• This is Why You Should Feel Guilty for Buying Your iPhone
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why is everything bad when apple does something? this is seriously annoying me. Apple never went out and said "our products are made ethically" they just provide aesthetically appealing products. this comes as no surprise to me and I still consider Apple the same way I did before.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides[/url] Mother of fuck, now I feel guilty for owning a Samsung phone :smith:
[QUOTE=Paravin;34513491]herp DERP FUCK APPLE ANDROID MASTER RACE, ALL APPLE USERS SHOULD BE SENT TO DEATH CAMPS AND MURDERED ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES. DON'T BE LIKE THE MASSES - GO ANDROID.[/QUOTE] Do you ever read the OP in these threads? [editline]2nd February 2012[/editline] Like seriously, you do this in EVERY apple related thread.
[QUOTE=Killuah;34514047]They would have their own work. They would have their own industry instead of being the sweatshop of the world. See where these "would" take use? "Would" never works. "Work is work" is easy to say when you grow up i countries where laws and livig standard do not allow for conditions like that. The more correct term would be "cheap electronics are cheap". Because WE would not want to pay the money that would be necessary to improve the conditions of there workers. Your argumentation is exacly why just "giving more money" is NOT the way to change this but rather "not allowing buisines practices like this" And we can only do that by raising awareness. And because the majority of people don't give a shit unless it comes to money, especially the companies, maybe taxing is the way to go.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately I live in the real world. This is just the way things are and nothing will change it.
It's not like foxconn employees are enslaved, if they feel unsafe/overworked they should seek employment elsewhere. I frankly could not give a flying fuck as to in what conditions my apple products were produced.
Saw an article a week or so ago about how tons of people were LINING UP to get a job at Foxconn. Just shows how badly these people need work.
posting with foxconn components
[IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/142731.png?garryis=awesome[/IMG] OP's pic, Proof of bias?
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;34520045][IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/142731.png?garryis=awesome[/IMG] OP's pic, Proof of bias?[/QUOTE] Did you really [i]need[/i] proof?
i think the title you were looking for is; "This is Why You Should Feel Guilty for Living in The Western Consumerist World". and you should, but it won't solve anything.
Welcome to the Industrial Revolution.
I love my iPhone, and I'll continue to purchase more Apple products, because no matter how hard I try I can never make any of that my problem. SO I'll just enjoy some quality products!
[QUOTE=nivek;34521322]I love my iPhone, and I'll continue to purchase more Apple products, because no matter how hard I try I can never make any of that my problem. SO I'll just enjoy some quality products![/QUOTE] That's really how it probably should be, I wish people would just let others be and let apple fans enjoy their products, and google fans enjoy theirs.. ETC
androids suck, my iphone is way cooler don't pretend to give a fuck about sweatshops when all of your clothes come from them
The sweatshops aren't bad because of the horrible working conditions, they're bad because apple buys from them Motorola buys from them too, this means my android sucks too
tracfone master race
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34516230]The Foxconn suicide epidemic is greatly exaggerated. Foxconn workers actually have a lower suicide rate than the Chinese national average![/QUOTE] China's national average is also widely known to be [URL="http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/hrp.9.1.1.12"]artificially high due to specific high-risk demographics[/URL], making any comparison to the national average moot.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34522494]China's national average is also widely known to be [URL="http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/hrp.9.1.1.12"]artificially high due to specific high-risk demographics[/URL], making any comparison to the national average moot.[/QUOTE] It won't let me view the PDF, mind summarizing?
[URL="http://csrp.hku.hk/files/66_449_61.pdf"]Fuck that one, use this one.[/URL] [editline]2nd February 2012[/editline] Point isn't even that it's necessarily higher it's that saying "look this arbitrary no-rate quantity is lower than this other rated quantity that must mean things are hunky dory" is a meaningless comparison either way. Unless somebody has a Foxconn stat that takes an average over a prolonged period of time you can't say it's high or low or burgundy or bananas.
Title is pretty stupid. "Something bad happened so you should feel bad that you bought a product when you have nothing to do with what happened" I know apple is a pretty shitty company but shut the fuck up and stop making titles like that.
Sweatshops aren't bad. It's easy to point at something and say its bad when you compare it to the way things work in a country that has already gone through around 250ish years of iteration. China has gone through maybe 60 years of developement. If you look to history you'll see sweatshops are the stepping stone from a production based economy to a service based one. If you abolish sweatshops, what will the millions of unemployed workers do? Go back and toil on the farms? Sweatshops are bad, but its the best thing given their options.
Car manufacturers use CAM systems, why can't they? Is it really too expensive for phone companies to invest in CAM systems?
[QUOTE=LF9000;34523504]Sweatshops aren't bad. It's easy to point at something and say its bad when you compare it to the way things work in a country that has already gone through around 250ish years of iteration. China has gone through maybe 60 years of developement. If you look to history you'll see sweatshops are the stepping stone from a production based economy to a service based one. If you abolish sweatshops, what will the millions of unemployed workers do? Go back and toil on the farms? Sweatshops are bad, but its the best thing given their options.[/QUOTE] It's not a black and white choice between sweatshops and farm work, they can create better conditions without closing entirely. If you look in the industrial revolution of other countries, they may have started with bad labor practices but the workers eventually unionized. The only problem is that in China that will get you in jail.
[QUOTE=Araknid;34523079]Title is pretty stupid. "Something bad happened so you should feel bad that you bought a product when you have nothing to do with what happened" I know apple is a pretty shitty company but shut the fuck up and stop making titles like that.[/QUOTE] That's a terrible comparison, by buying a product you are directly supporting the company that is committing that action intentionally. Also - to all the people blindly crying "SO MANY COMPANIES MAKE THINGS THERE!" here's something to think about. When your company signs on to work with a manufacturing plant, you make a contract with that company and you can set certain standards of quality and safety to be necessary. I'm not an expert on ISO standards but I believe safety of workers in your manufacturer is part of your rating. Now, I'm NOT saying all the other plants from other companies are nice places and I'm supporting Foxconn, I'm just saying that until there's proof that other companies have the same kind of atrocities comitted in their respective factories you can't just say "Everyone buys from them!".
uh there's proof that the other companies use the same factories.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34523794]uh there's proof that the other companies use the same factories.[/QUOTE] If you're gonna say that can you at least post a source? I mean you saying they use the exact same factories and conditions isn't much better than the last 20 people with no source other than a list of companies who buy from foxconn
you should have read the posts better. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn[/url]
[QUOTE=thisispain;34523853]you should have read the posts better. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn[/url][/QUOTE] Maybe you just didn't get what I said, but where in that does it say that all factories have the exact same working conditions? I mean once again, I didn't say the other ones are all fantastic with chocolate fountains - just that I've yet to see convincing evidence that every factory has the same conditions. I'm not supporting Foxconn here, just saying it's not fair to just say "Hey all these guys buy from this company too!" without investigating further.
Every company exploits workers, even in the U.S. you're more than likely not being paid for your true worth. It's just that in China, your worth is actually zero because of how easily you can be replaced for simple machine labor stuff like that. So the companies can get away with that kind of stuff easily.
I have an iPhone [b]and[/b] an iPad. By Mr. Android's standards, I guess that makes me worse than Hitler.
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