• CISPA passes House vote, 288-127 majority.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40333718]would someone who supports this bill explain what about it actually helps do anything other than infringe freedoms and waste money[/QUOTE] It allows federal agencies to access records of Internet communication to pursue crime, as they are able to do with all other telecommunications services. It provides direct and clear means of communication between telecom corporations and the government, allowing the corporations to report information that could be important in preventing crime. It establishes protocol for the government to share intelligence with private firms contracted for security. And it provides ordinary citizens the right to sue the US government if their private information is misused. In short, it streamlines and defines the relation between the US government and telecom corporations, giving the government a greater ability to pursue Internet-based evidence and access information sent by private citizens, but also putting limits on what the government can and can't do and providing recourse if these limits are breached. I don't agree with everything about CISPA (and in fact, quite a few of the opposition groups have been 'we don't like [x] in it' rather than a complete rejection) but there is so much misinformation and bandwagon-jumping going on that it's getting ridiculous. It's not the end of the world and it's not the destruction of the Internet. The idea of the Internet being a completely unregulated, uncontrolled, wholly nationless entity is not tenable in the long-term, and personally I'd rather see it be brought in line under CISPA than something like SOPA. I have no problem with people opposing CISPA, as long as they've actually read into it. If all a person has done is read a list of sky-is-falling soundbites on Reddit they aren't informed, plain and simple.
Ugh, my scumbag representative voted for this, even though I told him not to. Just shows how out of touch they are from the rest of the population.
Move to Europe. This stuff never passes in Europe.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;40341264]Move to Europe. This stuff never passes in Europe.[/QUOTE] Various members of my family have repeatedly stated that, if we were able to, we'd probably move to Norway.
I don't know too much about the way legislation is passed in the US but doesn't it still need to pass the college vote or something which is a two thirds majority? Doesn't the president also have the power to just get rid of it also? This bill will also have to comply with the constitution, when the bill goes under scrutinee wont it be deemed unconstitutional?
[QUOTE=catbarf;40335251]It allows federal agencies to access records of Internet communication to pursue crime, as they are able to do with all other telecommunications services. It provides direct and clear means of communication between telecom corporations and the government, allowing the corporations to report information that could be important in preventing crime. It establishes protocol for the government to share intelligence with private firms contracted for security. And it provides ordinary citizens the right to sue the US government if their private information is misused. In short, it streamlines and defines the relation between the US government and telecom corporations, giving the government a greater ability to pursue Internet-based evidence and access information sent by private citizens, but also putting limits on what the government can and can't do and providing recourse if these limits are breached. I don't agree with everything about CISPA (and in fact, quite a few of the opposition groups have been 'we don't like [x] in it' rather than a complete rejection) but there is so much misinformation and bandwagon-jumping going on that it's getting ridiculous. It's not the end of the world and it's not the destruction of the Internet. The idea of the Internet being a completely unregulated, uncontrolled, wholly nationless entity is not tenable in the long-term, and personally I'd rather see it be brought in line under CISPA than something like SOPA. I have no problem with people opposing CISPA, as long as they've actually read into it. If all a person has done is read a list of sky-is-falling soundbites on Reddit they aren't informed, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] I think that the government had done this already. It only relies on the consent of the corporation that held the information. The corporations usually permit surveillence if it were something serious such as criminal activity. I'm all for preventing criminal activity, however, it's they aren't going to use the bill solely for that. I fear that that it'll be used to steal innovations/inventions for their own personal gain.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;40342484]I don't know too much about the way legislation is passed in the US but doesn't it still need to pass the college vote or something which is a two thirds majority? Doesn't the president also have the power to just get rid of it also? This bill will also have to comply with the constitution, when the bill goes under scrutinee wont it be deemed unconstitutional?[/QUOTE] It needs to pass through the Senate, which it most likely won't pass. If it does, it goes to the President where he can sign or veto it. If he vetos it, it goes back through congress which require a two-thirds majority from both and then the bill becomes law, bypassing the president, otherwise it'll die down.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;40342290]Various members of my family have repeatedly stated that, if we were able to, we'd probably move to Norway.[/QUOTE] Norway is good. It's quite cold and snowy, but otherwise very good.
Remember when we said this woudn't pass?
[QUOTE=zurator;40345081]Remember when we said this woudn't pass?[/QUOTE] Remember when there wasn't a Boston manhunt going on at the same time?
I haven't used this one in a long time. But here we go: [video=youtube;MboBCANXF0Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MboBCANXF0Q[/video]
Only two of my state reps voted nay, lame.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40332353]That's kind of what I'm implying. Corporations are people.[/QUOTE] What. Also, I wrote my representative and said I was very disappointed that he abstained from the vote. All I can do, I guess.
Damn it, they are distracting us with Boston and passing all the CISPAs and buying all our gold! "Dey terk er jerbs!"
Fuck OFF you government assholes. Either this bullshit stops or a bunch of protesting people from 4chan are going to eventually try and burn the White House down from being so pissed off at the law. CISPA can only end badly for people if it gets through the Senate since its just pretty much invasion of privacy.
I am living in europe, haleluja.
The argument they're using for the bill pisses me off because it's actually a clever workaround. Ugh.
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