• Chloe Sagal, indie developer who's campaign to save her own life was cancelled has attempted suicide
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[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;40640164]And what do you propose? That whoever attempts to commit suicide is immediately forgiven of everything and should get whatever he wants? Do you realize that the belief that after your death people will understand the mistakes they have done and will feel remorse about it is one of the main factors that drives people to suicide? She might have her problems and I respect that, and I can understand there is more to her situation than just being bullied on the internet and she needs help, but committing suicide after a scam attempt does not win her any points in my book, is all I'm saying[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;40640496]No, that is exactly justification. Or you still want to tell me blackmailing others with suicide is a victim of circumstances? Eat that bullshit yourself. If you are being sympathetic on something doesn't mean everyone around you who aren't are horrible monsters. Suck it up if you care about others not caring.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;40640512]Are some people overlooking the fact that she's emotionally blackmailing people over this? Because I can see the situation she's in to lie about the fundraiser. I don't condone it but I understand. But y'all seem to be forgetting that she's threatening suicide if people tell the truth about it, which is just really fucking low.[/QUOTE] Obviously you don't understand what drives a person to suicide and what their mentality is at the time.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;40644424]yeah I think I'm done here, you all seem to think "chloe" is irrational because of his transgender status and blankly defend him simply because of this without considering the fact that he's a [B]institutionalized liar who tried to commit suicide[/B] on the other hand, I believe that his transgender condition is influenced to his current irrationality. this does not mean that all transgender people are irrational, nor does it mean that he cannot truly believe himself to be female. I simply do not trust his judgement right now (and you shouldn't either) and thus will be labeling him for what he is, rather than what he wants to be (which is, at the moment, dead). maybe in time, when his mind is not so clouded, he can correctly make a judgement for himself and view himself whatever gender he wishes. feel free to misinterpret my views as bigotry while I'm gone, however.[/QUOTE] My mistake, I almost missed that preposterous diatribe.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;40643972]i think i'll give respect to someone when they dont try to blackmail innocent people or steal money from unsuspecting donators[/QUOTE] From what I'm reading the whole reason Allistair contacted her was to get a story. I'm gussing that once he got the story and then realized what was going on, the only way Chloe could stop him from posting everything was to threaten suicide, after all this guy was the features editor at destructoid.com. If the story got out she was fucked, if she killed herself she was fucked... Ever thought that the journalist may have been holding the story over her head until he/she snapped? I feel that what Allistair did was not responsible journalism, he even said "People on Twitter -- even some professionals that work for Gamasutra and other sites I respect -- are saying that me telling the truth would drive Chloe Sagal to suicide", but still posted it after she tried to kill her self (If she does go for round 2, a lot of people will be looking at Allistair). She couldn't even turn to her family for help because of the transgender issue, they didn't even want her anymore. Sometimes its best to let things like this go. Even if she is still alive, after the post Allistair's made nothing will ever be the same for her. As for the Indiegogo, everyone was refunded.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;40644424]yeah I think I'm done here, you all seem to think "chloe" is irrational because of his transgender status and blankly defend him simply because of this without considering the fact that he's a [B]institutionalized liar who tried to commit suicide[/B] on the other hand, I believe that his transgender condition is influenced to his current irrationality. this does not mean that all transgender people are irrational, nor does it mean that he cannot truly believe himself to be female. I simply do not trust his judgement right now (and you shouldn't either) and thus will be labeling him for what he is, rather than what he wants to be (which is, at the moment, dead). maybe in time, when his mind is not so clouded, he can correctly make a judgement for himself and view himself whatever gender he wishes. feel free to misinterpret my views as bigotry while I'm gone, however.[/QUOTE] No, you just don't get it do you. Whether or not Chloe is in a fine mental state now has little to do with it. Chloe being in a bad mental state now is influenced by the difficulty she's had in aligning herself with her gender. This causes serious mental damage to people after a long time and not all people being equal, leads to stuff like this. Continuing to be a disrespectful little shit only worsens problems like this and makes things more severe. A lack of understanding is dangerous and people like you only cause worse problems. Why would you say you don't feel this way about trans people when you clearly, clearly have said all trans people in your statements? You're full of shit, you're a bigot, and you haven't as of yet explained how you're not a bigot, and how your views are okay. You have just said they are and you'll probably continue to do so without a drop of critical thinking. Good, leave.
[QUOTE=Megafan;40644438]My mistake, I almost missed that preposterous diatribe.[/QUOTE] Did you see this as well? [QUOTE=Pat4ever;40644424]yeah I think I'm done here, you all seem to think "chloe" is irrational because of his transgender status and blankly defend him simply because of this without considering the fact that he's a [B]institutionalized liar who tried to commit suicide[/B] on the other hand, I believe that his transgender condition is influenced to his current irrationality. this does not mean that all transgender people are irrational, nor does it mean that he cannot truly believe himself to be female.[B] I simply do not trust his judgement right now (and you shouldn't either) and thus will be labeling him for what he is, rather than what he wants to be (which is, at the moment, dead).[/B] maybe in time, when his mind is not so clouded, he can correctly make a judgement for himself and view himself whatever gender he wishes. feel free to misinterpret my views as bigotry while I'm gone, however. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting/Transphobia - Not the first time" - Megafan))[/highlight][/QUOTE] He goes from saying she is alive to saying she is dead.
[t]http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff186/baldrybaldry/268124_185050874885810_100697356654496_479415_3813061_n.jpg[/t] Pat's logic: this is a dude.
[QUOTE=Fangz;40644467]Did you see this as well? He goes from saying she is alive to saying she is dead.[/QUOTE] By the looks of it he's been banned, so I'd reckon I saw it. [editline]14th May 2013[/editline] And he's saying that "she wants to be, at the moment, dead" not "she is, at the moment, dead".
Thanks Megafan.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40643956]you call them a she out of respect for their wishes and because it fits their mental gender profile better how you are in the mind is as important as your body no, i'd say evil is the wrong way to put it and is actually basically missing the point to put it that way.[/QUOTE] Look, I can say that Chloe is male. I'm talking in a biological sense here. I will refer to her as a women in normal conversation, but if I'm trying to explain that a male is getting a sex change operation, I can say so. Chloe is a women perhaps mentally, politically, but not physically, genetically, or in general biologically.
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40645612]Look, I can say that Chloe is male. I'm talking in a biological sense here. I will refer to her as a women in normal conversation, but if I'm trying to explain that a male is getting a sex change operation, I can say so. Chloe is a women perhaps mentally, politically, but not physically, genetically, or in general biologically.[/QUOTE] This is gonna end bad for you, just a FYI.
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40645612]Look, I can say that Chloe is male. I'm talking in a biological sense here. I will refer to her as a women in normal conversation, but if I'm trying to explain that a male is getting a sex change operation, I can say so. Chloe is a women perhaps mentally, politically, but not physically, genetically, or in general biologically.[/QUOTE] how long is it going to take you to end up saying offensive shit about trans? apparently not long at all
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40645612]Look, I can say that Chloe is male. I'm talking in a biological sense here. I will refer to her as a women in normal conversation, but if I'm trying to explain that a male is getting a sex change operation, I can say so. Chloe is a women perhaps mentally, politically, but not physically, genetically, or in general biologically.[/QUOTE] fyi there's no distinction between an MTF transsexual and an infertile woman, so unless you're going to be saying that women who can't give birth are physiologically identical to men you don't have much of a point here
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40645612]Look, I can say that Chloe is male. I'm talking in a biological sense here. I will refer to her as a women in normal conversation, but if I'm trying to explain that a male is getting a sex change operation, I can say so. Chloe is a women perhaps mentally, politically, but not physically, genetically, or in general biologically.[/QUOTE] You can say that Chloe is male, but as a woman she gets the feminine pronouns, not the masculine ones. They're gendered, not sexed pronouns, and it's more polite anyways to use the pronouns the other person wants (within reason). She's still a woman before, after, and during the procedure, but not female until after it.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40644484][t]http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff186/baldrybaldry/268124_185050874885810_100697356654496_479415_3813061_n.jpg[/t] Pat's logic: this is a dude.[/QUOTE] She has a man ass. Just sayin.
lol at all you sick fucks who would be willing to date a tranny [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of permabanned user" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=clukmastr9000;40647914]lol at all you sick fucks who would be willing to date a tranny[/QUOTE] Where the fuck do you lot keep popping up from? I guess we'll find out thanks to the invite ban-chain!
[QUOTE=hexpunK;40647945]Where the fuck do you lot keep popping up from? I guess we'll find out thanks to the invite ban-chain![/QUOTE] I suggest we report and move on, no need to feed them.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;40647945]Where the fuck do you lot keep popping up from? I guess we'll find out thanks to the invite ban-chain![/QUOTE] invite chain won't stop me i am unstoppable [editline]15th May 2013[/editline] but i do legitimately hate trannies [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt" - dai))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=clukmastr9000;40647914]lol at all you sick fucks who would be willing to date a tranny[/QUOTE] In the 1950's replace 'tranny' with 'nigger' and you're about accurate for the time. And look how history looks upon them.
Also, protip for the people claiming FP to not be as progressive as we claim: Actually report shit to moderators, it takes a few reports for a post to get noticed, if you think it's desperate enough, perhaps tell a mod that visits the relevant thread/ subform regularly about it. A good potion of the people here are quite accepting of new views, you just need to help purge the shit from the forum first so people can hear them.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;40647983]Also, protip for the people claiming FP to not be as progressive as we claim: Actually report shit to moderators, it takes a few reports for a post to get noticed, if you think it's desperate enough, perhaps tell a mod that visits the relevant thread/ subform regularly about it. A good potion of the people here are quite accepting of new views, you just need to help purge the shit from the forum first so people can hear them.[/QUOTE] i am here to kill you [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming/quit doing this already" - postal))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of retard killer" - postal))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=RETARDKILLER;40648144]i am here to kill you[/QUOTE] no it's still not funny
[QUOTE=hexpunK;40647983]Also, protip for the people claiming FP to not be as progressive as we claim: Actually report shit to moderators, it takes a few reports for a post to get noticed, if you think it's desperate enough, perhaps tell a mod that visits the relevant thread/ subform regularly about it. A good potion of the people here are quite accepting of new views, you just need to help purge the shit from the forum first so people can hear them.[/QUOTE] not like the mods care. a few frequently make fun of transpeople in their little circles anyway.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;40648161]no it's still not funny[/QUOTE] i'm autistic sorry
[QUOTE=Skelmech;40648354]not like the mods care. a few frequently make fun of transpeople in their little circles anyway.[/QUOTE] TBH most trans members on FP are a pain to deal with, there's only a tiny few that are good to talk with.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;40648354]not like the mods care. a few frequently make fun of transpeople in their little circles anyway.[/QUOTE] Even so, don't generalize away the mods' interest like that. The very first post on this page had a ban for transphobia: [QUOTE=Pat4ever;40644424] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting/Transphobia - Not the first time" - Megafan))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JakeXen;40644453]From what I'm reading the whole reason Allistair contacted her was to get a story. I'm gussing that once he got the story and then realized what was going on, the only way Chloe could stop him from posting everything was to threaten suicide, after all this guy was the features editor at destructoid.com. If the story got out she was fucked, if she killed herself she was fucked... Ever thought that the journalist may have been holding the story over her head until he/she snapped? I feel that what Allistair did was not responsible journalism, he even said "People on Twitter -- even some professionals that work for Gamasutra and other sites I respect -- are saying that me telling the truth would drive Chloe Sagal to suicide", but still posted it after she tried to kill her self (If she does go for round 2, a lot of people will be looking at Allistair). She couldn't even turn to her family for help because of the transgender issue, they didn't even want her anymore. Sometimes its best to let things like this go. Even if she is still alive, after the post Allistair's made nothing will ever be the same for her. As for the Indiegogo, everyone was refunded.[/QUOTE] On the contrary I'd say it's the perfect time to go public with this information, there's already been one suicide attempt and keeping quiet won't help stop any future attempts. Drawing attention to Chloe's mental/physical state should help her get treatment.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;40648354]not like the mods care. a few frequently make fun of transpeople in their little circles anyway.[/QUOTE] In my defense I would just like to say that I do not make fun of transpeople in either little circles or large circles.
[QUOTE=Anthracite;40648516]TBH most trans members on FP are a pain to deal with, there's only a tiny few that are good to talk with.[/QUOTE] well not surprising since they get shit thrown in their face because of wanting who they want to be i would probably act a bit pissy too if I was being insulted on a daily basis anyway
[QUOTE=RETARDKILLER;40648144]i am here to kill you [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming/quit doing this already" - postal))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of retard killer" - postal))[/highlight][/QUOTE] I've seen a lot of bad gimmicks but wow are you actually this desperate [QUOTE=RETARDKILLER;40648465]i'm autistic sorry[/QUOTE] confirmed desperate
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