• President Obama: School year must be extended by month for US students to compete...
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;25097588]No our school system is fine and we have plenty of time it's just that kids don't give enough of a shit to learn and I guarantee adding more time to their school year is not going to motivate them.[/QUOTE] i basically said this a few pages ago but nobody listened
More time, or better funding?
[QUOTE=thisispain;25097651]to me the biggest problem is that there's too much bureaucracy and not enough emphasis on the developing mind i mean come on, kids shouldn't have to take tests in elementary school, if you're already told you suck at that young age you're not gonna be motivated for your entire life[/QUOTE] Really? I never had to take them in elementary school... I don't think. I barely remember but I'm fairly sure it was mostly about participation. Our school system may not be universally fine. Obviously some public schools are in a better position than others but I really think student apathy is the biggest issue.
what a horrible idea
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;25097708]Really? I never had to take them in elementary school... I don't think. I barely remember but I'm fairly sure it was mostly about participation. Our school system may not be universally fine. Obviously some public schools are in a better position than others but I really think student apathy is the biggest issue.[/QUOTE] texas has the TAKS test every fucking year in every fucking grade it's also the only thing the teachers really care about
[QUOTE=Xion12;25096904]I think they are since a requirement of high school is to get at least 2 years of a foreign language.[/QUOTE] It is here, at my school you have the choice of Spanish, German, Latin, and French.
[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;25095182]What Obama is forgetting is that those kids actually goto school LESS than United States kids in most cases. Quantity =/= Quality[/QUOTE]nope in all of the cases where they have more school days they also have more total time. and quantity =/= quality correct but surely test cores have shown that there is a direct relation. also, kids from foreign countries are often taught 2 foreign languages at the least, and at a very early age. in most situations with the united states, it's an option, and in high school, junior high at the earliest. it's not that knowing another language makes you smarter, but it makes you life a tiny bit easier, and the process of learning another language, in short, widens the road for thought process. think of a second language as exercising.
How about we teach more in a year. All we need to do is teach people how to teach themselves. Teaching to the test is pretty worthless. Whats the point of learning how to solve x + 5 = 8 if they aren't given a real world application of what they're learning. Giving kids a gigantic list of 50 math problems to do overnight would have the opposite effect of what was desired. When I was doing that, I didn't have any emotional connection with the problem and if I didn't see an answer right off the bat I wasn't going to spend all night trying to figure it out because I had 49 other problems to do. What we ought to do is give more projects. Give the kids one big problem that might take a couple of weeks to do, and have them present it. But no, we have to have a bazillion problems with no meaning at all and expect kids to regurgitate arbitrary answers. Therefore, Obama is dumbass if he thinks extending the time we spend cramming meaningless garbage into kid's heads is going to help. With the current system most kids don't give a shit about school. All they care about is getting a passing grade, and they don't care if they came out any smarter than they went in.
Another reason why Canada rocks
[QUOTE=postmanX3;25095104]Making the school year longer isn't going to help anything. It won't. What we need to focus on is improving the quality of education, not the quantity.[/QUOTE] DING DING DING, we have a winner!
Yes, YES! Pretty much everything cupcakes just said [editline]11:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=MEOWTFLOL;25097793]DING DING DING, we have a winner![/QUOTE] DING DING DING WE HAVE A LATE z
In the real world nobody gives a shit about these stupid trivia problems kids do in school. Real workers receive a project that they spend a huge amount of time, and they have access to all reference material they can get their hands on. Memorizing stupid formulas like the integral of the hyperbolic cosine is stupid because once you're out of school you can just google it and that would actually be preferred.
noooo how will i work at weld specialties then
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;25097830]In the real world nobody gives a shit about these stupid trivia problems kids do in school. Real workers receive a project that they spend a huge amount of time, and they have access to all reference material they can get their hands on. Memorizing stupid formulas like the integral of the hyperbolic cosine is stupid because once you're out of school you can just google it and that would actually be preferred.[/QUOTE] Really? We shouldn't be teaching the pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge? We should just be gearing kids up for jobs? That seems a sad view of the purpose of education to me.
I agree with Obama that our education and expectations are dropping here in America and its undeniable. However, another month won't do jackshit if goddamn kids don't apply themselves. [editline]11:37PM[/editline] Also, it's true that most the time in school, we are preparing ourselves for tests and good grades. Meaning we only retain information for that certain period of time. It's not the satisfaction of understanding and exceeding anymore, its being a top notch student working for the grade.
although i do like my school so eh
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;25097708]Really? I never had to take them in elementary school... I don't think. I barely remember but I'm fairly sure it was mostly about participation. Our school system may not be universally fine. Obviously some public schools are in a better position than others but I really think student apathy is the biggest issue.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's something newer they started doing halfway through the last decade. Anyway I can pretty much say that adding more school days won't fix the problem. One year an experiment was done on our district where we had our winter vacation time cut in half along with other various vacation day cuts like teacher planning days (which they substituted by holding meetings every month an hour before school starts) along with earlier start times and also stricter policies regarding snow days (they wouldn't let us have any). I don't think it improved much other than people getting frost bite and a kid dying from spinning out and crashing when driving on ice because they got rid of it and never boasted the results. Best way to improve the education system in my opinion is getting kids out of a classroom mindset. Do apprenticeship programs and make learning more fun and they will see an improvement
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;25097916]Really? We shouldn't be teaching the pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge? We should just be gearing kids up for jobs? That seems a sad view of the purpose of education to me.[/QUOTE] The fact is that there are kids that just want to be a mechanic. What's the point of doing complex math and science if they're just going to work on cars their whole life? Not all kids should learn the same things. And I'm not even saying that they shouldn't pursue knowledge. I'm just saying there needs to be some meaning behind it. Instead of giving 50 problems to do for the next day, ask them how they'd launch a rocket to the moon (as an example) and give them 3 or 4 weeks to work on it. And they can access any reference material they want.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;25097986]The fact is that there are kids that just want to be a mechanic. What's the point of doing complex math and science if they're just going to work on cars their whole life?[/QUOTE] So you want them to not know things just because they may not use it? And that's what college is for: specific education. By the time a kid is done high school most of them still don't have a fucking clue what they want to do. Many of them don't know in college and jump around through majors. How do you expect to know which kids in elementary school are the future car mechanics and which are the chemists? A kid is never going to be something like a physicist until they're 30 if we don't give everyone a good basis to do anything when they're young. [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;25097986]And I'm not even saying that they shouldn't pursue knowledge. I'm just saying there needs to be some meaning behind it. Instead of giving 50 problems to do for the next day, ask them how they'd launch a rocket to the moon (as an example) and give them 3 or 4 weeks to work on it. And they can access any reference material they want.[/QUOTE] All our education should be focused on applications and not abstracts? That's silly. Teach kids the abstract concepts, give them a good basis for learning how to apply what they know, and they'll be better off. Not to mention if they want to be a researcher of some sort, knowing how to google isn't gonna do shit for them.
Missouri has the best Elementary school test acronym MAP :smug: Student apathy is one of the biggest issues though, but I suspect we're going to technology that away with shiny computers :v: At least I'm almost done done with high school so this wouldn't likely apply to me in the time it would take to implement.
I consider myself very much a "victim" of public schooling, it was flat out horrible. The teachers didn't give a shit. The school work was beyond boring. Homework in general is fucking bullshit, i refused to do it. (This was back before reforms, where you could fail the class and still pass the tests and advance to the next grade). Even though i scored highest and passed classes i was berated because i failed (refused, from grade 2nd and upward) to do my homework, i also got nearly straight Fs because even though my school work was flawless, my homework gave me failing grades. This lead me to lose incentive to do any work at all. Now i am a software engineer, suck it public education i hope you lose all funding and die a miserable death.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25098256] Now i am a software engineer, suck it public education i hope you lose all funding and die a miserable death.[/QUOTE] So then a single mother, who only makes 45,000 a year has to pay 15,000 a year for her child to go to school? Where is the logic in that?
[QUOTE=Ishmael12;25098220]Missouri has the best Elementary school test acronym MAP[/QUOTE] STAR ASK CATS PASS Those are pretty cool too.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;25098277]So then a single mother, who only makes 45,000 a year has to pay 15,000 a year for her child to go to school? Where is the logic in that?[/QUOTE] It is a well known fact that private schooling is more expensive [b]because[/b] of public education, nice try though. EDIT: p.s. If you aren't financially ready to have kids then don't fucking have them.
[IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/2njjz1c.jpg[/IMG] Brb, skipping 6 pages of srs discussion to post this shoop I made in half a minute.
Not only do the teachers need to actually teach, the students must be willing to learn, and the parents must actually give a shit about their kid. Parents blame the teacher for not educating their kids, when the parents don't take an active role. Plenty of teachers do a good job, but the kids just don't care. And then there are the teachers who get paid a ton of money but don't do anything because they're part of a union and they know they can't be fired. Luckily my teachers gave a shit and actually knew what they were talking about, and taught well.
Glad I'm Canadian in times like these
What the fuck, does he seriously think more complete shit education will make it less complete shit? How about you try to make the schools, you know, not complete shit?
good thing i live in canada
Mwahaha I laugh at all you poor suckers in public school anyway. I had almost three weeks more of summer vacation in private schooling. Currently holding a 4.0 in college I might add.
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