Chloe Sagal, indie developer who's campaign to save her own life was cancelled has attempted suicide
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[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629151]Right. Because people can just "arrange" $20,000 right?[/QUOTE]
That is completely irrelevant, it may be life improving but it is not essential to continue breathing.
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629139]Do you honestly feel that forcing someone to lie under threat of suicide in order to continue a scam is worth it?[/QUOTE]
Or maybe she wanted to commit suicide out of the prospect of being outed as a trans woman publicly to the entire internet, knowing how people would respond?
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629151]Right. Because people can just "arrange" $20,000 right?[/QUOTE]
In time yes they can, you hardly think that insurance companies are endless vaults do you?
[editline]13th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629168]Or maybe she wanted to commit suicide out of the prospect of being outed as a trans woman publicly to the entire internet, knowing how people would respond?[/QUOTE]
Its clear people already knew, stop trying to justify what she did by claiming she's just another victim of the Internet.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;40629170]In time yes they can, you hardly think that insurance companies are endless vaults do you?[/QUOTE]
You really don't know the history of why insurance companies don't cover these operations, do you?
Yeah, I'm gonna go sit in the back and wait for some concrete evidence to show up.
Until then, this is one big limbo contest.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629184]You really don't know the history of why insurance companies don't cover these operations, do you?[/QUOTE]
Please elaborate
[QUOTE=Solomon;40629156]I do. It might not be something a lot of people would ever understand, but I do.[/QUOTE]
Do you not realize what the scope of this is?
You have been a journalist for a fairly well known website. People have a tendency to trust you. Then you are forced into a situation where someone says outright that they will kill themselves if you do not allow and help them perpetuate this scam.
This is not a matter of you understanding something that many others do not. This is a matter of you not understanding something that many others do. It's emotional empathy.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629151]Right. Because people can just "arrange" $20,000 right?[/QUOTE]
No one has said that. But in no way the difficulties with "arranging the funds" justify scamming people. And with such a dirty way.
[QUOTE=lolo;40628260]Maybe shes a attention whore with the intent of taking harmless pills with knowledge to gain cash. Maybe shes just making up stuff to create a scene, there's no real proof that insurance denied her, no real proof her parents despise of her. I have a friend who acts like a girl on the net, if he doesn't get his way he'll use depressing and sad speech to gain the attention of someone, and i can honestly say, it may be working.
Give me boxes, I can't take this seriously one bit, she hasn't even taken it to a judge wow.[/QUOTE]
maybe she wasn't
[QUOTE=Van-man;40629191]Yeah, I'm gonna go sit in the back and wait for some concrete evidence to show up.
Until then, this is one big limbo contest.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, everything I've read is entirely conjecture. I'm not casting any judgments yet. She seemed like a legitimately disturbed person but I don't know anything about the situation to be a fact, and that's pretty damn dangerous.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;40629194]Please elaborate[/QUOTE]
Under the Reagan Administration, Janice Raymond (a known radical feminist and basically advocate for the death of trans people) was put in charge of deciding whether or not these surgeries were necessary for the people who wished to have them.
Raymond obviously said no, and thus the federal government took her word for it, and pretty much every major insurance company followed suit. We've been fighting ever since then trying to fix the damage she caused.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629168]Or maybe she wanted to commit suicide out of the prospect of being outed as a trans woman publicly to the entire internet, knowing how people would respond?[/QUOTE]
It's not the 1940s, there are tons of trans people on the internet and more people that are accepting of it.
Can anyone summarize as to what is happening?
She attempted to commit suicide but she survived?
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629204]Do you not realize what the scope of this is?
You have been a journalist for a fairly well known website. People have a tendency to trust you. Then you are forced into a situation where someone says outright that they will kill themselves if you do not allow and help them perpetuate this scam.
This is not a matter of you understanding something that many others do not. This is a matter of you not understanding something that many others do. It's emotional empathy.[/QUOTE]
The guy only had knowledge. He didn't do anything with the knowledge. He just kept quiet.
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629229]It's not the 1940s, there are tons of trans people on the internet and more people that are accepting of it.[/QUOTE]
We've talking about a woman who's family literally disowned her at the prospect of her being trans.
You saying this makes it clear you don't actually know the situations trans women face in this country.
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629229]It's not the 1940s, there are tons of trans people on the internet and more people that are accepting of it.[/QUOTE]
and still 41% of pre-op trans men and women attempt suicide.
edit.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629226]Under the Reagan Administration, Janice Raymond (a known radical feminist and basically advocate for the death of trans people) was put in charge of deciding whether or not these surgeries were necessary for the people who wished to have them.
Raymond obviously said, and thus the federal government took her word for it, and pretty much every major insurance company followed suit. We've been fighting ever since then trying to fix the damage she caused.[/QUOTE]
That once more reverts to opinion, Money isn't something an insurance company has in spades to give out for something which is not deemed necessary for bodily survival.
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629229]It's not the 1940s, there are tons of trans people on the internet and more people that are accepting of it.[/QUOTE]
I've heard the internet was such a shithole back then. The connections were so bad.
[QUOTE=Valnar;40629242]and still 41% of pre-op trans men and women attempt suicide.
edit.[/QUOTE]
Well that's depressing. ):
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629229]It's not the 1940s, there are tons of trans people on the internet and more people that are accepting of it.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DqWQbCN.png[/IMG]
Accepting of it. Definitely right.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;40629257]That once more reverts to opinion, Money isn't something an insurance company has in spades to give out for something which is not deemed necessary for bodily survival.[/QUOTE]
...Are you getting ANY of this?
Did you miss the part where these rules were defined by a woman who literally wants trans women to all die?
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;40629257]That once more reverts to opinion, Money isn't something an insurance company has in spades to give out for something which is not deemed necessary for bodily survival.[/QUOTE]
My insurance company covered my glasses, they weren't necessary to keep me alive but they greatly improved many aspects of my life.
[QUOTE=Solomon;40629236]The guy only had knowledge. He didn't do anything with the knowledge. He just kept quiet.[/QUOTE]
What kind of deranged logic is that?
He had the option of exposing a scam that was grabbing thousands of dollars but was kept silent because someone who was obviously not mentally sound said that they would commit suicide if they did expose it.
[QUOTE=gudman;40629262]I've heard the internet was such a shithole back then. The connections were so bad.[/QUOTE]
The latency were horrendous.
takes 3 weeks to get ASCII porn.
[QUOTE=Solomon;40629273]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DqWQbCN.png[/IMG]
Accepting of it. Definitely right.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, youtube comments are the most highly regarded forms of communication on the internet.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629301]You make it sound like she was planning on stealing the money and buying a yacht or something.
[/QUOTE]
It was money gathered under false pretenses. It was a scam.
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629285]He had the option of exposing a scam that was grabbing thousands of dollars[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like she was planning on stealing the money and buying a yacht or something.
[editline]13th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629298]Yeah, youtube comments are the most highly regarded forms of communication on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I forgot my experience as a trans women with issues like these are clearly irrelevant with your personal thoughts on the scene.
[QUOTE=Thlis;40629285]What kind of deranged logic is that?
He had the option of exposing a scam that was grabbing thousands of dollars but was kept silent because someone who was obviously not mentally sound said that they would commit suicide if they did expose it.[/QUOTE]
That 'thousands of dollars' *were* going to go to a lifechanging/saving operation.
[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;40629280]My insurance company covered my glasses, they weren't necessary to keep me alive but they greatly improved many aspects of my life.[/QUOTE]
How much do your glasses cost?
[QUOTE=Van-man;40629291]The latency were horrendous.
takes 3 weeks to get ASCII porn.[/QUOTE]
And how hard people had to work to make those pictures, I can't even imagine. Typing machines were so unforgiving towards a slightest mistakes.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;40629323]How much do your glasses cost?[/QUOTE]
What happened to the amount of money not being the point? I thought you were arguing that insurance companies only cover things that keep you breathing.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;40629275]...Are you getting ANY of this?
Did you miss the part where these rules were defined by a woman who literally wants trans women to all die?[/QUOTE]
I read about what she wrote and yeah she sounds like a twat, But im sure it wasn't her sole opinion would you mind handing me a source to look at?
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