Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51136582]So if you had to choose between being waterboarded and being waterboarded while someone kicks you in the balls, you'd be equally satisfied with either possibility? You'd have to flip a coin to decide which you'd rather do?[/QUOTE] What is this, the fucking trolley problem? If the Fourth Reich scenario ever came about, and the country actually elected the next Hitler, I'm going to actively politically and probably militarily resist. I'm not going to choose between unethical shit and barely less unethical shit and endorse one of them because it's minorly less bad.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51136592]What is this, the fucking trolley problem? If the Fourth Reich scenario ever came about, and the country actually elected the next Hitler, I'm going to actively politically and probably militarily resist. I'm not going to choose between unethical shit and barely less unethical shit and endorse one of them because it's minorly less bad.[/QUOTE] I mean, it sounds to me like in your hypothetical scenario, you believe both choices are practically equally bad. But otherwise it is exactly the trolley problem. In the event that you have two choices, you choose the one with the least bad outcome. Endorsement has nothing to do with it. You have a tiny say in the direction the country will take. You can either influence it to go in the least bad direction, or let it go in the worst one. Of course, this all assumes you live in a swing state. If you live in a state like California or Oklahoma it doesn't really matter who you vote for.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51136527]Either way, really. If you don't vote, all you're really saying is, "I'm fine with either candidate." It becomes a soft endorsement of whoever ends up winning for the simple fact that you didn't try to prevent them from taking office.[/QUOTE] I refuse to listen to people complain about our government if they didn't vote. If they don't care enough to vote for their views, I dont care enough to listen to them bitch about a problem they refused to fix. I don't care who you vote for as long as you vote.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51136612]Of course, this all assumes you live in a swing state. If you live in a state like California or Oklahoma it doesn't really matter who you vote for.[/QUOTE] this shit drives me crazy too. [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;51136623]I refuse to listen to people complain about our government if they didn't vote.[/QUOTE] who i voted for lost in the primaries. that was my vote. and then i still have congress and the house to vote on, of course. but i'm not voting for anyone in the general presidential election. but fuck me, right? because i'm forced to either write them in (metaphorically flushing my vote down the toilet) or take part in a system that i think is broken and doesn't benefit me or most people in the U.S., my opinion doesn't matter to you. ok cool cool cool a lot of people feel the same way as me and i'd hate for them to be told "yeah i don't care what you think if you don't vote." that's not democracy, friend.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51136576]Not really. That's only the case if at least one of them meets a minimum acceptable threshold. If the candidates are a guy who wants to bring about the Fourth Reich and another guy who wants all of the exact same things but also pot should be legal, I'm not voting for pot legalization guy just because he's marginally less abysmal.[/QUOTE] The thing is, the election isn't about meeting a minimum requirements list. One of these two choices [b]will[/b] be running the country. While you're free to abstain, the choice at this point isn't "which of these candidates is good enough," it's "which of these candidates is [b]better[/b]."

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51136626] who i voted for lost in the primaries. that was my vote. and then i still have congress and the house to vote on, of course. but i'm not voting for anyone in the general presidential election. but fuck me, right? because i'm forced to either write them in (metaphorically flushing my vote down the toilet) or take part in a system that i think is broken and doesn't benefit me or most people in the U.S., my opinion doesn't matter to you. ok cool cool cool a lot of people feel the same way as me and i'd hate for them to be told "yeah i don't care what you think if you don't vote." that's not democracy, friend.[/QUOTE] Your mindset is wrong. You think that not voting is better than voting for your views. That's not democratic at all. Even if the candidate you vote for isn't one of the two parties, at least you had the balls to vote your mind.

Way to shoot your fencers in the foot Hillary. :v:

#BasementDwellers is currently the number 1 trending topic on twitter lol

[QUOTE=Swiket;51136716]#BasementDwellers is currently the number 1 trending topic on twitter lol[/QUOTE] * in USA

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51136528]Right, exactly. People on either side will tell you you're helping the other guy. No, I'm not helping the other guy, I'm just not helping yours as much as you'd like. [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] I don't agree with that sentiment at all. What if I don't want anyone who is currently running to be president? How can you express that via voting? I don't think you should have to vote for the "least bad" option to be taken seriously. I can understand suggesting that someone write-in Mickey Mouse to make an active statement, but I don't think you should have to do that to make it known that you don't like anyone. I know taking George Carlin's word on politics as gospel is pretty played, but I have to agree with him on this: Of course, I think you should do this as an informed voter and because you think it's the best option, not just because you're lazy or haven't thought very deeply about the options. Also, I'm not actually saying I'm not going to vote. At the moment I'm leaning toward Hillary, but voting for nobody is currently in second place. Or possibly writing in Vermin Supreme.[/QUOTE] Hey, I'm not saying it's [I]good[/I] that we're in this situation. I agree completely that having to vote [I]against[/I] the candidate who frightens you most rather than [I]for[/I] a candidate you actually support is proof that our democratic system is pretty deeply flawed. That is the way it currently is, however. You're free not to vote, I'm not telling that [I]you have to[/I], but in not exercising whatever small capacity you have to influence the future of the country by casting that vote (even if it's not for either leading candidate), you are effectively stating that you don't care what the results are -- you're fine with whatever happens. That said, I have no [B]major[/B] reservations about Hillary. I disagree with her position on several key policy points, and I generally find her a cold and disingenuous person (a "politician" through and through), but I find most of the scandals and conspiracies surrounding her to massively overblown. [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheJoey;51136549]prevent who from taking office? i hate literally every candidate. let's say i wrote in "bernie sanders", would you say the same thing? literally nothing i do, no matter how i vote, helps this country. i am either voting for a slow poison or a very fast poison. [B]in a way i am "fine" with any candidate at this point[/B] because i full well know that i do not have a choice. this is what i've been given, then fine, that's that then isn't it? if you are going to give me literal shit to eat because i am starving, i would rather starve than eat shit. that is not an endorsement for shit, and that is not saying i'm fine with eating shit.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's literally all I'm saying. Like, I'm not exactly chuffed about our lineup this year either, but if I chose not to vote then I am effectively endorsing the winner. However insignificant my one vote may seem, I'll still use it to its best effect. If I just couldn't, under any circumstances, bring myself to vote for either leading candidate, then I would vote third party -- not because I thought they had a shot at winning, but just because I could not in good conscious stand by and allow what was about to transpire to happen without having done whatever small thing I could to prevent it. Yeah, it's ideological -- I know. That's just my take on the situation. If you neglect to vote, you are voting for the victor.

Maybe the people who don't want to vote could atleast pay $5 for soomeone on craigslist to vote for them, thus "filling" in their vote that otherwise wouldn't have existed. Then they will never have to hear people try to convince them to vote for two retards for months online.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;51135528]If I were a US citizen I would obstain voting. This is unconscionable conduct; sure, it happens almost everywhere, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse to normalize it.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't for this reason (in part because someone being (mildly) insulting doesn't always have that much to do with their policies), but both of them have easily enough issues that I [I]really[/I] wouldn't want to vote for either of them. I'd vote for another party instead of abstaining though, assuming there's anyone who's significantly less terrible. Even if it's just symbolically in the end, I'd probably regret not making my voice heard at all in a directly tangible way otherwise.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51136806]Maybe the people who don't want to vote could atleast pay $5 for soomeone on craigslist to vote for them, thus "filling" in their vote that otherwise wouldn't have existed. Then they will never have to hear people try to convince them to vote for two retards for months online.[/QUOTE] Even if I understood why they'd want to do that, paying for someone's vote is a major crime.

[QUOTE=Swiket;51136716]#BasementDwellers is currently the number 1 trending topic on twitter lol[/QUOTE] I'm so mad, why is this a thing she gave a perfectly sympathetic description of bernie's voting base and assholes are trying to twist it by inserting a word she [I]didn't even fucking say[/I] to completely change the meaning [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] I'm entirely unsurprised but still mad

[QUOTE=Turnips5;51136853]I'm so mad, why is this a thing she gave a perfectly sympathetic description of bernie's voting base and assholes are trying to twist it by inserting a word she [I]didn't even fucking say[/I] to completely change the meaning [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] I'm entirely unsurprised but still mad[/QUOTE] FWIW it looks like most of the people tweeting about this are ones with "deplorable" in their username and a MAGA hat photoshopped on them in their profile pic

[QUOTE=Swiket;51136904]FWIW it looks like more of the people tweeting about this are ones with "deplorable" in their username and a MAGA hat photoshopped on them in their profile pic[/QUOTE] yeah, seems to be preaching to the choir

[QUOTE=Swiket;51136904]FWIW it looks like most of the people tweeting about this are ones with "deplorable" in their username and a MAGA hat photoshopped on them in their profile pic[/QUOTE] By 'them', you mean their favourite anime character

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51136923]By 'them', you mean their favourite anime character[/QUOTE] I'm convinced that the alt-right is essentially the "reddit-atheism" kind of thought dressed up for politics.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;51136853]I'm so mad, why is this a thing she gave a perfectly sympathetic description of bernie's voting base and assholes are trying to twist it by inserting a word she [I]didn't even fucking say[/I] to completely change the meaning [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] I'm entirely unsurprised but still mad[/QUOTE] Either people who didn't read past the headline or people trying to make Hillary look bad

Man I'm hugely against a Clinton presidency but that title + the actual content and context = serious sensationalization.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51136980]Either people who didn't read past the headline or people trying to make Hillary look bad[/QUOTE] Dunno if that's possible. Hillary looks bad no matter how much paint and shoe shine people put on her. Trump too, but, eh, Trump.

Holy sensational headlines batman! She's not wrong, the economy may better in better shape than it was in during the recession but has the housing market recovered? Has wages gone up to match the increased cost of living? People can't even afford their own healthcare if they wanted it. The youth of the information age have felt abandoned and disenfranchised by our current system. Then Sanders comes along and promises the world and then some so of course it's not surprising more people flock to him, especially the youth vote.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51135430]She's not entirely wrong, I'd say. :v: [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] See also: Chicken tendies.[/QUOTE] the tendies shit is a trump camp joke

How is calling someone a basement dweller the same as saying they're just at a tough point in their life and not derogatory? Why not just say they are people who are struggling? Her choice of words makes very clear she meant it to insult. I find it unbelievable that people our defending her while she insults them.

[QUOTE=davethestoner;51137479]How is calling someone a basement dweller the same as saying they're just at a tough point in their life and not derogatory? Why not just say they are people who are struggling? Her choice of words makes very clear she meant it to insult. I find it unbelievable that people our defending her while she insults them.[/QUOTE] Considering the swathe of the population Trump insults on a daily basis, that seems highly hypocritical of you

[QUOTE=davethestoner;51137479]How is calling someone a basement dweller the same as saying they're just at a tough point in their life and not derogatory? Why not just say they are people who are struggling? Her choice of words makes very clear she meant it to insult. I find it unbelievable that people our defending her while she insults them.[/QUOTE] Hillary's opponents manifest themselves prominently on the net as 'bernie bros' and 'alt right trolls', which she identifies as young men who have too much time and live in the unused section of their parents' house. She doesn't just describe them with the words struggle or poverty because this would imply whites aren't privileged or can be anything below middle class, so instead she makes 'children of the great recession' and all of her progressive detractors sound like middle class white college graduates who work in an unskilled field unrelated to their major with little opportunity for advancement. It's an important distinction, since she can set up to guilt trip bernie supporters into voting for her, else it's white privilege to be progressive this election.

[QUOTE=davethestoner;51137479]How is calling someone a basement dweller the same as saying they're just at a tough point in their life and not derogatory? Why not just say they are people who are struggling? Her choice of words makes very clear she meant it to insult. I find it unbelievable that people our defending her while she insults them.[/QUOTE] "My opponent's supporters are a group of desperate and frustrated people who have endured great economic turmoil and live in pitiable conditions" vs. "My opponent's supporters are a group of lazy bums who live in pitiable conditions" She preceded the statement with an explanation of why people are in the position they're in. Why would she even bother doing that if she was trying to mock people?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51137582]"My opponent's supporters are a group of desperate and frustrated people who have endured great economic turmoil and live in pitiable conditions" vs. "My opponent's supporters are a group of lazy bums who live in pitiable conditions" She preceded the statement with an explanation of why people are in the position they're in. Why would she even bother doing that if she was trying to mock people?[/QUOTE] Again, basement dweller is clearly an insult and you're just glossing over it.

[QUOTE=davethestoner;51137683]Again, basement dweller is clearly an insult and you're just glossing over it.[/QUOTE] It's a good thing she didn't say "basement dweller" then

[QUOTE=davethestoner;51137683]Again, basement dweller is clearly an insult and you're just glossing over it.[/QUOTE] It's not an insult in context - she clearly means that they're living at home. It's poorly phrased to be sure but she wasn't trying to insult them, she was trying to sympathise with them.