[QUOTE=Zeke129;40328434]In a few years when Justin Trudeau is the official opposition to a Conservative minority, you mean[/QUOTE]
Let's hope Harper fucks up, then.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40328418]Tell us more.[/QUOTE]
It usually depends on what mood I'm in, nothing illegal or anything like that just a lot of stuff that normal people find disgusting.
I swear I could masturbate to anything and God help me I will if this bill passes.
I wouldn't be surprised if this thing passes even with a veto. Country's already been bought and sold, they're just being less subtle about it now.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;40328555]I wouldn't be surprised if this thing passes even with a veto. Country's already been bought and sold, they're just being less subtle about it now.[/QUOTE]
I am fairly sure that would create quite the shitstorm
Bit they are doping for ourh freduum!
JimProfitCommunist came back to life to comment on this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXs3-3H-AW0[/media]
but yeah CISPA can go die in a hole.
clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll117.xml
The vote breakdown is quite interesting, and there's more Republican opposition than I expected, though it is still an embarrassingly low number at about 12.9% of their bloc (29 Nays out of 225 voting members). The Democrats, unsurprisingly, are split down the middle on this, with 51.5% of their bloc voting no (98 Nays out of 190 voting members).
Still disappointed in our representative for voting yes, though.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40327923]Move to Canada, we have better beer.
[editline]18th April 2013[/editline]
But our Netflix sucks.[/QUOTE]
Molson Canadian and Budweiser taste the same to me
[editline]18th April 2013[/editline]
also I am sorry what is this Bill even about.?
[QUOTE=archangel125;40327993]The overwhelming opposition to CISPA exists because it will create loopholes for surveillance on US citizens, and create an easy way for government to subpoena ISPs to divulge personal information on their clients without that client's knowledge.[/QUOTE]
How is any of that at all different from existing standards for phone and mail communication that have been around for decades? Phone companies are already required to divulge information on their users if requested by the government, or provide a means for wiretapping phone calls. This isn't recent either, it's been on the books for a long time and there hasn't been nearly this kind of vocal opposition.
It just seems so inconsistent. It's like people don't really care about all the surveillance power the government already has, but as soon as anyone mentions the Internet everyone suddenly becomes 300% more Libertarian and we can't have any regulation or monitoring ever.
[QUOTE=tarkata14;40328095]First of all, how are you supposed to ever know you're being watched/monitored/data-collected? [/QUOTE]
How do you know if the FBI is listening in on your phone calls or retrieving records of your conversation from your phone company? Does that concern you enough to go out of your way to try to repeal the relevant legislation?
[QUOTE=tarkata14;40328095]Second, sue the government? Are you daft? If they wanted your information for one reason or another you can bet your ass that they either won't let you sue them or won't let you win without the very best lawyer money can buy.[/QUOTE]
Again, have you read anything about the bill beyond the media sound bites? It [I]specifically has provisions[/I] for filing a suit with the government if they misuse the data. Plenty of people have won suits against the government on much more nebulous grounds.
[QUOTE=tarkata14;40328095]By saying that everyone is just blindly hating this bill is the same thing the guy who wrote it is saying, but I've read it and I am not fucking ok with what it implies. Don't generalize on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Read what I typed. I didn't make any generalizations at all in my post, I said that a lot of people seem to be hating CISPA without knowing what it says, not everyone.
Why are they so bored? Don't they have other shit to worry about? Are their just huge groups of people out their that dedicate their lives to anti piracy and putting away 10 year olds for downloading an album from lil wayne? Like seriously people im about to blow the fuck up just thinking about this. These faggots already have enough money what else do they fucking want? A jacuzzi holder for their jacuzzi? Fuck them, fuck the world, kill em all. That's what I have to say.
Hah, House of "Representatives." What a funny name.
I would say they desire to have their approval rating drop to 0%, but you have to remember they probably vote for themselves. They sure aren't wanting to be elected for another term, ever.
Don't we have bigger issues to deal with than voting on an internet bill? Why don't they put this effort somewhere where it would actually do some good?
It's tragic that I didn't hear anything about this until now. The new's doesn't cover Important stuff sometimes. I wonder if it's on purpose. :tinfoil:
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[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;40329844]Hah, House of "Representatives." What a funny name.[/QUOTE]
They represent people. Just not you. :eng101:
[QUOTE=Carbon123;40330850]Don't we have bigger issues to deal with than voting on an internet bill? Why don't they put this effort somewhere where it would actually do some good?[/QUOTE]
Because we live in an era where money is higher on the priority list than important societal matters. Like how research for reducing or eliminating male pattern baldness has orders of magnitude more funding than important things like HIV/AIDS research because money.
Could it be in theory, applied worldwide?
Can an American website be forced by the FBI to give informations regarding a foreigner?
[QUOTE=catbarf;40329503]How is any of that at all different from existing standards for phone and mail communication that have been around for decades? Phone companies are already required to divulge information on their users if requested by the government, or provide a means for wiretapping phone calls. This isn't recent either, it's been on the books for a long time and there hasn't been nearly this kind of vocal opposition.
It just seems so inconsistent. It's like people don't really care about all the surveillance power the government already has, but as soon as anyone mentions the Internet everyone suddenly becomes 300% more Libertarian and we can't have any regulation or monitoring ever.[/QUOTE]
This is something that has been perplexing me as of late. What makes the Internet inherently a free-speech zone where everyone is anonymous, and should never be tied to a person? How is the Internet any different from phone, mail, or personal communication?
[QUOTE=catbarf;40329503]How is any of that at all different from existing standards for phone and mail communication that have been around for decades? Phone companies are already required to divulge information on their users if requested by the government, or provide a means for wiretapping phone calls. This isn't recent either, it's been on the books for a long time and there hasn't been nearly this kind of vocal opposition.
It just seems so inconsistent. It's like people don't really care about all the surveillance power the government already has, but as soon as anyone mentions the Internet everyone suddenly becomes 300% more Libertarian and we can't have any regulation or monitoring ever.
How do you know if the FBI is listening in on your phone calls or retrieving records of your conversation from your phone company? Does that concern you enough to go out of your way to try to repeal the relevant legislation?
Again, have you read anything about the bill beyond the media sound bites? It [I]specifically has provisions[/I] for filing a suit with the government if they misuse the data. Plenty of people have won suits against the government on much more nebulous grounds.
Read what I typed. I didn't make any generalizations at all in my post, I said that a lot of people seem to be hating CISPA without knowing what it says, not everyone.[/QUOTE]
You're comparing the phone, and the internet. Two quite dissimilar services. I'm not terribly pleased with what the PATRIOT Act has done for phone tapping, in fact, i'm mad as hell. So, i'm going to ask you, why should we let another bill go by that isn't going to help anything.
Why should we have another sort of curtailing of our freedoms?
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[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40332188]This is something that has been perplexing me as of late. What makes the Internet inherently a free-speech zone where everyone is anonymous, and should never be tied to a person? How is the Internet any different from phone, mail, or personal communication?[/QUOTE]
Well maybe you should ask that yourself as you use the landline phone to look for information in the same degree you do on the internet
or to contact the same amount of people
at the same time
I mean really man, just look at what makes them different.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40330864][B]They represent people.[/B] Just not you. :eng101:[/QUOTE]
That's funny.
It's true if by "people" you mean corporate interests in the form of lobbyists
Fuckers.
[editline]19th April 2013[/editline]
Didn't the president say that he wouldn't pass it in it's current form though?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40332271]Well maybe you should ask that yourself as you use the landline phone to look for information in the same degree you do on the internet
or to contact the same amount of people
or the same time
I mean really man, just look at what makes them different.[/QUOTE]
Okay. Then what makes the Internet different from it's real-life equivalent action. Like buying from a store. What makes the buying on the Internet suddenly anonymous as opposed to physically going to a store?
[QUOTE=Furioso;40332300]That's funny.
It's true if by "people" you mean corporate interests in the form of lobbyists[/QUOTE]
That's kind of what I'm implying. Corporations are people, lobbyists are kind of people.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40332336]Okay. Then what makes the Internet different from it's real-life equivalent action. Like buying from a store. What makes the buying on the Internet suddenly anonymous as opposed to physically going to a store?[/QUOTE]
I feel like the obviousness of this isn't quite hitting you.
I can do those things in a store. I can't do them in a store with a mask on because it's assumed I'm robbing them. Maybe I don't want people to know what I'm buying, or that I'M buying it. I have the right to hide that if I'm harming no one.
What makes doing something in a remote and sterile interface that grants the user anonymity through various, apparently not obvious means. I can use IP addresses and proxies and other methods to retain my anonymity.
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I don't get why you're asking the basic and most obvious things, comparisons of obvious media devices. Are you just looking at everything and not analysing what makes them different for yourself?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40332399]I don't get why you're asking the basic and most obvious things, comparisons of obvious media devices. Are you just looking at everything and not analysing what makes them different for yourself?[/QUOTE]
So I should just hop on the bandwagon and hate it without considering the other point of view? People hate it, but I haven't seen people elaborate on [i]why[/i] except for saying that since it's the Internet, I deserve to be anonymous. My question is: why do you deserve to be anonymous?
It's an honest question.
I don't understand why the government feels the need to keep adding bullshit to our lives. To keep giving themselves more and more power of controlling us.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40332536]So I should just hop on the bandwagon and hate it without considering the other point of view? People hate it, but I haven't seen people elaborate on [i]why[/i] except for saying that since it's the Internet, I deserve to be anonymous. My question is: why do you deserve to be anonymous?
It's an honest question.[/QUOTE]
Why do you deserve to have any privacy at all? Lets just ask that question
and seeing as you're the one feeling the need to over simplify the issue, lets see, can you answer why you deserve any privacy at all?
Idealogical reasons for hating it aren't even the best ones. This is just irresponsible financially and is not going to be effective. That's why it's hated. The whole anonymity thing is a sidebar to privacy and the aforementioned reasons.
Don't worry about CISPA: it won't pass in the Senate.
Nothing gets passed in the Senate.
[QUOTE=joshjet;40332307]
Didn't the president say that he wouldn't pass it in it's current form though?[/QUOTE]
He promised to veto it but he didn't really give a clear answer as to what in particular he would oppose the bill about. The Obama administration has been talking a big game about cybersecurity which CISPA was justified on, so he'd be on the side of the bill if push really came to shove.
Only thing really beneficial to us is that there's literally so much other problems going on in the US at the moment that once the wind goes out of the sails of this bill they'll leave it alone again until the next time they decide to necro it.
would someone who supports this bill explain what about it actually helps do anything other than infringe freedoms and waste money
I like how pretty much all the financial backers are the embodiment of Corporate America and pretty much all the opposers are Civil Rights groups. The for / against on this is black and white as fuck.
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