• President Obama: School year must be extended by month for US students to compete...
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[QUOTE=nemmises5;25099638]and we need to move every subject down 2 levels down.... algebra I in 7th grade....heh[/QUOTE] i had algebra 1 in 8th grade what the fuck
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25099639] [b]The reason we have so many dropouts and people getting jobs out of high school is because kids can't be interested in school if they're taught things they know they'll never use in a profession they aim for. Cut the bullshit at the end of elementary school and let kids pursue their profession choice from there.[/b][/QUOTE] This I agree with, although kids don't think that way. Sadly to admit I am almost at the end of my learning career and I still don't know what I want to be when I make it into the world.
I don't really care if they remove summer all together.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25099639]Why don't we just switch over to the vocational system and throw away this old piece of shit education system we have now. [/QUOTE] I'm in one of those. It is such a better way to go to school. What we do is one week in standard classes, then one week in the shop you picked to go into. [editline]01:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Afgman;25099773]I don't really care if they remove summer all together.[/QUOTE] That's because you're dumb and don't understand that that would not go over well with anybody.
As long as we don't get reduced vacations within 3 years, I don't give a shit. I'll be out.
[QUOTE=Afgman;25099773]I don't really care if they remove summer all together.[/QUOTE] Well then have a nice day never being able to rest completely, how about I remove your non-deductible vacation when you grow up?
[QUOTE=AutoTurret;25099753]This I agree with, although kids don't think that way. Sadly to admit I am almost at the end of my learning career and I still don't know what I want to be when I make it into the world.[/QUOTE] You're seventeen. You have college unless you're not going. I'm a year older than you, and I still have 10-13 years left in my education.
[QUOTE=AutoTurret;25099753]This I agree with, [b]although kids don't think that way[/b]. Sadly to admit I am almost at the end of my learning career and I still don't know what I want to be when I make it into the world.[/QUOTE] I think a good idea would be to have an early career adaptation test. Have the kids write down as much professions that they can think of, have them take the test then look for any matches in their list and the results and put the matches on a list for them to show some recommendations. Of course for the people that can't make a decision at the moment they can take standard classes till they are ready.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;25099875]You're seventeen. You have college unless you're not going. I'm a year older than you, and I still have 10-13 years left in my education.[/QUOTE] I guess for lack of better words I ask this like this... What are you being educated in?
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25099880]I think a good idea would be to have an early career adaptation test. Have the kids write down as much professions that they can think of, have them take the test then look for any matches in their list and the results and put the matches on a list for them to show some recommendations. Of course for the people that can't make a decision at the moment they can take standard classes till they are ready.[/QUOTE] As long as it's only recommendations. I think a test similar to that, along with some meetings career counsellings and meeting professionals of different industries, from the high-tech to the mundane should be a mandatory thing to do right before graduating high school.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;25099918]I guess for lack of better words I ask this like this... What are you being educated in?[/QUOTE] He's probably reaching for a doctorate in medicine or something.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;25099918]I guess for lack of better words I ask this like this... What are you being educated in?[/QUOTE] Biotechnology and Biomedical Engineering. 2 Years left of undergrad. 2 Years Master's (maybe, I may just go from undergrad to Doctoral level.) 5-8 Years PhD or MD/PhD Dual program.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;25099921]As long as it's only recommendations. I think a test similar to that, along with some meetings career counsellings and meeting professionals of different industries, from the high-tech to the mundane should be a mandatory thing to do right before graduating high school.[/QUOTE] I think we have a very good system here.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25099826]Well then have a nice day never being able to rest completely, how about I remove your non-deductible vacation when you grow up?[/QUOTE] You bastard.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;25099942]Biotechnology and Biomedical Engineering. 2 Years left of undergrad. 2 Years Master's (maybe, I may just go from undergrad to Doctoral level.) 5-8 Years PhD or MD/PhD Dual program.[/QUOTE] I was close! [editline]06:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Afgman;25099952]You bastard.[/QUOTE] It's your suggestion.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25099639]Why don't we just switch over to the vocational system and throw away this old piece of shit education system we have now. [B]The reason we have so many dropouts and people getting jobs out of high school is because kids can't be interested in school if they're taught things they know they'll never use in a profession they aim for. Cut the bullshit at the end of elementary school and let kids pursue their profession choice from there.[/B][/QUOTE] Holy fuck, this is exactly what I think we should be doing. The educational system now only traps kids in schools learning things that, let's be frank, they're not going to remember or use ever again. A few years in a formalized environment (elementary school) will get kids accustomed to working in a social manner and teach them a few basics that they [I]will[/I] need to use, like basic reading and writing. After that, we should let kids dictate where their educational career goes. I think the best way to learn a profession (or anything) is by actually working said profession. Kids can, therefore, learn from working with and observing scientists, or journalists, or actors, or whatever it is they want to be.
The main reason why China is ahead education wise is because everything is disciplined and regimented. Pretty much everything in the education system there is uniform and everyone learns the same things. Although it makes them very good at math and science which is good for a developing nations that needs engineers and scientists, they end up learning less about humanities (except English.) In America's case this type of thing wouldn't work because its not ingrained in our culture to be obedient. The US was founded by a revolution. If they lengthened the school year people would push back. Increasing the pay wouldn't necessarily work either. Sure it'd increase incentive, but most of the good teachers who actually want to teach are already teaching even with the crappy salaries. It might make more people who want a good wage just jump into being a teacher even if they're terrible. We'd get more people becoming teachers for all the wrong reasons. What I think should happen is a better way of hiring teachers. Of course it'd be hard to do since you'd have to start looking from college/grad school but I think it could help. Also, although it may entice bad people, raising the salary could help a bit as well.
[QUOTE=MrOwn1;25099402]every school i've been to takes school sports so fucking seriously it isn't even funny in private school everything was practically based around them[/QUOTE] When I was in my middle school, being a football player gives you "insta-popularity".
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;25099660]so what happens when civil war ends up on the exam and we only learned about 20th century and up?[/QUOTE] When I say "remove standards," this is what I mean. Under the current system, the teachers are told, for example, "State the importance of Thomas Jefferson in the Constitution" or something like that. They tell teachers EXACTLY how to teach the class, and the teachers never deviate from that extraordinarily narrow path because if the students miss something there, it reflects poorly on the teacher. If the teacher was instead told to "Teach the Civil War, including reasons for and results of the war," with no specifics listed in the standard whatsoever and was handed a book, then better teaching would naturally develop because the students would have to understand it, not just memorize a saying. There would also be a proper question to test the teacher (let's be honest, standardized tests test teachers, not students).
[QUOTE=markfu;25100069]The main reason why China is ahead education wise is because everything is disciplined and regimented. Pretty much everything in the education system there is uniform and everyone learns the same things. Although it makes them very good at math and science which is good for a developing nations that needs engineers and scientists, they end up learning less about humanities (except English.) In America's case this type of thing wouldn't work because its not ingrained in our culture to be obedient. [B]The US was founded by a revolution[/B]. If they lengthened the school year people would push back. Increasing the pay wouldn't necessarily work either. Sure it'd increase incentive, but most of the good teachers who actually want to teach are already teaching even with the crappy salaries. It might make more people who want a good wage just jump into being a teacher even if they're terrible. We'd get more people becoming teachers for all the wrong reasons. What I think should happen is a better way of hiring teachers. Of course it'd be hard to do since you'd have to start looking from college/grad school but I think it could help. Also, although it may entice bad people, raising the salary could help a bit as well.[/QUOTE] So was the PRC. regardless, the point is correct.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;25100096]When I was in my middle school, being a football player gives you "insta-popularity".[/QUOTE] same at my old middle school every football player was some sort of demigod to everyone else
What do they mean "Throwing money at schools"? Our school had to institute a tax for people who go there because we have NO money at all. We are the best in the state, but we are going to lose that when we have to lose all of our older (& better) teachers.
[QUOTE=markfu;25100069] What I think should happen is a better way of hiring teachers. Of course it'd be hard to do since you'd have to start looking from college/grad school but I think it could help. Also, although it may entice bad people, raising the salary could help a bit as well.[/QUOTE] Teachers in primary and secondary schools should have to compete in tenure-track positions similarly to assistant professorships in universities. If they don't perform up to expectations within a certain time period, they would be terminated and not allowed to apply for the same position in the same school for a period of time. As it is now, I believe there's no time restriction for public school teachers to be tenured, leading to the institutionalization of mediocrity on our educators.
[QUOTE=thisispain;25097651]oh whatever "LADY GAGA AND AMBERCROMBIE BAW BAW"[/QUOTE] Wut. Is there any reason why I can't agree with him? I think you're taking my earlier comment a bit out of context...
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25099639]Why don't we just switch over to the vocational system and throw away this old piece of shit education system we have now. [b]The reason we have so many dropouts and people getting jobs out of high school is because kids can't be interested in school if they're taught things they know they'll never use in a profession they aim for. Cut the bullshit at the end of elementary school and let kids pursue their profession choice from there.[/b][/QUOTE] Now this is one of the dumbest things I have heard in this thread yet. I suppose in this perfect world no one would have anything better than a vocational education? There is a reason we do not specialize until college and nothing you learn in highschool is useless.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25099826]Well then have a nice day never being able to rest completely, how about I remove your non-deductible vacation when you grow up?[/QUOTE] I'd only be okay with removing summer if they added 1-2 days of effective school weekend
[QUOTE=AutoTurret;25099753]This I agree with, although kids don't think that way. Sadly to admit I am almost at the end of my learning career and I still don't know what I want to be when I make it into the world.[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself. I've known that I wanted to get into concept design and comic books and the like for years.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;25100543]Now this is one of the dumbest things I have heard in this thread yet. I suppose in this perfect world no one would have anything better than a vocational education? There is a reason we do not specialize until college and nothing you learn in highschool is useless.[/QUOTE] I suppose then I need to really know about ancient civilizations and every single word in the diction...[B]BULLSHIT![/B] If you do want to be a historian or some kind of writer be my guest. I want to pursue a career in videogame development. I don't need to know the exact details behind homer writing down the odyssey, european formation, reading useless passages from a fucking anthology. I do understand that I need to know basic social skills such as basic maths, writing, reading, speech and vocabulary, basic understanding of important events in history for how the world goes 'round properly. If you really think you're going to go into a field like lets say automotive engineering will you need to know the principals of ancient literature? No, what you say is completely wrong. I'm sure most teachers would even agree with me, I think they'd be much happier if they had students that would attentively and excitedly listen and learn what they were being taught. Instead of having students that fail the class just 'cause they think it's boring and stupid.
bahah US education
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;25099875]You're seventeen. You have college unless you're not going. I'm a year older than you, and I still have 10-13 years left in my education.[/QUOTE] I'm done with highschool but I still have 2 years left in my education. my dad always gave me 3 options: college, military, or gay porn. I chose college. I'm damn near fed up with school though and I'm starting to regret not going into gay porn
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