[QUOTE=DOG-GY;35644450]
you're hilarious comparing obama to romney i mean sure he's flawed just like anyone but compared to every republican candidate he's a sparkling diamond unscathed in a sea of shit.[/QUOTE]
For all intents and purposes Obama is a clone of Romney. Both are warmongers who want to put our troops around the world. They are both people who want to continue the war on drugs. Both have a delusional view of the healthcare system and how to fix it. Both are corporatist, imperialist, pigs.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644421]Still better than the brain rot watching Obama or Romney causes.[/QUOTE]
No not really.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644490]For all intents and purposes Obama is a clone of Romney. Both are warmongers who want to put our troops around the world. They are both people who want to continue the war on drugs. Both have a delusional view of the healthcare system and how to fix it. Both are corporatist, imperialist, pigs.[/QUOTE]
Ron Paul is corporatist too lol
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And Ron Paul doesn't have a delusional view on healthcare? I'm sorry, the whole 'let people die because Ayn Rand said so' doesn't strike me as a good plan.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35644511]
Ron Paul is corporatist too lol[/QUOTE]
No he isn't. He's just about the closest thing to an anti-corporatist in the American political system. Even if he believes in pure capitalism, that is still better than corporatism.
ron paul asks the right questions but he has horribly wrong answers that are either insane or dumb
And even if he was a corporatist, it's still better than Obama and Romney who seem to have a sociopathic desire to kill our troops by sending them into wars.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644524]No he isn't. He's just about the closest thing to an anti-corporatist in the American political system. Even if he believes in pure capitalism, that is still better than corporatism.[/QUOTE]
Pure-Capitalism
is
you know
corporatism.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644538]And even if he was a corporatist, it's still better than Obama and Romney who seem to have a sociopathic desire to kill our troops by sending them into wars.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, what war has Obama started?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35644547]Pure-Capitalism
is
you know
corporatism.[/quote]
No it's not. I ask you to take a high school level economics class before you start talking economics.
[quote]I'm sorry, what war has Obama started?[/QUOTE]
Libya. Also, one of his first acts as president was a troop surge in Afghanistan even though we shouldn't have even been there. Every soldier that dies in Afghanistan is blood on Obama's hands.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644490]For all intents and purposes Obama is a clone of Romney. Both are warmongers who want to put our troops around the world. They are both people who want to continue the war on drugs. Both have a delusional view of the healthcare system and how to fix it. Both are corporatist, imperialist, pigs.[/QUOTE]
...
I've always thought of you as an intelligent and reasonable poster.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644490]corporatist, imperialist, pigs.[/QUOTE]
Really? And warmongering? Romney maybe (not that anything he says while campaigning holds any weight) but Obama? Warmongering? Where? Libya? Aiding in a NATO effort to help a people asking for help gaining their freedom from a despot? Or maybe Iran? To whom he's been sending letters asking for diplomacy and peace? Iran, who has stated they respect Obama's pusing of peace and sanctions compared to other options? Seriously, where has he been "warmongering"? Imperialist? Corporatist? By calling the other politicians "pigs" you know how you look? like just another delusional person shouting slogans who doesn't know what they're talking about. And that's not you, I've argued with you before and I've seen you argue. You're an intelligent person who's done their homework on a variety of subjects (more than I've done on some), and this is so beneath you.
[QUOTE=Spooter;35644571]...
I've always thought of you as an intelligent and reasonable poster.
Really? And warmongering? Romney maybe (not that anything he says while campaigning holds any weight) but Obama? Warmongering? Where? Libya? Aiding in a NATO effort to help a people asking for help gaining their freedom from a despot? Or maybe Iran? To whom he's been sending letters asking for diplomacy and peace? Iran, who has stated they respect Obama's pusing of peace and sanctions compared to other options? Seriously, where has he been "warmongering"? Imperialist? Corporatist? By calling the other politicians "pigs" you know how you look? like just another delusional person shouting slogans who doesn't know what they're talking about. And that's not you, I've argued with you before and I've seen you argue. You're an intelligent person who's done their homework on a variety of subjects (more than I've done on some), and this is so beneath you.[/QUOTE]
Libya is a matter of morality. If you believe it's moral to send our military to destroy foreign governments then we are going to be in total disagreement.
Also, the fact that the US policy opposes Iran is inherently imperialistic.
Not to mention the healthcare bill is a piece of corporation pandering garbage as far as "the mandate" goes. People say that it's Republican's faults, but Obama ultimately signed it. Not to mention that the whole bill might be struck down because of that mandate, ruining any other progress caused by the entire law.
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That's warmongering, imperialist, and corporatist.
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Also, thanks for the kind words.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35640571]Yeah, as far as I'm aware. I suspect the GOP delegates though probably aren't all going to suddenly decide to go with Ron Paul over Mitt Romney.[/QUOTE]
He has a majority of the unbound delegates, the news just flat out doesn't speak of it.
It's really sad that the Cliché about unfair coverage is true, usually it's only RT (Russia Today) that provides accurate delegate data
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644524]No he isn't. He's just about the closest thing to an anti-corporatist in the American political system. Even if he believes in pure capitalism, that is still better than corporatism.[/QUOTE]
A pure capitalist is just a naive Corporato... crat?
[QUOTE=asdfghjkjhgfd;35644697]He has a majority of the unbound delegates, the news just flat out doesn't speak of it.
It's really sad that the Cliché about unfair coverage is true, usually it's only RT (Russia Today) that provides accurate delegate data[/QUOTE]
Any source for this? The notion that only RT would have accurate delegate counts for this sort of thing is absolutely preposterous.
[QUOTE=sdwise;35642496]
All of that without even touching his philosophical hatred of the Corporatocracy and the Military Industrial Complex.[/QUOTE]
i hope you realize that almost every candidate bullshits through their teeth about every single thing just to get into office
sorry but that's how presidency works.
[QUOTE=OpethRockr55;35639389]Extreme sitting in a chair, alone, simulator.[/QUOTE]
No, we've already got that. It's called Facepunch.
[QUOTE=Megafan;35644913]Any source for this? The notion that only RT would have accurate delegate counts for this sort of thing is absolutely preposterous.[/QUOTE]
Turn on cnn, they say he has like 30 delegates, if they even speak about him at all.
The actual count will be around 100-200 when the county/state conventions close, and he just raised another million dollars in a money bomb this weekend.
telling someone to turn on the tv is not answering a request for a source it's just being stupid
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644565]No it's not. I ask you to take a high school level economics class before you start talking economics.[/quote]
When you stop pretending Corporations will adhere to what pure capitalism calls for, you can tell me to learn more economics.
[quote]Libya.[/quote]
No soldiers were sent to Libya. God, how the fuck do you insult me when you say something this fucking dumb? Obama didn't even START that war, the UN did. It wasn't even a fucking war either.
[quote]Also, one of his first acts as president was a troop surge in Afghanistan even though we shouldn't have even been there. Every soldier that dies in Afghanistan is blood on Obama's hands.[/QUOTE]
he's continuing it, not starting it.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644619]Libya is a matter of morality. If you believe it's moral to send our military to destroy foreign governments then we are going to be in total disagreement.[/quote]
It wasn't to destroy a government but to support rebels who had enough of dealing with a dictator. It's called having some fucking humanity.
[quote]Also, the fact that the US policy opposes Iran is inherently imperialistic.[/quote]
That's not what imperialistic means. Being an asshole isn't imperialism, it's being an asshole. My god, you're like the most stereotypical college libertarian.
Do you have a big Ron Paul poster on your wall that you pray to every night?
[quote]Not to mention the healthcare bill is a piece of corporation pandering garbage as far as "the mandate" goes. People say that it's Republican's faults, but Obama ultimately signed it.[/quote]
After it was gutted by the Republicans in lieu of it existing SIMPLY BECAUSE Americans are too afraid of socialised healhcare.
[quote]That's warmongering, imperialist, and corporatist.[/quote]
Warmongering, a little. Imperialist, not in the slightest. Corporatist, only as a result of capitalists.
You see, your failure of a 'system', If I can call it that (I should call it the capitalist slaughterhouse that works like a dead persons reflex), is the cause of corporatism and the people who support your failed system are the ones who prop them up. You cannot argue against what you support as being the cause.
[quote]Also, thanks for the kind words.[/QUOTE]
He puts more stock in you than I would. You argue the smallest, inconsequential points simply for the sake of arguing and you typically suck at doing it. You're not intelligent and you're DEFINITELY not fucking reasonable, you're a joke.
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[QUOTE=asdfghjkjhgfd;35644697]He has a majority of the unbound delegates, the news just flat out doesn't speak of it.
It's really sad that the Cliché about unfair coverage is true, usually it's only RT (Russia Today) that provides accurate delegate data
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Io0BE.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
One, I need a source for that. Two, the news is covering him plenty. What the fuck do you want them to do? Constantly update people when he has dinner or coughs?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35640552]And yeah, you never hear about him really because he doesn't have a large following, and is actually pretty much a non-event during elections. Though if you ask his followers, its a media conspiracy to intentionally keep him down (I wish I were joking.)[/QUOTE]
Its possible the elections are actually being rigged considering the massive following he has, theres video evidence of this state senator justifying rigging the elections to a bunch of organizers in some hick town down south. Its just strange when you consider the amount of attention he is getting and the crowd that follows him to primaries. Not that he would win, just that there should be an investigation into at the very least the guy who was caught on video. The fact that there isn't is unnerving, or that it hasnt been covered anywhere but russia today.
Anyway, ron paul is the only one who doesnt take bribes from the companies that own the media, you're a fool and an insane person if you think there isnt incentive for them to ignore him. This may surprise your babied mind but conspiracies do happen.
And you're a lunatic if you actually think there is some conspiracy to keep him down and to rig elections against him. Paulie doesn't have as massive a following as you'd like to think, its a pretty small minority. They just don't know how to shut the hell up and accept that Ron Paul isn't Christ-Reborn. And seriously, Russia Today isn't really a reputable source, this gets brought up all the time, but its true.
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[QUOTE=Mattk50;35646164]This may surprise your babied mind but conspiracies do happen.[/QUOTE]Going to call us sheeple next?
[QUOTE=Mattk50;35646164]Its possible the elections are actually being rigged considering the massive following he has, theres video evidence of this state senator justifying rigging the elections to a bunch of organizers in some hick town down south. Its just strange when you consider the amount of attention he is getting and the crowd that follows him to primaries. Not that he would win, just that there should be an investigation into at the very least the guy who was caught on video. The fact that there isn't is unnerving, or that it hasnt been covered anywhere but russia today.
Anyway, ron paul is the only one who doesnt take bribes from the companies that own the media, you're a fool and an insane person if you think there isnt incentive for them to ignore him. This may surprise your babied mind but conspiracies do happen.[/QUOTE]
Most of his followers are pretty much college sheep who violently defend him against even the slightest word of reason.
FYI, a minority of college students is not a majority vote.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644619]Libya is a matter of morality. If you believe it's moral to send our military to destroy foreign governments then we are going to be in total disagreement.
Also, the fact that the US policy opposes Iran is inherently imperialistic.
Not to mention the healthcare bill is a piece of corporation pandering garbage as far as "the mandate" goes. People say that it's Republican's faults, but Obama ultimately signed it. Not to mention that the whole bill might be struck down because of that mandate, ruining any other progress caused by the entire law.
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That's warmongering, imperialist, and corporatist.
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Also, thanks for the kind words.[/QUOTE]
The US aided in a Libyan rebellion after constantly being asked by the UN. In compliance with their policy, the US offered SMALL amounts of military action for the rebels.
He is pulling us out of Afghanistan soon, which is better than Bushes never and Paul's "LULZ GONNA PULL EM OUT SECOND I STEP INTO OFFICE"
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35649037]And you're a lunatic if you actually think there is some conspiracy to keep him down and to rig elections against him. Paulie doesn't have as massive a following as you'd like to think, its a pretty small minority. They just don't know how to shut the hell up and accept that Ron Paul isn't Christ-Reborn. And seriously, Russia Today isn't really a reputable source, this gets brought up all the time, but its true.
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Going to call us sheeple next?[/QUOTE]
In world where every moron yells conspiracy theorist at the thought of a proper investigation, you'd think someone would get on some actual conspiracies wouldn't you? Though please, pretend i think aliens built the pyramids to protect your little mind and your little world.
Russia today is far more reputable than fox, CNN and the like. Similar to Al-Jazera they aren't free of bias and yet they are still far better than the crap we get here. Or are you one of those people who think the actions law enforcement took at OWS protests were positive?
Seriously now, what kind of warped mind had that reaction to "hey, there's this state senator who was caught on camera justifying the rigging of elections and there should be an investigation".
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35644396]You two should meet up and discuss libertarian policy. Free your markets and take the hand of the free market to stimulate the economy. Until the market bursts.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring your aggressive undertone, I would actually like to meet Emperor Scorpious sometime.
Its fine to hate Paul but quit dickriding Obama. This game looks hilarious.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644565]No it's not. I ask you to take a high school level economics class before you start talking economics.
Libya.[/QUOTE]
Ron Paul supporters in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;35650794]In world where every moron yells conspiracy theorist at the thought of a proper investigation, you'd think someone would get on some actual conspiracies wouldn't you? Though please, pretend i think aliens built the pyramids to protect your little mind and your little world.
Russia today is far more reputable than fox, CNN and the like. Similar to Al-Jazera they aren't free of bias and yet they are still far better than the crap we get here. Or are you one of those people who think the actions law enforcement took at OWS protests were positive?
Seriously now, what kind of warped mind had that reaction to "hey, there's this state senator who was caught on camera justifying the rigging of elections and there should be an investigation".[/QUOTE]First of all, you keep bring up this video, but I haven't seen it yet, so post it.
Second, RT is not a more reputable source. At best they are as good as Fox. Al-Jazeera however is actually a good source.
And let me just say that you have no fucking clue who you're talking to about the Occupy movement. Hell, if you want to know more about that, ask Asteroid, or Spessmehren, or Ridge. They can tell you all about the arguments we've had over the Occupy movement.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644619]Libya is a matter of morality. If you believe it's moral to send our military to destroy foreign governments then we are going to be in total disagreement. [/QUOTE]
When that foreign government is killing innocents by the thousands and abusing the rights of their people, I think it's perfectly moral.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644619]
Also, the fact that the US policy opposes Iran is inherently imperialistic.[/QUOTE]
No. Trying to inhibit the ambitions (whether your consider them legitimate or not) of a state we don't like isn't "imperialist". That literally isn't what the word means.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644619]
Not to mention the healthcare bill is a piece of corporation pandering garbage as far as "the mandate" goes. People say that it's Republican's faults, but Obama ultimately signed it. Not to mention that the whole bill might be struck down because of that mandate, ruining any other progress caused by the entire law.[/QUOTE]
Uh, so because he compromised with the Republicans he supports their views? Obama failed to utilize his party's majorities in congress and shouldn't have had to compromise and shouldn't have sought it in hindsight, but at the time he was trying to be bipartisan. That hardly makes him corporatist.
Something else as well. Scorpious, you rated my post pointing out Paul's dishonesty regarding the newsletters dumb. Why? I'd just like to know if you actually have an argument or if it was just a knee-jerk reaction.
[QUOTE=Spooter;35651941]When that foreign government is killing innocents by the thousands and abusing the rights of their people, I think it's perfectly moral.[/quote]
I don't. That's something we won't agree with no matter what, probably. Sending aid to Libya is no different than invading Iraq. It isn't our place to be supporting our idea of human rights and freedom. By the way, the rebels idea of freedom is much different than ours anyways.
[quote]No. Trying to inhibit the ambitions (whether your consider them legitimate or not) of a state we don't like isn't "imperialist". That literally isn't what the word means.[/quote]
Imperialism is the use of influence and power to control, coerce, or persuade sovereign governments. Imperialism is the act of getting involved in international affairs with the purpose of enforcing your own agenda through force.
Iran's nuclear facilities are none of our concern. They are not something that need to be negotiated. They are not something either the USA or Israel need to threaten force over.
[quote]Uh, so because he compromised with the Republicans he supports their views? Obama failed to utilize his party's majorities in congress and shouldn't have had to compromise and shouldn't have sought it in hindsight, but at the time he was trying to be bipartisan. That hardly makes him corporatist.[/quote]
The bailout. Obama's cabinet having a ton of ex Monsanto execs. Is that enough for you? Or do you want more?
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35650832]Ignoring your aggressive undertone, I would actually like to meet Emperor Scorpious sometime.[/QUOTE]
You want to [I]meat[/I] him?
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35652683]I don't. That's something we won't agree with no matter what, probably. Sending aid to Libya is no different than invading Iraq. It isn't our place to be supporting our idea of human rights and freedom. By the way, the rebels idea of freedom is much different than ours anyways.[/quote]
I agree, liking pepsi is like being a holocaust denier. There is no difference!
[quote]Imperialism is the use of influence and power to control, coerce, or persuade sovereign governments. Imperialism is the act of getting involved in international affairs with the purpose of enforcing your own agenda through force.[/quote]
"the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."
[quote]Iran's nuclear facilities are none of our concern.[/quote]
Yeah, and what does that have to do with imperialism?
[quote]They are not something that need to be negotiated. They are not something either the USA or Israel need to threaten force over. [/quote]
Yeah, and?
[quote]The bailout. Obama's cabinet having a ton of ex Monsanto execs. Is that enough for you? Or do you want more?[/QUOTE]
The bailout was one of many tactics in the stimulus package. Saying he's this monopoly playing corporatist soiling the name of your godly capitalist state is, uh, kinda fucking retarded.
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[QUOTE=Mattk50;35646164]This may surprise your babied mind but conspiracies do happen.[/QUOTE]
Oh shut the fuck up.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35644524]No he isn't. He's just about the closest thing to an anti-corporatist in the American political system. Even if he believes in pure capitalism, that is still better than corporatism.[/QUOTE]
lmao no i'm sorry but if he got his way it'd just be the same shit but worse with different corporations
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35652683]I don't. That's something we won't agree with no matter what, probably. Sending aid to Libya is no different than invading Iraq. It isn't our place to be supporting our idea of human rights and freedom. By the way, the rebels idea of freedom is much different than ours anyways.
[/QUOTE]
Errr...There's something called universal declaration of human rights,which Saudi Arabian countries in no way follow.
It is therefore within international rights to interfere.
Ron Paul's economic plans are awful because they are highly in favor of greedy corporate fat cats and privatization.
And his ideas of social freedoms are limited.
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