• Chloe Sagal, indie developer who's campaign to save her own life was cancelled has attempted suicide
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[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40649897]There's a giant fuckload of distinction, especially genetically. Ok, sorry. I will keep this in mind. I'm not trying to be offensive. I'm trying to say Chloe was scamming, intending for a sex change operation. I am saying that talking in a biological, and genetical sense, Chloe was male and wanting money for a sex change operation. Edit: I'm talking about Chloe. Chloe is a male, who scammed, lied and threatened to get money, so that she could get a sex change operation. I'm not saying that she can't identify as a women, or that she can't use feminine pronouns. I'm saying, talking in a purely biological scientific sense, Chloe is a male wanting to undergo sex change surgery.[/QUOTE] But surely even you must admit that this distinction doesn't make much difference in a person's day-to-day life. Whether or not a person was born with one set of chromosomes over another isn't worth brooding about in conversation or even in principle. Regardless of if the project was a scam, it's just decency to regard transpeople as the genders they feel to be, rather than this kind of rigid definition of what they are.
[QUOTE=Megafan;40650224]But surely even you must admit that this distinction doesn't make much difference in a person's day-to-day life. Whether or not a person was born with one set of chromosomes over another isn't worth brooding about in conversation or even in principle. Regardless of if the project was a scam, it's just decency to regard transpeople as the genders they feel to be, rather than this kind of rigid definition of what they are.[/QUOTE] But this isn't day-to-day life. We are talking about how she scammed and lied, to get money for a sex change operation. The fact that she is biologically male is inherently and intrinsically important to this entire ordeal.
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40650308]But this isn't day-to-day life. We are talking about how she scammed and lied, to get money for a sex change operation. The fact that she is biologically male is inherently and intrinsically important to this entire ordeal.[/QUOTE] Why does that change anything? Day to day life or talking about this, her gender isn't an issue here. Her sex, yeah. That was her goal, to have a sex change operation, but her gender was never relevant and was always female.
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40650308]But this isn't day-to-day life. We are talking about how she scammed and lied, to get money for a sex change operation. The fact that she is biologically male is inherently and intrinsically important to this entire ordeal.[/QUOTE] If it was a black dude that did this, would you call him a nigger?
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40650308]But this isn't day-to-day life. We are talking about how she scammed and lied, to get money for a sex change operation. The fact that she is biologically male is inherently and intrinsically important to this entire ordeal.[/QUOTE] The point here is that she scammed and lied, not what she scammed and lied [I]for.[/I] If it was a cisgendered male collecting the money for someone else's operation, it wouldn't be any better or worse.
Just read the tweetlong article. Just...[B]what.[/B]
The first page is mayhem. Everyone didn't even get the full story yet.
[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;40649465]It's not appearance that matters to me, its a person's biological makeup (Fuck redundancy). Even with supplimented hormones, I don't feel you can simply change who you are that way.[/QUOTE] I hope that you stick to that mantra when you meet people from the trans community. "Excuse me I don't care how you identify yourself, I'm calling you a man because with my limited scope of understanding gender, it's easier for ME to comprehend."
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;40650349]Why does that change anything? Day to day life or talking about this, her gender isn't an issue here. Her sex, yeah. That was her goal, to have a sex change operation, but her gender was never relevant and was always female.[/QUOTE] That's the point. Her gender doesn't matter, but her sex does - she wanted to get a sex change operation, through lying and scamming. I'm not talking about here gender. I'm saying, the fact she is biologically male is important here, because that was her entire motivation to lie and scam. If you leave out the fact she's biologically male, that's half of the story gone.
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;40650838]That's the point. Her gender doesn't matter, but her sex does - she wanted to get a sex change operation, through lying and scamming.[/QUOTE] Now you're doing it again.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40650845]Now you're doing it again.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying the fact she is transgender is bad. I'm just saying it's relevant. It was her motivation to lie and scam. I'm not saying this as in, "transgenders all lie and scam", or that they do anything particularly different. All I'm doing, is defending Allistair, who got a fucktonne of flak just because he revealed the motivation - that Chloe is biologically male, and wanted a sex change operation.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;40650665]I hope that you stick to that mantra when you meet people from the trans community. "Excuse me I don't care how you identify yourself, I'm calling you a man because with my limited scope of understanding gender, it's easier for ME to comprehend."[/QUOTE] Haha no. If you've gotten to that part then you've also read the part where I say I will always refer to a transexual person by their desired sex/gender (and ignored it to make your point anyway :v:).
see even if transgendered people are "still men/women" i don't see why this would ever be relevant in the slightest bit. even if they're just deluding themselves - which is a pretty fucking big step mind you - it's not like they're hurting anyone or making themselves unhappy by getting surgery done. why is it apparently necessary to say "OH YEAH YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE JUST REMINDING YOU NOT TRYING TO BE OFFENSIVE" every time it becomes even vaguely related to the subject at hand? it's just really, really, life-ruiningly mean.
So did he die or what? Some people are saying he's alive in hospital?..
[QUOTE=Mr Kirill;40651133]So did he die or what? Some people are saying he's alive in hospital?..[/QUOTE] she tried to kill herself and is now in the hospital
You people bringing up chromosomes do realise there are women born with female genitals and who go through female puberty [URL="Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome"]who have XY chromosomes[/URL]? A lot of them don't even realise until later in life. Chromosomes are a pretty bad indicator of whether someone is a man or a woman. If people who look like women, talk like women, dress as women, act as women are expected to act, identify as women, and for all intents and purposes [I]are[/I] women don't fall under your definition of what a woman is, I have to say that's a pretty useless definition of "woman".
[QUOTE=Skelmech;40649750]no they really aren't. if anything most of the trans members here on FP have been some of the nicest people i've met on any forum. yea you're one of the really good ones. always makes me happy to see you in a thread about transpeople. :) [editline]15th May 2013[/editline] i remember one of the mods banning a gold member who was shitposting in the trans thread and then going in the thread for that circle of people who make fun of transpeople and saying "i only did it so they'd stop causing so much drama fuckin trannies lmao" or something along those lines. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Leaking GMF content" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] You just proved her point, Craptasket
[QUOTE=Jrock455;40651964]You just proved her point, Craptasket[/QUOTE] or his? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Inciting an argument" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Mr Kirill;40652085]or his?[/QUOTE] her [editline]15th May 2013[/editline] that ban was a little silly :/ this is a legitimate thing she's talking about and had to use an example from gmf because thats where it OCCURS but whatever
[QUOTE=Mr Kirill;40652085]or his?[/QUOTE] why do you feel the need to say this
[QUOTE=Cone;40651126]see even if transgendered people are "still men/women" i don't see why this would ever be relevant in the slightest bit. even if they're just deluding themselves - which is a pretty fucking big step mind you - it's not like they're hurting anyone or making themselves unhappy by getting surgery done. why is it apparently necessary to say "OH YEAH YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE JUST REMINDING YOU NOT TRYING TO BE OFFENSIVE" every time it becomes even vaguely related to the subject at hand? it's just really, really, life-ruiningly mean.[/QUOTE] It's not relevant if transgender people are men or women or whatever. What's relevant is the fact Chloe lied and scammed to pay for a sex change operation. If we weren't under the knowledge that she was transgendered, we wouldn't know the motivation, Whether transgendered are female or male, or identify as woman or man, is irrelevant. They are, and should be, allowed to do so. The issue is, the guys who told the truth and blew the cap off of the story are under a tonne of shit because they revealed the motivation - Chloe is transgender and wanted a sex change operation. This isn't a case where her being transgender is "vaguely related" to the subject at hand, This is a case where the entire story pivots around the fact she was wanting a sex change operation. I'm not saying it's bad for transgender people to have sex change operations, or that sex change operations are bad. I'm saying Chloe is a massive bitch for lying and scamming to get one. Also, there are genetic differences between men and women other than the X and Y chromosones - there's a huge huge set of further differences. I'm not saying this to claim transgender people cannot say they are men / women - I'm just pointing this out.
[QUOTE=Mr Kirill;40652085]or his?[/QUOTE] stop
[QUOTE=Mr Kirill;40652085]or his?[/QUOTE] please go away
[QUOTE=aznz888;40637557]she could fully become a woman[/QUOTE] ummm nope [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply? - Ban History" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Skelmech;40649750]no they really aren't. if anything most of the trans members here on FP have been some of the nicest people i've met on any forum.[/QUOTE] If you talk with them outside of FP maybe? The problem is the image you're showing of transgenders/crossdressers to everyone else on the forum. The crossdressing thread in GD is easily the worst thread on facepunch by a thousand miles, there is no other thread that generate so much drama and flaming to the point that external people come there to have a laugh because it's guaranteed.
As much as I think suicide is a terrible way to end your problems I can't help but sympathize for people who do make the choice to end their lives. It's easy for us to call it dumb or selfish but we truly cannot fathom the pain and suffering someone must feel for them to make that decision. I've been really upset at times; hurt and broken even, but as much as I couldn't handle it I pulled through. I can only imagine how awful someone must feel to take that step and make that decision.
[QUOTE=Anthracite;40652268]If you talk with them outside of FP maybe? The problem is the image you're showing of transgenders/crossdressers to everyone else on the forum. The crossdressing thread in GD is easily the worst thread on facepunch by a thousand miles, there is no other thread that generate so much drama and flaming to the point that external people come there to have a laugh because it's guaranteed.[/QUOTE] The only reason drama ever happens mostly is the stuff with the mods as she said
[QUOTE=Jrock455;40652460]The only reason drama ever happens mostly is the stuff with the mods as she said[/QUOTE] Most of the time it's just infighting.
I agree with Tommyx50. I have nothing against trannies but I don't get the sympathy for that person - he scammed people big time and then started a drama like acting like a bitch.
[QUOTE=Mr Kirill;40652719]I agree with Tommyx50. I have nothing against trannies but I don't get the sympathy for that person - he scammed people big time and then started a drama like acting like a bitch.[/QUOTE] Well your first mistake was saying trannies And your second mistake was saying he
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