep-foreigners-out/jcr:content/mainpar/textimage/image.adapt.480.low.border_fence_073014.1447285468870.jpg[/IMG] Now normally I'd say that the racist and nationalistic undertones of the current political right field are worrying, but they're becoming more and more prevalent because of the "holier than thou" mindset we've taken on the left. It's ironic that especially here in facepunch, a forum where we so often cry out against censorship by the governments of the world, seem so accepting of this personal ignorance and borderline censorship of the other side of a debate. There's a reason that the lower classes are "voting against themselves" in not only this election, but also the recent Brexit vote. With lower class there is often low education, and yet in this political debate we always use intelligence as some sort of dick measure to prove ourselves right. And yet here we stand, at a point in time where we will host massive backlash against a mother who's child is caught by a gator swimming, or a racist we see on YouTube and protest and riot for a young man killed by racial prejudices. We will nearly kill our fellow citizens over minor differences, yet when our leaders are pardoning themselves and violating rules which would end the career of a soldier fighting to protect his nation, we stand idle and in acceptance as "at least this candidate is more socially progressive". It's a great choice you guys have, an untouchable alleged threat to national security or a brash and ignorant alleged child rapist. I wish you all well in the coming years, and as a Nova Scotian who has already met some who have come here to avoid your future, there's always Cape Breton ya shmucks.
Yes. Preach brotherrrrr! :joy: I'm sure a lot of Facepunch isn't in this crowd, but the regressives have to come back centre.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50636584]Yes. Preach brotherrrrr! :joy: I'm sure a lot of Facepunch isn't in this crowd, but the regressives have to come back centre.[/QUOTE] God bless canadia Trudeau not included
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50636588]God bless canadia Trudeau not included[/QUOTE] Soon Trump will win and annex Canada, Trudeau included. At least there can be peace with Russia. :clown:
[QUOTE=orgornot;50636016]Even if she gets off for now, remember that Trump will make sure justice gets served. She's not just running for president, she's running for her life.[/QUOTE] What powers do you think the president has
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