[QUOTE=Barrowsx;23996352]The article pretty much said that the cells were subjected to salmonella and were then detectable by the immune system.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand anything captain.
The cells went against the tumor. This is not a HUGE amount of salmonella within your system which will kill you. Its a controlled amount, and is more effective than radiation therapy.
[QUOTE=Barrowsx;23996352]The article pretty much said that the cells were subjected to salmonella and were then detectable by the immune system.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...
Every single cell in your body is detectable to your immune system, as is every foreign body.
A weak case of food poisoning, or cancer.
Food poisoning
Cancer
Food poisoning
Cancer
Oh god the choice is so hard to make!!! :ohdear:
The US Govt. knows about a cure for cancer and has known since the 70s. What is it? Cannabis.
[QUOTE=rooky;24014835]Cancer is a billion dollar business. A patient who has cancer is more profitable than curing it altogether - it's more profitable in the long run.
The last thing they need is a cure. It's all about money :)[/QUOTE]
This is stupid. This would require a massive conspiracy involving all the pharmaceutical companies in the US. Not only the major ones, either. It's ridiculous to even CONSIDER that not a SINGLE ONE has said 'wait a minute we can make shittons of money if we just sell this cure.'
I mean, listen to yourself. They're not fucking evil just because they're corporations. Yes, they want profit. No, they're not involved in a huge conspiracy that kills millions of people just so they can continue their business.
I don't understand this mindset that all major corporations are these evil, gibbering fat cats sitting behind their desk saying "yeeeessss, yessssss!" as their diabolical plans play out.
You're being ridiculous.
[QUOTE=rooky;24015051]The US Govt. knows about a cure for cancer and has known since the 70s. What is it? Cannabis.[/QUOTE]
wat
[QUOTE=Nexus435;24018766]wat[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.icyou.com/topics/health-wellness/cannabis-cancer-and-autoimmune-diseases+[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n31Nuj_AvTg[/url]
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7331006790306000271[/url]
[url]www.phoenixtears.ca[/url]
[url]http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/marijuana-cures-cancer-us-government-has-known-since-1974/[/url]
This is just after 2 minutes of searching. There are many, many more sources showing cannabis' effect on cancerous cells.
I'd rather die of the shits rather than painful cancer
Time to eat some cookie dough.
Or anything that has raw eggs in it.
[QUOTE=Skippy!;24018272]This is stupid. This would require a massive conspiracy involving all the pharmaceutical companies in the US. Not only the major ones, either. It's ridiculous to even CONSIDER that not a SINGLE ONE has said 'wait a minute we can make shittons of money if we just sell this cure.'
I mean, listen to yourself. They're not fucking evil just because they're corporations. Yes, they want profit. No, they're not involved in a huge conspiracy that kills millions of people just so they can continue their business.
I don't understand this mindset that all major corporations are these evil, gibbering fat cats sitting behind their desk saying "yeeeessss, yessssss!" as their diabolical plans play out.
You're being ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
The number one priority of any business is to maximise profits and at least break even.
If cannabis was legalised worldwide, these companies would lose out big time. Sure enough yeah, you will see big pharma trying to implement it into their range of products but it is more effective than any pharma drug.
A quote from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Grinspoon#Marijuana_activism"]Doctor Lester Grinspoon[/URL]
[QUOTE]Imagine a patient who requires cancer chemotherapy. Now he can take the best of the anti-nausea drugs, which would be ondansetron. He would pay about US$35 or $40 per 8-milligram pill and would then take three or four of them for a treatment. Normally, he would take it orally, but people with that kind of nausea often can't, so he would take it intravenously. The cost of one treatment for that begins at US$600 because he will need a hospital bed, etc. Or he can smoke perhaps half of a marijuana cigarette and receive relief from the nausea.
Currently, marijuana on the streets is very expensive. One can pay from US$200 to $600 an ounce. This is what I call the prohibition tariff. When marijuana is available as a medicine, the cost would be significantly less than other medications; it would cost about US$20 to $30 an ounce. You can't tax it in the US because it is a medicine. So that would translate out to maybe about 30 cents for a marijuana cigarette.
So our chemotherapy patient could get, many people believe, better relief from the marijuana cigarette for 30 cents. This, in comparison to the ondansetron which would cost at the very least US$160 a day and, if he had to take it intravenously, more than US$600 per treatment.
Well, if you multiply that by all of the symptoms and syndromes we discuss in the book, Marihuana, The Forbidden Medicine, then you can see that the drug companies will have something to lose here.[/QUOTE]
AHAHAH
OH WOW YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT CANNABIS IS STRONGER THAN WHAT PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CAN PRODUCE?
Amazing, I mean, never mind the fact that they could isolate the THC in a heart beat if they wanted to, in fact I'm sure some do.
Seriously what you just said is like this.
"eating coca leaves is more effective than snorting pure cocaine."
[QUOTE=Furioso;23997675]the first company to find a cure for cancer would make[I] billions[/I]
why would they hide something like that when they stand to profit so much from a vaccine or a treatment for [I]cancer[/I]?[/QUOTE]
Because this very treatment is not profitable at all. Any mid-advanced laboratory can grow salmonella at minimal costs, and the application itself is simple. Also, if I had terminal cancer, I really wouldn't care if the treatment might kill me.
[QUOTE=bravehat;24020327]AHAHAH
OH WOW YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT CANNABIS IS STRONGER THAN WHAT PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CAN PRODUCE?
Amazing, I mean, never mind the fact that they could isolate the THC in a heart beat if they wanted to, in fact I'm sure some do.
Seriously what you just said is like this.
"eating coca leaves is more effective than snorting pure cocaine."[/QUOTE]
I like you :)
I just think it's worth mentioning our endocannabinoid system -
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system[/url]
[url]http://www.sfn.org/index.aspx?pagename=brainBriefings_endocannabinoids[/url]
We all create our own cannabis in a sense. These endo cannabinoids regulate more or less everything in our bodies.
marijuana conspiracy theories are funny
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;24020649]marijuana conspiracy theories are funny[/QUOTE]
I think it's leaning more towards fact than conspiracy in the last few years to be honest.
this is just like futurama
You people sound like 9/11 conspiracy theorist. If a cure for cancer is found, you can bet your ass it will be on the market. Nobody, not even the biggest of corporations would kill million for the sake of profit. They are people morons, not machines.
And even IF they were robots, the scientists working on the cure would leak the cure anyway.
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;24024013]You people sound like 9/11 conspiracy theorist. If a cure for cancer is found, you can bet your ass it will be on the market. [B]Nobody, not even the biggest of corporations would kill million for the sake of profit[/B]. They are people morons, not machines.
And even IF they were robots, the scientists working on the cure would leak the cure anyway.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://cdn.trak.in/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/marlboro-red-lights.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=The Jman Wik;24024730][IMG]http://cdn.trak.in/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/marlboro-red-lights.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Huge
Fucking
Difference
Smoking is a choice.
[QUOTE=LedZeppelin;24024931]Huge
Fucking
Difference
Smoking is a choice.[/QUOTE]
The point I was making is that he gives corporations more credit than they deserve. There are corporations that would put profit above human life, a lot of them in fact.
[QUOTE=The Jman Wik;24025389]The point I was making is that he gives corporations more credit than they deserve. There are corporations that would put profit above human life, a lot of them in fact.[/QUOTE]
Your point is still moot.
It's like the difference between giving a suicidal person pain pills and shooting someone in the head cold-blooded.
[QUOTE=Skippy!;24025566]Your point is still moot.
It's like the difference between giving a suicidal person pain pills and shooting someone in the head cold-blooded.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying what the tobacco industry does is comparable to withholding a cure for cancer. I'm not one of those people who claims that the tobacco industry is responsible for millions of deaths etc. I realize it's a personal choice to smoke, and a stupid one at that.
I'm saying that corporations are more than willing to be deceptive and misleading at the expense of human life, all for the sake of profit. Something the tobacco industry has a history of doing.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;24020485]Because this very treatment is not profitable at all. Any mid-advanced laboratory can grow salmonella at minimal costs, and the application itself is simple. Also, if I had terminal cancer, I really wouldn't care if the treatment might kill me.[/QUOTE]
Not profitable? If a pharmaceutical company is able to get a cancer treatment that costs much less to make and sell then they can wipe out competition, increase their share value by multitudes as well as gain incredible prestige.
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[QUOTE=The Jman Wik;24025991]
I'm saying that corporations are more than willing to be deceptive and misleading at the expense of human life, all for the sake of profit. Something the tobacco industry has a history of doing.[/QUOTE]
However, unlike cigarette companies, if pharmaceutical companies try to do the same and get caught then that company might as well no longer exist due to the trust that they lose. Cigarette companies don't have a lot of trust to begin with.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;24004158]My grandpa has lung cancer... Wonder if this will work for that IF they ever make it to human trials. :C[/QUOTE]
Ugh, lung cancer killed my grandpa. Sucks to hear that :saddowns:
Kill it with Salmonella?
Salmonella would trigger the immune system to see the infected area, so should any virus or bacteria do the same?
[QUOTE=Sonydude;24029798]Kill it with Salmonella?
Salmonella would trigger the immune system to see the infected area, so should any virus or bacteria do the same?[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought.
[QUOTE=rooky;24020522]I like you :)
I just think it's worth mentioning our endocannabinoid system -
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system[/URL]
[URL]http://www.sfn.org/index.aspx?pagename=brainBriefings_endocannabinoids[/URL]
We all create our own cannabis in a sense. These endo cannabinoids regulate more or less everything in our bodies.[/QUOTE]
I know that, you're still bat shit retardd if you think grass is stronger than pure THC.
Really just leave this thread, it's brutally obvious you circle wank over the seemingly mystical properties of grass.
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[QUOTE=Sonydude;24029798]Kill it with Salmonella?
Salmonella would trigger the immune system to see the infected area, so should any virus or bacteria do the same?[/QUOTE]
Nah, the virus would infect most cells of the body, I think the whole idea would be that the salmonella virus/bacteria triggers certain changes in the cancer cells or they have a certain affinity for the cancer cells and favour them over standard cells as they reproduce like crazy.
So makes sense that the salmonella concentrates in the tumour and the body goes nuclear and rips it apart with antibodies and T cells.
"And todays international news: Thousands of Americans with cancer, have died after injecting themselves with salmonella!"
[QUOTE=bravehat;24032124]I know that, you're still bat shit retardd if you think grass is stronger than pure THC.
Really just leave this thread, it's brutally obvious you circle wank over the seemingly mystical properties of grass.
[/QUOTE]
What? I know THC is only one of the cannabinoids present in cannabis. There's also CBD, which is proven to be aggressive against breast cancer cells. There are many more cannabinoids, but I don't see what you're trying to say.
Take cannabis, make it into oil - you get a concentrated form of cannabinoids, enough to kill tumours.
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Or you could do this.
Isolate the compounds proven to be effective against the cancer cell replication and growth.
Industrially isolate and purify those compounds combine them in a pill, hey presto super powered anti cancer pill.
Or you know, stick with salmonella, reduce the costs by not isolating these compounds (an expensive process on the initial runs) and look at that, the body is able to fight off the cancer on its own.
Tadah.
In the last year alone there's been about 20 of these "Look! Now THIS kills cancer too!" reports.
Does any of this shit even work?! Christ... With all the supposed magical cancer treatments you keep hearing about, you figure SOMEONE would have done something with them. Instead we just keep reading about more and more "X kills cancer cells" and "Y reduces tumor growth".
Ok, cool. Can we see some practical results now? You know... Actual 'field testing'?
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