Israeli terrorists torch Palestinian home while sleeping family was inside - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42864175]so is every soldier in every army in a war a terrorist?[/QUOTE] Only the side you're against. The side you're supporting are freedom fighters. Vice versa for the other side. And now you've been educated. TL:DR It depends on each person's point of view.

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;42864272]So your argument is that every soldier is a terrorist because some soldiers that may or may not have followed orders, performed acts of terrorism? [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] How about you try again.[/QUOTE] "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." this is literally every soldier's job during war.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42864310]"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." this is literally every soldier's job during war.[/QUOTE] [citation needed] You're pulling this out of your ass. When was the last time a soldier(of a functioning first world country) got commended for an act of terror(see: Killing non-combatants on purpose, not killing non-uniformed fighters)?

[quote] in an apparent revenge attack following the killing of an Israeli soldier[/quote] And none should be surprised, the cycle continues. That killing stirred the fucking beehive, the whole country is suddenly up in arms about it.

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;42864370][citation needed] You're pulling this out of your ass. When was the last time a soldier(of a functioning first world country) got commended for an act of terror(see: Killing non-combatants on purpose, not killing non-uniformed fighters)?[/QUOTE] Ariel Sharon was given a pat on the back by David Ben-Gurion for his job at massacring Palestinian villagers. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre[/url]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42864310]"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." this is literally every soldier's job during war.[/QUOTE] I swear you're getting crazier as months go on time for bed gramps

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;42864370][citation needed] You're pulling this out of your ass. When was the last time a soldier(of a functioning first world country) got commended for an act of terror(see: Killing non-combatants on purpose, not killing non-uniformed fighters)?[/QUOTE] i never said killing non-combatants. "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." that is every soldier's job by definition. you use violence to coerce an enemy army or population into capitulation. read sun tzu, read clausewitz. this is the point of fucking war. this is the reason why the word "terrorism" means nothing. war is terror by its very nature. [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] how the fuck do you win a war? you break the enemy's will to fight and their ability to conduct operations against you. you use violence to make them too scared and hopeless to fight you.

and while facepunch argues about whether or not it is politically correct to connect the word Jewish with the word terrorist to refer to terrorists who are Jewish, Israeli settlers continue to harass, assault, evict and otherwise terrorise and cleanse the occupied territories of Palestinians.

[QUOTE=Lamar;42864432]Ariel Sharon was given a pat on the back by David Ben-Gurion for his job at massacring Palestinian villagers. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre[/url][/QUOTE] Amazing. And with the culture they got against anything foreigners(especially arab), I wouldn't be surprised if there were FEW, if ANY who refused to take part in this.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42863219]Titles such as "Jewish terrorists" is pretty much saying "Gosh darn I just plain don't like those yids". These aren't going to improve things as views on the conflict are already polarized.[/QUOTE] What? Would you apply this logic to Islamic terrorists or anti-abortion terrorists in the US regularly labeled Christian terrorists?

[QUOTE=demoguy08;42864288]Um yawmwen what are you doing[/QUOTE] This is what he does, he's so unbelievably... Whatever he is that it's p ridiculous

[QUOTE=Monkah;42854539] Hamas is one of the few groups that pretty much ensures that the conflicts in the Middle East will never end by continually provoking Israel's wrath. [B]Realistically, the backlash for this attack alone is going to be huge.[/B][/QUOTE] [URL=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1324537&p=42854539&viewfull=1#post42854539]Context[/URL] Called it. Now Hamas is going to retaliate because of this, thus beginning the cycle once more.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42864523]What? Would you apply this logic to Islamic terrorists or anti-abortion terrorists in the US regularly labeled Christian terrorists?[/QUOTE] No. They would just be referred to as "Muslims" like "Muslims attack store among riots" that we see in every European-based thread.

and btw i would like to state that professional armed forces carrying out systematic attacks against civilian populations was not only acceptable, but expected during times of war until VERY recently. vietnam is arguably one of the last times american forces have systematically destroyed civilian population centers in an effort to undermine enemy morale and coordination(that i can really recall off the top of my head). we stopped, not because of any semblance of humanity or "chivalry" in our perception of war, but because it stopped being effective for any long term strategy involving occupation. our destruction of villages in vietnam empowered insurgency and partisan activity against us. it undermined public opinion of the war and helped create mass resistance against the war. until vietnam it was very common for american bombers to break dams, carpet bomb cities, and torch villages in order to disrupt and destroy enemy fighting spirit. our romantic outlook of hiroshima and nagasaki underline this tradition in wartime strategy. it is seen as acceptable to brutally destroy an entire city with one bomb because it would be such a show of force that it would completely break the enemy army and population. this is why war is terror. war is terror because the overall war goal of al-qaeda, the american military, and fsa are all the fucking same in the end. you destroy the enemy in whatever way becomes effective. the difference between these groups becomes distinguished once you realize this universal truth and begin to analyze the intent, means, and abilities of the group. that's why using the word "terrorism" is useless. it doesn't lend itself to any intellectual or moral analysis of a group's motives or methods. "terrorists" are off limits to fairly analyze, they are meant to be universally hated.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42864822]this is why war is terror. war is terror because the overall war goal of al-qaeda, the american military, and fsa are all the fucking same in the end. you destroy the enemy in whatever way becomes effective. the difference between these groups becomes distinguished once you realize this universal truth and begin to analyze the intent, means, and abilities of the group. that's why using the word "terrorism" is useless. it doesn't lend itself to any intellectual or moral analysis of a group's motives or methods. "terrorists" are off limits to fairly analyze, they are meant to be universally hated.[/QUOTE] I guarantee you if the US was the "same" as Al-Qaeda and destroyed the enemy "in whatever way becomes effective" things would play out way, way differently. that is just simply not true at all. if they wanted to destroy the enemy in the most effective way possible i don't think they'd have all those ROEs. what you're saying is outdated

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42865269]I guarantee you if the US was the "same" as Al-Qaeda and destroyed the enemy "in whatever way becomes effective" things would play out way, way differently. that is just simply not true at all. if they wanted to destroy the enemy in the most effective way possible i don't think they'd have all those ROEs. what you're saying is outdated[/QUOTE] considering we are known for killing civilians with our drone strikes against militants i don't think our roe's are created out of any sense of humanity. it isn't effective for us to go torching any old village like armies used to do because it strengthens insurgencies and guerrilla fighting. if we didn't have certain roe's then it would empower the enemy by creating even more widespread popular support for their actions.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42865352]considering we are known for killing civilians with our drone strikes against militants i don't think our roe's are created out of any sense of humanity. it isn't effective for us to go torching any old village like armies used to do because it strengthens insurgencies and guerrilla fighting. if we didn't have certain roe's then it would empower the enemy by creating even more widespread popular support for their actions.[/QUOTE] You say that like we kill innocents with drones on purpose, it just happens as a byproduct of war, especially since the major players in Al-Qaeda or the Taliban love to surround themselves by civilians to use as meat shields, because they're terrible.

[QUOTE=be;42866402]You say that like we kill innocents with drones on purpose, it just happens as a byproduct of war, especially since the major players in Al-Qaeda or the Taliban love to surround themselves by civilians to use as meat shields, because they're terrible.[/QUOTE] we fuck up cafes and funerals with our predators. it isn't like we are exceptionally careful with our assassination program.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42863092]The source says "Settlers". I do grant you that you can criticize Israel and all, but was changing the title from "Settlers" to "Jews" really necessary?[/QUOTE] that's really disgusting lamar, once again you display yourself to be absolutely disgusting

My god, how does anyone rationalize this sort of behavior. What role does the state have in the people rationalizing such behavior? [QUOTE=Sobotnik;42863219]Titles such as "Jewish terrorists" is pretty much saying "Gosh darn I just plain don't like those yids". These aren't going to improve things as views on the conflict are already polarized.[/QUOTE] sotp post

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42863219]Titles such as "Jewish terrorists" is pretty much saying "Gosh darn I just plain don't like those yids". These aren't going to improve things as views on the conflict are already polarized.[/QUOTE] But it is okay to call people out as Arabic or Muslim terrorist? Are you fucking kidding me, double standard to the max.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42864310]"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." this is literally every soldier's job during war.[/QUOTE] Yeah man all those dudes who drive trucks and the medics only exist to kill children. [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] Nevermind the fact that war isn't exclusively politically motivated.

[QUOTE=MR-X;42868031]But it is okay to call people out as Arabic or Muslim terrorist? Are you fucking kidding me, double standard to the max.[/QUOTE] This is why as I explained before to Sobotnik, my use of "Jewish terrorists". People flip-out at the term "Jewish Terrorist", but "Arab Terrorist" and "Muslim Terrorist" are apparently normal fare in journalism.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;42868117]Yeah man all those dudes who drive trucks and the medics only exist to kill children. [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] Nevermind the fact that war isn't exclusively politically motivated.[/QUOTE] good job not reading any of my posts and deciding to just build up a strawman. im sure ur proud. [editline]15th November 2013[/editline] also im curious what you mean by war isn't "exclusively politically motivated"? do you mean to say wars have been fought with no political motivation? if so, i'd like you to name one because i can't think of any at all.

Are you guys really arguing over the correct term to call these terrorists? They're Jewish, settlers, israeli, terrorists. It doesn't matter at all which word you pick, the first 3 all suggest the same thing, and the 4th is also true since they are definitely terrorists, just not in an organized group like hamas. I guess the most correct word out of the 3 is settlers, since if they are settlers then it's pretty much guaranteed that they are Jewish Israelis too. Anyway, these guys are morons, they take the law to their own hands and extract revenge on a family just because its a Palestinian family, with no connections what so ever to the soldier's murder.