• Chloe Sagal, indie developer who's campaign to save her own life was cancelled has attempted suicide
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So was there ever any hard evidence of her ailment? If this whole ordeal is based purely off of information/claims by only Chloe then this just throws up a ton of red flags.
There's a lot of information missing because the page is down. But did she provide any documentation proving that she needed what she claimed she needed. I saw someone say that all she had to do was provide evidence that what she claimed the money was for was in fact what it was for, to silence the people who thought it was a scam. I haven't read the whole thread nor do I intend to because my word is that a lot of arguing so if anyone can fill me in I would appreciate it. I take absolutely no issue with being skeptical of a claim being made, especially if it's something that is not that hard to prove with documentation, doesn't matter whether it's a life saving treatment you need money for or something trivial, provide evidence or accept that people will doubt you. Going so far as harass someone for looking like a scammer is really unnecessary though.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;40624101]Suicide is childish[/QUOTE] yes, suicide is definitely characteristic of children. when someone says suicide, all I can think of is all the babies and preteens who - in fits of juvenile, immature whining - have taken their own lives. [editline]13th May 2013[/editline] suicide is something that little brats do. if you didn't grow out of killing yourself by age 12, you should probably... uh... kill yourself ?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;40626841]So was there ever any hard evidence of her ailment? If this whole ordeal is based purely off of information/claims by only Chloe then this just throws up a ton of red flags.[/QUOTE] She was backed up by other members of the Indie Community. Most notably (to me anyway) the Project Zomboid team.
It makes me sad that she couldn't recieve the funds from her Indiegogo campaign to save her own life while some millionaire's daughter made over $21,000 on Kickstarter for a extremely basic RPG maker game [IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-smith.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;40624101]Suicide is childish and selfish no matter how you put it. Instead of getting help, you choose to end your life earlier than planned. You force everyone that ever knew you to live with the memory of your death for the rest of their lives. And if you're religious, suicide guarantees you a spot in hell.[/QUOTE] No words to describe you other than a prick.
Interesting to see the general attitude towards the whole transgender part to be open minded. Every single time a thread on this forum pops up about transsexuals there's always cunts being cunts and transgendered people being belittled by cunts because, "Fuck you you're a tranny lol." Hopefully a lot of people who see this now are going to think differently about us.
[QUOTE=Coble;40626915]She was backed up by other members of the Indie Community. Most notably (to me anyway) the Project Zomboid team.[/QUOTE] That does nothing for credibility thou, you need actual medical records/documentation. Word of mouth just doesn't cut it anymore in today's day and age. There's something going on behind the scenes. Indiegogo wouldn't just freeze her campaign for shits n giggles. If she really has a life threatening illness then she should have no problem at all proving it to them to lift that ban.
[QUOTE=Coble;40626915]She was backed up by other members of the Indie Community. Most notably (to me anyway) the Project Zomboid team.[/QUOTE] That is not really evidence, just people attesting to her character as not being someone who would lie, unless they personally know her and know she is ill. But even then she could be lying to them too, but that is more unlikely. [editline]13th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;40626943]Interesting to see the general attitude towards the whole transgender part to be open minded. Every single time a thread on this forum pops up about transsexuals there's always cunts being cunts and transgendered people being belittled by cunts because, "Fuck you you're a tranny lol." Hopefully a lot of people who see this now are going to think differently about us.[/QUOTE] Such is life inbetween a cock and a hard place.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;40626948]That does nothing for credibility thou, you need actual medical records/documentation. Word of mouth just doesn't cut it anymore in today's day and age. There's something going on behind the scenes. Indiegogo wouldn't just freeze her campaign for shits n giggles. If she really has a life threatening illness then she should have no problem at all proving it to them to lift that ban.[/QUOTE] IIRC they knew her personally, rather than spreading the story. Though I completely agree, hence why I never donated.
Is she still alive or not? hope she's ok
This is incredibly depressing :(
First of all, read the entire goddamn topic on the [URL="http://www.theindiestone.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12430&start=120"]link[/URL] in OP's post. The last message is this: [QUOTE]Update from one of the members of our community who called the UK police when all this was happening: “Just got a call from the police to say that they passed my call on to Interpol, who passed it on to the Illinois PD who tracked her down. Although I wasn’t given specific details [B]she’s currently in hospital[/B].” Hopefully this brings some clarification to all this.[/QUOTE] So there's no believable confirmation she's dead. Second, educate yourself about suicidal people. Those who warn everyone about their suicide attempts, especially on Twitter and other very public places, are the attention-whore kind. They're not really upset on life, they just want help and use threats to make their cry known, to let others know about their pain. This usually ends up in fake "suicides", suicide attempts, and soft suicides (pills, bleeding to death in a tub etc.) It's dangerous, because they can do it eventually, but they give plenty of signs before doing it. The second type is the loner, the one who goes out by throwing himself in front of a high speed train, or from a high building. These ones are past the "cry for help" stage, and the news of their suicide takes their friends and relatives by total surprise. In most cases, it's always too late to help them, because they're good at hiding the usual signs. Of course, thinking about offing yourself is NOT a healthy thing to do and all people with such thoughts are equally deserving of our help and understanding. We should all help them, but at the same time never reward the inner attention whore residing in some of them.
[QUOTE=zugu;40627233]First of all, read the entire goddamn topic on the [URL="http://www.theindiestone.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12430&start=120"]link[/URL] in OP's post. The last message is this: So there's no believable confirmation she's dead. Second, educate yourself about suicidal people. Those who warn everyone about their suicide attempts, especially on Twitter and other very public places, are the attention-whore kind. They're not really upset on life, they just want help and use threats to make their cry known, to let others know about their pain. This usually ends up in fake "suicides", suicide attempts, and soft suicides (pills, bleeding to death in a tub etc.) It's dangerous, because they can do it eventually, but they give plenty of signs before doing it. The second type is the loner, the one who goes out by throwing himself in front of a high speed train, or from a high building. These ones are past the "cry for help" stage, and the news of their suicide takes their friends and relatives by total surprise. In most cases, it's always too late to help them, because they're good at hiding the usual signs. Of course, thinking about offing yourself is NOT a healthy thing to do and all people with such thoughts are equally deserving of our help and understanding. We should all help them, but at the same time never reward the inner attention whore residing in some of them.[/QUOTE] She's clearly not an attention whore. Being in the hospital clearly means she has acted upon her threats of suicide. If she was just an attention whore she would have just lied and come back sometime later after shit died down.
[QUOTE=gnisasas;40626337]Yeah, ok, poor girl, what's happened is terrible, but beyond that I don't care, just like any other tragedy in the news, and I'm not going to pretend that I care now about this. When tragedy happens around my life then I'll be genuinely sorry. A good portion of you are just hypocrites.[/QUOTE] hold on so what you are saying is that because there are so many people in the world, it's impossible to care about bad things happening to all of them, thus we should not give a shit about anyone unless we actually have to interact with them in person this all or nothing approach seems like a great way to go about things, i feel enlightened
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;40627273]She's clearly not an attention whore. Being in the hospital clearly means she has acted upon her threats of suicide. If she was just an attention whore she would have just lied and come back sometime later after shit died down.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying she's an attention whore, I'm saying she's the attention-whore type of suicidal person. She's still a suicidal person, nonetheless, but she's the kind who thinks emotional blackmail is a valid weapon. We should be careful as to not validate such behavior through our reactions to events such these, especially if the suicidal person survives.
[QUOTE=Spot of Tea;40622786]As much as I say I don't sympathize with [B]quitters[/B], this made me really sad[/QUOTE] Everyone who suicides is just a quitter, huh
[QUOTE=zugu;40627233]Second, educate yourself about suicidal people. Those who warn everyone about their suicide attempts, especially on Twitter and other very public places, are the attention-whore kind. They're not really upset on life, they just want help and use threats to make their cry known, to let others know about their pain. This usually ends up in fake "suicides", suicide attempts, and soft suicides (pills, bleeding to death in a tub etc.) It's dangerous, because they can do it eventually, but they give plenty of signs before doing it. The second type is the loner, the one who goes out by throwing himself in front of a high speed train, or from a high building. These ones are past the "cry for help" stage, and the news of their suicide takes their friends and relatives by total surprise. In most cases, it's always too late to help them, because they're good at hiding the usual signs. Of course, thinking about offing yourself is NOT a healthy thing to do and all people with such thoughts are equally deserving of our help and understanding. We should all help them, but at the same time never reward the inner attention whore residing in some of them.[/QUOTE] i am confused; on one hand you seem to be suggesting that if someone talks about killing themselves they are just looking for attention and aren't feeling bad, on the other hand you say that they actually are in danger also have you ever considered that maybe the people who kill themselves without talking to anyone didn't talk to anyone precisely because as soon as they do people just go "oh you're talking about being depressed and suicidal you must be an attention whore, you aren't [I]really[/I] gonna do it lol ok bye"
[QUOTE=zugu;40627338]I'm not saying she's an attention whore, I'm saying she's the attention-whore type of suicidal person. She's still a suicidal person, nonetheless.[/QUOTE] "I'm not saying she's an attention whore, but she's an attention whore." What? [editline]asljdlasd[/editline] [QUOTE=zugu;40627338]She's still a suicidal person, nonetheless, but she's the kind who thinks emotional blackmail is a valid weapon. We should be careful as to not validate such behavior through our reactions to events such these, especially if the suicidal person survives.[/QUOTE] You think someone who has been disowned by their family for being who they are, needs a life-saving operation, and gets bombarded with demeaning and discriminatory insults all while under the stress of transitioning (do you know how stressful it can be to transition? Probably not) was just saying depressing shit to emotionally blackmail people? Are you serious?
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;40627347]i am confused; on one hand you seem to be suggesting that if someone talks about killing themselves they are just looking for attention and aren't feeling bad, on the other hand you say that they actually are in danger[/QUOTE] Anyone even suggesting he or she might commit suicide is in danger and his or her threats should be taken seriously. We can't play with that, simply because if ignored, the ones threatening suicide might try to prove their detractors wrong. On the other hand, we should never validate emotional blackmail. Believe it or not, some people are so selfish they can even commit suicide just to rub it in for the ones who did not take their pleas seriously. But can you imagine having a girlfriend who uses suicide threats to get what she wants. How do you proceed?
[QUOTE=zugu;40627400]Anyone even suggestion he or she might commit suicide is in danger and his or her threats should be taken seriously. We can't play with that, simply because if ignored, the ones threatening suicide might try to prove their detractors wrong. On the other hand, we should never validate emotional blackmail. Believe it or not, some people are so selfish they can even commit suicide just to rub it in for the ones who did not take their pleas seriously. But can you imagine having a girlfriend who uses suicide threats to get what she wants. How do you proceed?[/QUOTE] NO ONE kills themselves to "rub it in." You clearly do not understand how depression works. Please stop posting.
[QUOTE=zugu;40627400]Anyone even suggestion he or she might commit suicide is in danger and his or her threats should be taken seriously. We can't play with that, simply because if ignored, the ones threatening suicide might try to prove their detractors wrong. On the other hand, we should never validate emotional blackmail. Believe it or not, some people are so selfish they can even commit suicide just to rub it in for the ones who did not take their pleas seriously. But can you imagine having a girlfriend who uses suicide threats to get what she wants. How do you proceed?[/QUOTE] 1) you get her help because she has problems that need to be addressed and 2) your example is different from this situation so stop
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;40625223]I find it funny people think this wasnt a scam. Firstly, what the fuck is metal poisoning? Lead poisoning and metal poisoning doesnt match on Google, and I sure as fuck never heard about the former. Secondly, proof of her dire need for operation? No idea how it is there, but common practice on Russian forums to present medical papers of illness and medical bill.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=PowerBall v1;40626064]lol, shut the fuck up yourself. I see were you're coming from but comments in an FP thread won't hurt a girl who's already dead [editline]13 May[/editline] yeah white knights, I'm sure your boxes will bring her back[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=PowerBall v1;40626134]Yeah because making light of grave news articles is unheard of on FP[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=gnisasas;40626337]Suddenly, this is the most important and serious matter in all the world. A person commits suicide due to financial and health issues which go by hand, and other life issues. It's grieving time, poor lady, respect pls, this is srs.[/QUOTE] 1. sorry but when you kind of just instantly assume this was a scam, thats extremely asinine. 2. Hey you guy its called being a cynical asshole 3. This post is very typical of you powerball 4. no its not the most important thing in the world you dweeb stop being a debby downer. We aren't pretending its the most important thing in the world, its just "RIP" and argue with people in this thread.
[QUOTE=Steven :D;40622785]Agreed, Indiegogo fucked up on this one bad and not only that. The people commenting on that shit is just ridiculous, how can people be such dicks?[/QUOTE] Because that's what the internet does to people, all of the time. We just don't see it until something horrible happens.
[QUOTE=zugu;40627338]I'm not saying she's an attention whore, I'm saying she's the attention-whore type of suicidal person. She's still a suicidal person, nonetheless, but she's the kind who thinks emotional blackmail is a valid weapon. We should be careful as to not validate such behavior through our reactions to events such these, especially if the suicidal person survives.[/QUOTE] You are in way over your head. All you are doing is meaninglessly speculating to her detriment, while knowing little to nothing about her. Nobody here appreciates it, so why don't you keep it to yourself? You clearly do not know what you are talking about when it comes to depression and suicide, and people like you do more harm than good in every thread where depression or suicide are the core focus. People like you seem to be a part of why she attempted/succeeded at committing suicide. People like you who speculate about others on the internet as if they aren't real, breathing, feeling people. People like you who are willing to say anything without much forethought so long as it helps them feel like they are getting their point or perspective across. I'll repeat; you are in way over your head. Quit.
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She is alive and hospitalized at the [url="http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=556930"]moment[/url]. Can a mod fix the title of this thread?
Before we start jumping on the bandwagon (whoops too late) I think that they did have a good reason to be skeptical of the fundraiser.
[QUOTE=Fangz;40627960]She is alive and hospitalized at the [url="http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=556930"]moment[/url]. Can a mod fix the title of this thread?[/QUOTE] Thank god for this but I almost feel sad if she's gonna have to live out the rest of her short days in immeasurable agony due to her condition. I can only hope that someone out there sees all this crap and helps pay for her surgery.
[QUOTE=Fangz;40627960]She is alive and hospitalized at the [url="http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=556930"]moment[/url]. Can a mod fix the title of this thread?[/QUOTE] oh thank god i hope she can get the money for her surgery after this, i dont know how, but nobody deserves to go through what she has
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