President Obama: School year must be extended by month for US students to compete...
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25103479]What the hell is your obsession with stomach aches about.
And wouldn't a 4.0 GPA student disagreeing with you completely destroy your premise that everyone who thinks the school system is shit is lazy?[/QUOTE]
cause that's the most common shit i hear, my co-worker always tells the nurse lady by phone, it's okay for his son to go home cause he has a stomach ache. which is mostly everyday.
and not really, anyone can claim anything in the internet, and even then, the 4.0 GPA student would say he got the grade because he actually did his work.
seriously, academic-wise, im dumb. If I can pass or do well without crying, so they can they.
And your co-worker represents most parents in America?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;25103482]well, get rid of students that doesn't wanna do shit, we don't spend tax money on them??[/QUOTE]
And then it bites us in the ass when they all go on welfare.
Also, the reason school is compulsory is because kids at that age are not smart or mature enough to make such decisions on their own. In the fourth grade I did not like school at all and was bullied to the point that I wanted to drop out.
I am glad that I was required to go through it because the alternative would be me being completely uneducated.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;25103563]And then it bites us in the ass when they all go on welfare.
Also, the reason school is compulsory is because kids at that age are not smart or mature enough to make such decisions on their own. In the fourth grade I did not like school at all and was bullied to the point that I wanted to drop out.
I am glad that I was required to go through it because the alternative would be me being completely uneducated.[/QUOTE]
huh.
point made, i retract my point of kicking out students
but they need to stop whining.
Stop lowering the passing grades and letting Texas write your textbooks and you should be fine.
A conspiracy theory behind all this is corporations want the American public to be thick and ignorant, they might just end up realizing what they're missing out on in Europe otherwise.
[QUOTE=Vasili;25103936]Stop lowering the passing grades and letting Texas write your textbooks and you should be fine.
A conspiracy theory behind all this is corporations want the American public to be thick and ignorant, they might just end up realizing what they're missing out on in Europe otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Texas writes the schoolbooks for texas. :downs:
And that's the biggest load of bullshit i've ever heard. Everything isn't a corporate conspiracy.
Silly Obama, you can't fix kids laziness with extra school time.
[QUOTE=Sodisna;25104332]Silly Obama, you can't fix kids laziness with extra school time.[/QUOTE]
Actually, you can. Maybe not for this generation of students, but the next one will have no complaints over the change. The new wave will have better work ethic by comparison and remember more, which means they will require less review time at the start of the next year.
I can see it now. Kids taken away from parents a birth. And given back after they graduate. Yup. NO REVIEW TIME. What the hell do you want freaky? Zombie children?
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And not the awesome kind of zombie
I think it's a good thing, a month of extra revision for exams is a great thing that you most likely won't do yourself because you're lazy and don't have the willpower.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;25104500]I think it's a good thing, a month of extra revision for exams is a great thing that you most likely won't do yourself because you're lazy and don't have the willpower.[/QUOTE]
No, this is dumb. If we're going to be "competing" educationally, we need to use the same amount of time for more advanced information being taught, not more time for the same standardized bullshit. Students shouldn't need an extra month to study for shit, they should be able to do just as well on a time crunch since in real life and in real jobs, there are time crunches.
The more I think about it, we should be SHORTENING the school year with the same amount of work load if anything, without changing the budget available for teacher salaries. This way, teachers are paid the same amount to work for a less amount of time, and less time is wasted in class because teachers have less time to work with and students who are actually willing to learn will realize this. "Problem" students should just be ejected from the classroom(s) in which serious students attend to actually learn stuff.
[QUOTE=DSG;25104667]No, this is dumb. If we're going to be "competing" educationally, we need to use the same amount of time for more advanced information being taught, not more time for the same standardized bullshit. [B]Students shouldn't need an extra money to study for shit, they should be able to do just as well on a time crunch since in real life and in real jobs, there are time crunches.
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[B]The more I think about it, we should be SHORTENING the school year with the same amount of work load if anything, without changing the budget available for teacher salaries. This way, teachers are paid the same amount to work for a less amount of time, and less time is wasted in class because teachers have less time to work with and students who are actually willing to learn will realize this. "Problem" students should just be ejected from the classroom(s) in which serious students attend to actually learn stuff.[/B][/QUOTE]
That is even worse! You want less time for the students to learn and truly lock in any information taught. less time for teacher/student interaction/helping. An even longer break to allow students to forget/get out of practice with skills learned.
Seriously, did you even think before writing that?
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;25104705]That is even worse! You want less time for the students to learn and truly lock in any information taught. less time for teacher/student interaction/helping. An even longer break to allow students to forget/get out of practice with skills learned.
Seriously, did you even think before writing that?[/QUOTE]
It's better than Obama's idea.
[QUOTE=DSG;25104716]It's better than Obama's idea.[/QUOTE]
How? His idea will allow students
A) Less time to forget/lose touch with things learned over the summer. This means less review will be needed the next year.
B) More time for each topic to be taught and reinforced.
C) More time for teacher/student interaction.
I see no problem with adding a month and it is absolutely illogical to think otherwise. I have yet to see a real legitimate issue with his plan.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;25104765]How? His idea will allow students
A) Less time to forget/lose touch with things learned over the summer. This means less review will be needed the next year.
B) More time for each topic to be taught and reinforced.
C) More time for teacher/student interaction.
I see no problem with adding a month and it is absolutely illogical to think otherwise. I have yet to see a real legitimate issue with his plan.[/QUOTE]
A) The only good thing about this.
B) No, the same amount of time will be used for the same material, meaning there will be a lot of wasted class time for the exact same curriculum. About 20 minutes from each of my classes is a complete waste on a daily basis, unless there's a test or something. I have no doubt that it's the same (or worse) in most other schools, regardless of level (elementary/middle/high).
C) By extending the number of days rather than hours per day, it's the same amount of class time per day with each teacher.
Then there are the tons of other factors other people have already mentioned throughout this thread, such as students not willing to put up with year-round school and more kids being likely to drop out or not be as motivated with a longer commitment to general, standardized education.
It's not the amount of education that needs reform, it's the procedure of education that needs to be heavily reconsidered.
ITT: Kids raging about having to spend another month at school
[QUOTE=DSG;25104851]A) The only good thing about this.
B) No, the same amount of time will be used for the same material, meaning there will be a lot of wasted class time for the exact same curriculum. About 20 minutes from each of my classes is a complete waste on a daily basis, unless there's a test or something. I have no doubt that it's the same (or worse) in most other schools, regardless of level (elementary/middle/high).
C) By extending the number of days rather than hours per day, it's the same amount of class time per day with each teacher.
Then there are the tons of other factors other people have already mentioned throughout this thread, such as students not willing to put up with year-round school and more kids being likely to drop out or not be as motivated with a longer commitment to general, standardized education.
It's not the amount of education that needs reform, it's the procedure of education that needs to be heavily reconsidered.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but how old are you? Your reading comprehension is terrible.
By extending the number of class days, it is increasing the amount of total time the teacher sees the student. This means more teacher/student interaction, doesn't it?
To answer your response to B:
Who says the same amount of time will be used on each subject? Are you saying the added days will have nothing taught on them? If there are more days to teach 8 topics in the class, then each topic will get more days to be taught.
He should be working on improving the quality of education students are getting before extending it.
[QUOTE=Frisk;25104901]He should be working on improving the quality of education students are getting before extending it.[/QUOTE]
Read the last 11 pages for explanation.
I hate how when it comes to education systems people always point to how shitty the school systems are in the city. They don't care about the outlying areas. [i]"Oh they're in a more affluent area, their schools are fine."[/i] Bullshit, DC schools may suck but so do the areas around them. I wish there was more a focus on all the schools that get left out instead of trying CONSTANTLY to improve a school system that hasn't shown much benefit from the efforts. I'm no longer in school but regardless I had a pretty shitty experience while I was there. I learned, and it might not have been as same shitty caliber as DC school systems, but I still had to overcome some hurdles to get there. When are our schools going to get the same attention?
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Lemme state from personal experience. One very viable solution is to decrease the amount of students to teachers. The more personal and attentive the group can be to the higher the likeliness of success. Teaching the kids to learn, not to pass the test will increase their grades. There's a huge focus on getting the kids through standardised testing nowadays, and it's the administration's fault. They don't care for intangible but clearly visible success stories, they only care about statistical results. As long as they can pass the test they don't care about comprehension. You can teach a kid all the right answers but that doesn't mean he'll understand what the fucking answer means. What we need to instill in the kids is the desire to go out and learn more, to broaden their experience on the subject. Not just teach them quick little tidbits so the school's testing scores stay at an acceptable level. I've seen and heard both sides of the equation. I come from a family of teachers, I know the way these things work, to an extent. I've been involved in more than one of the solutions. In fact I'm a product of the solution I proposed.
You can't change the school system without changing the student mentality - at least of the most. Right now, in the US, and in many many developed country, they're full of themselves, they don't care about anything because the previous generation settled in nicely and they're just mooching off of parents or something.
Also maybe replace "they" with "we".
As long as youth of today has some way of easily flowing through life without much work, they'll take it.
[QUOTE=James*;25095091]Maybe US education would improve if the teachers were paid a decent salary instead[/QUOTE]
uhh
don't know where you're from, but during my senior year i was lumped in a class with a brand new, 24 year old history teacher, and she was getting paid THIRTY TWO DOLLARS an hour
sounds pretty decent to me
I fucking hate you now, Obama. You cannot give more school days to angtsy teens and expect them to like it. The most that can come of this is them completely refusing to do work during that month, or come to school for that matter, and then tell you to go fuck yourself. Maybe, just maybe, if you PAYED THE FUCKING TEACHERS PROPER, IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
i blame the teacher's union
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25095250]want to compete with china? easy
make our culture oppressive and obsessive and watch the suicide rate skyrocket
you'll have plenty of intelligent heartless fucks[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you talking about. You're obviously too hard-ass to accept that Chinese people want their children smart, and they're FUCKING BETTER FOR IT.
fuck the teacher's union
Wait, you get 3 months of summer?
We British only get 6 weeks.
Fucking lol. Yeah, this will definitely help. Since we spend the first 10 years of our education preparing for a standardized test, and the next two years after that going "Well...You sure gave that test hell :D You are so prepared for the real world!"
Lol american school system
[QUOTE=Asrue2;25108515]Wait, you get 3 months of summer?
We British only get 6 weeks.[/QUOTE]
Americans get it easy compared to us and they still complain.
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