• Chloe Sagal, indie developer who's campaign to save her own life was cancelled has attempted suicide
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[QUOTE=johnrocketman;40638785]Online relationship*[/QUOTE] Contrasting with your gold marriage accompanied by vigorous sexlife?
[QUOTE=johnrocketman;40638785]Online relationship* Genderqueers, by definition, are not "socially functional."[/QUOTE] actually by definition that means my gender doesnt match my sex and im fine in social interactions! just not crowds im bad with crowds -0/10 please try again
Why are you people replying to him? You should know better for fuck sake.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;40637167](I refuse to call him a she)[/QUOTE] Get a load of this badass over here.
[QUOTE=Crimor;40637564]You're a douche and a bigot, you know that right?[/QUOTE] Well he can call [I]it[/I] whatever he likes, that's what freedom is about, no? Now if someone cares about that, that is another thing
[QUOTE=IPK;40639074]Well he can call [I]it[/I] whatever he likes, that's what freedom is about, no? Now if someone cares about that, that is another thing[/QUOTE] Youre even worse by calling her it because calling trans people [I]It[/I] is like saying they are not human, or a monster.
[QUOTE=IPK;40639074]Well he can call [I]it[/I] whatever he likes, that's what freedom is about, no?[/QUOTE] And we have the freedom to say it was retarded, no?
[QUOTE=johnrocketman;40638791]He[/QUOTE] Get bant, faggot
[QUOTE=codemaster85;40639133]Youre even worse by calling her it because calling trans people [I]It[/I] is like saying they are not human, or a monster.[/QUOTE] I would like to believe that was an unwieldy attempt to seem neutral but one never knows. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp on the concept of communicating with people using not just the proper names, but also the pronouns, which they associate themselves with, as these are what actually matters. [editline]14th May 2013[/editline] Using the "biological" pronoun over the chosen one is basically objectification, because you put their bodily nature before their personality.
[QUOTE=johnrocketman;40638170]Trannies are useless... [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Thank you, Swebonny
[QUOTE=IPK;40639074]Well he can call [I]it[/I] whatever he likes, that's what freedom is about, no? Now if someone cares about that, that is another thing[/QUOTE] just because he can, doesnt mean he should, and it doesnt mean that if he does we should accept it
[QUOTE=IPK;40639074]Well he can call [I]it[/I] whatever he likes, that's what freedom is about, no? Now if someone cares about that, that is another thing[/QUOTE] Just as much as I can call you 'it' because all you slavs are inbred retards but that's not a very nice thing to say.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;40639292]Just as much as I can call you 'it' because all you slavs are inbred retards but that's not a very nice thing to say.[/QUOTE] I hope you soon gonna enjoy the seafloor, you, you, doublenetherlander
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40639312]I hope you soon gonna enjoy the seafloor, you, you, doublenetherlander[/QUOTE] czech yourself before you wreck yourself
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[QUOTE=Hellduck;40639325]czech yourself before you wreck yourself[/QUOTE] I feel bullied :c
[QUOTE=Hellduck;40639325]czech yourself before you wreck yourself[/QUOTE] Why didn't you use the "Czech yo slovakia before you wreck yo slovakia" one :v: [sp]Yes I know Czechoslovakia isn't a country anymore[/sp]
I have no sympathy for scammers and trying to commit suicide should not be a shortcut to innocence. As cynical as it might sound, the fact she'd even think of broadcasting something like this through stream tells me she more than anything wanted to make people feel guilty for their (arguably inappropriate) reaction to her own mistakes. If anything I feel sorry for the people at IndieGoGo for doing the right thing and getting so much bad pubblicity
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;40640030][I][/I]I have no sympathy for scammers and trying to commit suicide should not be a shortcut to innocence.[I][/I] As cynical as it might sound, the fact she'd even think of broadcasting something like this through stream [I][/I]tells me she more than anything wanted to make people feel guilty for their (arguably inappropriate) reaction to her own mistakes.[I][/I] If anything I feel sorry for the people at IndieGoGo for doing the right thing and getting so much bad pubblicity[/QUOTE] This is a model way of reacting to a suicide attempt except not really
[QUOTE=killerteacup;40640070]This is a model way of reacting to a suicide attempt except not really[/QUOTE] And what do you propose? That whoever attempts to commit suicide is immediately forgiven of everything and should get whatever he wants? Do you realize that the belief that after your death people will understand the mistakes they have done and will feel remorse about it is one of the main factors that drives people to suicide? She might have her problems and I respect that, and I can understand there is more to her situation than just being bullied on the internet and she needs help, but committing suicide after a scam attempt does not win her any points in my book, is all I'm saying
[QUOTE=Solomon;40639184]Get bant, faggot[/QUOTE] Calling him a faggot seems a tad harsh no?
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;40640179]Calling him a faggot seems a tad harsh no?[/QUOTE] Maybe a little, but I was really mad.
So her story was fake. So about what I said about her being short on money for her operation to save her life being bullshit...
Wow. The first few pages of this thread are like a sheep pen.
She fucked up, yeah, but she's only human. I don't condone people scamming others, but honestly in her situation there didn't seem like much, or at least she didn't think there was much more. Maybe she felt a little more entitled to things than she should, but how could she not? Especially with how her parents treated her. It sucks on all grounds, but it doesn't make her any less of a person, nor anyone else a better person for calling her out. We're all human and we all fuck up. Some worse than others.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40638222]It's truth not justification[/QUOTE] No, that is exactly justification. Or you still want to tell me blackmailing others with suicide is a victim of circumstances? Eat that bullshit yourself. If you are being sympathetic on something doesn't mean everyone around you who aren't are horrible monsters. Suck it up if you care about others not caring.
[QUOTE=Kirovich;40640427]She fucked up, yeah, but she's only human. I don't condone people scamming others, but honestly in her situation there didn't seem like much, or at least she didn't think there was much more. Maybe she felt a little more entitled to things than she should, but how could she not? Especially with how her parents treated her. It sucks on all grounds, but it doesn't make her any less of a person, nor anyone else a better person for calling her out. We're all human and we all fuck up. Some worse than others.[/QUOTE] Are some people overlooking the fact that she's emotionally blackmailing people over this? Because I can see the situation she's in to lie about the fundraiser. I don't condone it but I understand. But y'all seem to be forgetting that she's threatening suicide if people tell the truth about it, which is just really fucking low.
[QUOTE=Kirovich;40640427]She fucked up, yeah, but she's only human. I don't condone people scamming others, but honestly in her situation there didn't seem like much, or at least she didn't think there was much more. Maybe she felt a little more entitled to things than she should, but how could she not? Especially with how her parents treated her. It sucks on all grounds, but it doesn't make her any less of a person, nor anyone else a better person for calling her out. We're all human and we all fuck up. Some worse than others.[/QUOTE] Scamming and abusing the goodwill of people to the tune of $50,000 and then blackmailing to try to keep it hidden is a bit beyond 'we're all human and we all fuck up', IMO. That's the excuse I'd use if I was late to a meeting or forgot to send my mom a card for her birthday, not deliberately lying to amass money for elective surgery and then threatening suicide to anyone who could reveal it. There is emotional manipulation at every level here, from tugging at the heartstrings of potential donators with the sob story to threatening suicide to people involved and then the community at large. That's not something I can shrug off and forgive as someone making a bad call or having a rough week, there's premeditation and a serious degree of planning, coordination, and outright manipulation at work.
Seriously, this is gaming headline of the year. It's just so out of nowhere a lot of this information is.
Like I said, I don't condone scamming people out of cash and the blackmailing is also a very shitty thing to do, especially with your own life. These are things known as mistakes. Some people reflect upon them and regret their actions. Other times they don't, because they simply don't care. They are still human and still fucked up, they made a mistake. Whether or not they reflect on their actions in a way that they realize they've made a mistake is up to them, they're still people and they still fuck up. By no means am I saying that it's right she did these things. It's not. It's terribly horrible that she did it, but it isn't without it's consequences.
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