[QUOTE=Lazor;35642546]really because the founders definitely created [url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/29099806/Act-for-the-Relief-of-Sick-DisabledSeamen-July-1798]the first government mandated healthcare system in the country
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keep living in a fantasy world tho where the founding fathers agreed on everything and were libertarians(lol NOPE) and were infallible!
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
lol he doesn't hate either of those things. they would just become worse under his policies[/QUOTE]
Did I ever state that the founders all agreed on everything? Because I'm pretty sure that's nowhere to be found in anything I've posted.
The fact is this: They all voted to ratify a Constitution that has a specific meaning and intention.
Meanings that are lined out in the Federalist papers and the many writings of its creators.
And I'd love to see the support you have for your second assertion :)
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642562]and lmao if you think abolishing central banks is a good idea at all. do you literally have no clue how economies work?[/QUOTE]
I know how Fiat currencies manipulated by central authorities work.
(In short, not well.)
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642652]Did I ever state that the founders all agreed on everything? Because I'm pretty sure that's nowhere to be found in anything I've posted.
The fact is this: They all voted to ratify a Constitution that has a specific meaning and intention.
Meanings that are lined out in the Federalist papers and the many writings of its creators.
And I'd love to see the support you have for your second assertion :)[/QUOTE]
hello i'm sdwise i present literally zero facts to back up my assertion that Ron Paul(who literally thinks that the supreme court shouldn't do judicial review) is lined up with the constitution
something tells me you haven't read the things you're talking about.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
he also opposes incorporation lmao
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642630]yes because there certainly weren't repeated and awful currency panics/recessions before the federal reserve. history and accurate economic analysis? naaaaahhh. i'll just go by what the Great Doctor Ron Paul says[/QUOTE]
The biggest issue with this is that the study of economics is anything [i]but[/i] accurate.
Hence why it is a reactionary field. If we really knew anything about economics, wouldnt we ba able to see recessions coming?
Oh wait, Paul did that... in 2003. Using Austrian and Classisist philosophies rather than the popular economic sciences of today.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642701]hello i'm sdwise i present literally zero facts to back up my assertion that Ron Paul(who literally thinks that the supreme court shouldn't do judicial review) is lined up with the constitution
something tells me you haven't read the things you're talking about.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
he also opposes incorporation lmao[/QUOTE]
Excellent argument :) I submit :P
ok guys lets vote for newt instead
newt 2012.
[quote]The biggest issue with this is that the study of economics is anything but accurate.
Hence why it is a reactionary field. If we really knew anything about economics, wouldnt we ba able to see recessions coming?
Oh wait, Paul did that... in 2003. Using Austrian and Classisist philosophies...[/quote]
lmao several economists predicted the current recession without resorting to Austrian(lmao this is a fucking joke. Austrian economics are a fucking joke tantamount to religion) economics
Lets vote for none of them instead.
-snip-
the gold standard is bad. if you support the gold standard you are bad at economics. i bet it's no coincidence that Ron Paul owns significant gold stocks though! no conflict of interest there at all!
also gold does not fluctuate wildly in price. ever. it is completely stable and not at all an intrinsically worthless and volatile commodity.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35642223]You didn't even watch the video did you? Even the super liberal Young Turks admit it.
Granted I'm not a Ron Paul supporter but you can't deny Republicans hate this guy,[/QUOTE]
Can you deny it's justified?
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642765]the gold standard is bad. if you support the gold standard you are bad at economics. i bet it's no coincidence that Ron Paul owns significant gold stocks though! no conflict of interest there at all!
also gold does not fluctuate wildly in price. ever. it is completely stable and not at all an intrinsically worthless and volatile commodity.[/QUOTE]
Naturally someone who believes there's worth in something (gold in this case) is going to buy into it because he sees it as wealth.
I bet it's no coincidence that bankers invest in money markets because they think money is worth something.
Also, gold standard rarely, if ever, sees inflation. Which we have increasingly had since Nixon, who kicked us off of it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35642806]Naturally someone who believes there's worth in something (gold in this case) is going to buy into it because he sees it as wealth.
I bet it's no coincidence that bankers invest in money markets because they think money is worth something.
Also, gold standard rarely, if ever, sees inflation. Which we have increasingly had since Nixon, who kicked us off of it.[/QUOTE]
inflation isn't a bad thing. gold is volatile and causes deflation. literally the only people that benefit from a gold standard are people with gold.
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642737]lmao several economists predicted the current recession without resorting to Austrian(lmao this is a fucking joke. Austrian economics are a fucking joke tantamount to religion) economics[/QUOTE]
Ahh. I see the basis of your confusion. You're Keynesian, or perhaps a monetarist.
Well, here's the reason that economics as a field of study today is largely shit:
It is reactionary (which shows how little we really know).
People are unpredictable.
Fiat currencies always fail.
It's had to be revised time and time again to become the heap off presumptuous crap it is today.
And, best of all, no one can fight it. It's unprovable and, thus, inbeatable in arguments such as these. One can never truly support his own economic arguments because economics deals with a set of undeterminable and completely unreplicatable set of variables called people. And when a Keynesian is wrong, all he has to say is "Wepl, let's just rewrite the book." Add a new multiplier, a new assumption, a new set of special circumstances and, thus, retain your credibility.
It's a fucking joke.
like seriously if you think any and all inflation is a bad thing you are just flat fucking wrong
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642852]inflation isn't a bad thing. gold is volatile and causes deflation. literally the only people that benefit from a gold standard are people with gold.[/QUOTE]
And when your currency is a gold note, everyone has gold.
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642859]Ahh. I see the basis of your confusion. You're Keynesian, or perhaps a monetarist.
Well, here's the reason that economics as a field of study today is largely shit:
It is reactionary (which shows how little we really know).
People are unpredictable.
Fiat currencies always fail.
It's had to be revised time and time again to become the heap off presumptuous crap it is today.
And, best of all, no one can fight it. It's unprovable and, thus, inbeatable in arguments such as these. One can never truly support his own economic arguments because economics deals with a set of undeterminable and completely unreplicatable set of variables called people. And when a Keynesian is wrong, all he has to say is "Wepl, let's just rewrite the book." Add a new multiplier, a new assumption, a new set of special circumstances and, thus, retain your credibility.
It's a fucking joke.[/QUOTE]
here's why the gold standard is shit:
it only benefits the powerful and it was terrible when we had it.
here's why austrian economics shit:
it's not based in any sort of reality
here's why ron paul is shit:
he's a fucking moron who would devastate the world economy and stability in general if he got his way
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642864]like seriously if you think any and all inflation is a bad thing you are just flat fucking wrong[/QUOTE]
*cough* England, Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe*cough*
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642888]*cough* England, Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe*cough*[/QUOTE]
did you even read my fucking post or are you fucking illiterate?
like did you read my post and think i was saying all inflation is a good thing?
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642887]here's why the gold standard is shit:
it only benefits the powerful and it was terrible when we had it.
here's why austrian economics shit:
it's not based in any sort of reality
here's why ron paul is shit:
he's a fucking moron who would devastate the world economy and stability in general if he got his way[/QUOTE]
You were in debate in college, weren't you? Pro shit here.
Quick retorts:
Gold standard benefits the entire economy, Austrian economics is based in philosophy, Ron Paul was predicting economic downturns while you were still sucking on your mamma's tits.
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642888]*cough* England, Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe*cough*[/QUOTE]
It's true that a large amount of inflation is devastating for an economy, but inflation at a slow rate is actually a sign of a healthy economy.
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642922]did you even read my fucking post or are you fucking illiterate?
like did you read my post and think i was saying all inflation is a good thing?[/QUOTE]
Just saying, unbacked currency is a slippery slope. So is inflation.
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[QUOTE=Fhenexx;35642929]It's true that a large amount of inflation is devastating for an economy, but inflation at a slow rate is actually a sign of a healthy economy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I love it when shit gets expensive and my money gets devalued.
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642925]You were in debate in college, weren't you? Pro shit here.
Quick retorts:
Gold standard benefits the entire economy, Austrian economics is based in philosophy, Ron Paul was predicting economic downturns while you were still sucking on your mamma's tits.[/QUOTE]
austrian economics isn't based in any sort of rigor that should be called "philosophy"
prices are very volatile under a gold standard. and debtors are hurt by the deflation it causes while the powerful just grow more powerful
who gives a shit if Ron Paul predicted an economic downturn? a shit load of people predict economic downturns. he isn't fucking special for it.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642937]Just saying, unbacked currency is a slippery slope. So is inflation.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
Yeah, I love it when shit gets expensive and my money gets devalued.[/QUOTE]
i love it when my economy can't grow because my money is backed by a useless metal outside of electronics
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35642806]Naturally someone who believes there's worth in something (gold in this case) is going to buy into it because he sees it as wealth.
I bet it's no coincidence that bankers invest in money markets because they think money is worth something.
Also, gold standard rarely, if ever, sees inflation. Which we have increasingly had since Nixon, who kicked us off of it.[/QUOTE]
The problem with gold is that it [i]does[/i] fluctuate in price. What people need to realize is that any system of currency is inherently flawed because the very idea of currency is a flawed concept. It's just the best we have. Hence why a backed currency is more stable than a Fiat one. It represents an actual commodity and, therefore, is the closest thing to the barter system.
[QUOTE=Lazor;35642976]austrian economics isn't based in any sort of rigor that should be called "philosophy"
prices are very volatile under a gold standard. and debtors are hurt by the deflation it causes while the powerful just grow more powerful
who gives a shit if Ron Paul predicted an economic downturn? a shit load of people predict economic downturns. he isn't fucking special for it.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
i love it when my economy can't grow because my money is backed by a useless metal outside of electronics[/QUOTE]
You do realize that currency is a stupid idea anyway, right? See: before the editline.
Also, how is classical economics [i]not[/i] a philosophy?
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642925]You were in debate in college, weren't you? Pro shit here.
Quick retorts:
Gold standard benefits the entire economy, Austrian economics is based in philosophy, Ron Paul was predicting economic downturns while you were still sucking on your mamma's tits.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't happen to have worked at Ocean Marketing, would you?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;35640574]Obama does too. There isn't a political candidate out there that doesn't have people like that.[/QUOTE]
The difference is, Ron Paul's entire fan-base seems to be made up of those people.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;35640869]Yay a game where you can get all the points, get all the achievements, and you still lose.
But seriously, Ron Paul is the best/sanest candidate amongst the Republicans, he better be on the damn ballot.[/QUOTE]
Actually, he's quite insane himself. Romney's less insane, but he's pandering to the conservatives so he can actually try and win the election. Ron Paul sticks to his (water) guns.
[QUOTE=rilez;35641217]"This game needs to exist" No it doesn't[/QUOTE]
I'd rather see Dick Cheney's hunting simulator
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;35643063]The difference is, Ron Paul's entire fan-base seems to be made up of those people.
Actually, he's quite insane himself. Romney's less insane, but he's pandering to the conservatives so he can actually try and win the election. Ron Paul sticks to his (water) guns.[/QUOTE]
Ron Paul is just as underhanded and shady as any other candidate
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642925]You were in debate in college, weren't you? Pro shit here.
Quick retorts:
Gold standard benefits the entire economy, Austrian economics is based in philosophy, Ron Paul was predicting economic downturns while you were still sucking on your mamma's tits.[/QUOTE]
Gold Standard would destroy our fucking economy, what are you on about? The vast majority of all economists [i]in the world[/i] who've talked about Paul's 'gold-standard' say he's a fucking idiot and should be ashamed of himself for even conceiving of such a thing.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35643049]You wouldn't happen to have worked at Ocean Marketing, would you?[/QUOTE]
Lol no. No I did not :P
[QUOTE=Lazor;35643082]Ron Paul is just as underhanded and shady as any other candidate[/QUOTE]
No, not at all. If there's one thing you can't say about Ron Paul, it's that he's dishonest. The bastard speaks what's on his mind and nothing can change that.
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