Chloe Sagal, indie developer who's campaign to save her own life was cancelled has attempted suicide
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This would have been remedied a lot easier if IndieGoGo weren't complete fucks. I mean, everyone who were against her in this situation should be blamed. I don't like blaming people, but when it comes to suicide, there almost always is someone/something to be blamed.
Didn't IndieGoGo's stupid fucking algorithm check for her suspicious activity? Did they actually manually go through it at the time?
[QUOTE=Fangz;40624302]Looks like she might still be alive:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/Stillaliveornot_zps9b840f22.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I really want her to be alive but at the same time almost hope she isn't. If she is okay then the backlash from this is just going to crush her even more.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40624366]I really want her to be alive but at the same time almost hope she isn't. If she is okay then the backlash from this is just going to crush her even more.[/QUOTE]
I know you had a point but wow that was a stupid way to say it
it really won't be much use if she's dead after all.
If she was dumb enough to really kill herself, then wow.
She could have tried another fundraiser program. If she reached 29 thousand before, she could probably have done it again.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;40624206]That's dumb because if it's a life saving operation, even if you can't pay for it, you can still get it, the same way anyone can walk into an ER and get treated[/QUOTE]
except she didnt have money or insurance coverage, so they would stabilize her (which im sure she already was) and shove her out the door with a $6K+ bill.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;40624037]it's amazing that there are people that still defend this piece of shit site even after all the bullshit that has happened in the past year or two. Let's not forget the whole r/creepshots and jailbait fiasco where people were defending people posting child porn and the admins not wanting to ban those users posting it/the mods of those sections because "freedom of speech"
and if you really want a barrel of laughs, check out the MRA subreddit. that section just reeks of angsty teenagers mad at their moms for taking away their 360's because they didn't finish their homework.[/QUOTE]
A few trouble-making subreddits/users =/= the entirety of reddit
"People need to have empathy"
I normally don't give a damn for people who end their lives early by choice but in this situation I have no opinion. She was apparently already going to die.
I'm sorry if late, but this thread is huge. Does anybody know how she attempted it? Because if it's something like an overdose on over-the-counter meds, it could be turned around.
Also, that message she wrote about it going slowly... that disturbs the hell out of me. I hope she's ok. If not, RIP
[QUOTE=counterpo0;40624397]If she was [B]dumb [/B]enough to really kill herself, then wow.
She could have tried another fundraiser program. If she reached 29 thousand before, she could probably have done it again.[/QUOTE]
thats a key word here
DUMB
key word as in
this post is DUMB. and you are DUMB.
why do people have to be so fucking intolerant when it comes to suicide. The fact of the matter is you don't know what was going through her head. Much of the time they can't even stop it.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;40624415]"People need to have empathy"
I normally don't give a damn for people who end their lives early by choice but in this situation I have no opinion. She was apparently already going to die.[/QUOTE]
yes, those people making dumb decisions entirely uninfluenced by how terrible their lives are, those stupid people, i understand their situation so well I can deem myself above them and how weak they are
only the weak have empathy
that right there is you
[QUOTE=codemaster85;40624403]except she didnt have money or insurance coverage, so they would stabilize her (which im sure she already was) and shove her out the door with a $6K+ bill.[/QUOTE]
I am fairly certain that the surgery that she was funding for was untested/ineffective.
I can't say I blame indiegogo for refunding funders for something that seems this sketchy.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;40624206]That's dumb because if it's a life saving operation, even if you can't pay for it, you can still get it, the same way anyone can walk into an ER and get treated[/QUOTE]
Well, thanks to America's shitty healthcare system, her shitty parents, and her shitty insurance, she couldn't get treated.
[QUOTE=J!NX;40624417]thats a key word here
DUMB
key word as in
this post is DUMB. and you are DUMB.
why do people have to be so fucking intolerant when it comes to suicide. The fact of the matter is you don't know what was going through her head. Much of the time they can't even stop it.[/QUOTE]
suicide isn't a "smart" decision or dumb, so applying dumb or not doesn't matter, and you stressing about the adjective used before suicide isn't really getting at anything important.
I'm not defending the use of the word dumb here, but suicide can hardly be said to be the smartest of options at the best of times.
It's weird to admit. But when things like this happen I go here and just try to make people feel better. I know it seems ridiculous, but just knowing that hopefully, what I say could save a life helps me feel better about these kinds of things.
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/[/url]
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;40624415]"People need to have empathy"
[B]I normally don't give a damn for people who end their lives early by choice[/B] but in this situation I have no opinion. She was apparently already going to die.[/QUOTE]And this is why people usually commit suicide, because people like you don't give a damn for them if they try and do it.
Okay, I don't know what to believe on this moment... about the suicide.
I don't see any sources, just a suicide note, or did she really off herself on camera so that someone saw it?
I believe that she was sick and all that, and reading this thread makes me rage, but I can't help but to think if she is alive, "okay".
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40624447]suicide isn't a "smart" decision or dumb, so applying dumb or not doesn't matter, and you stressing about the adjective used before suicide isn't really getting at anything important.
I'm not defending the use of the word dumb here, but suicide can hardly be said to be the smartest of options at the best of times.[/QUOTE]
when having a slow painful death, and being ridiculed by her parents who look like they rather want her dead than a daughter, i can see it as a viable option. Not to mention prolonged metal poisoning will cause the person to go mad after time.
[QUOTE=ForDaNords;40622696]Remember this thread? [url]https://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1260611[/url]
On Youtube today she posted this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/D7qRwXI.png[/IMG]
(Can be viewed here: [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/ChloeSagal[/url] )
Then, she posted to a forum saying:
(Can also be viewed here [url]http://www.theindiestone.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12430&start=100[/url] )
This is very tragic -- we need to get the word out about this to prevent anything like this ever happening again.[/QUOTE]
I agree that this is a terrible incident, and that it would be wonderful for nothing like this to ever happen, but let's be honest for a second, here.
You mention that we should get the word out to prevent this sort of thing: How? What are we trying to prevent, exactly? The suicide of an individual because of hurtful words said on the internet, or the ending of an internet fundraising campaign that, if it had continued, may have saved a life?
We need to make clear what caused this ([b]if[/b] that's even possible in this situation, considering how many contributing factors there may have been, including her own depression), and whether or not there [b]is[/b] anything we can do. Are there any legal angles to this? How can we address the causing factors of her death without in some way violating the neutrality of the internet as a whole?
I get the feeling that this thing is a whole lot more complicated than it might look at first glance, and anyone that might have the power to change things or prevent anything like this in the future should tread carefully, lest they make a mistake that could affect all of us.
Again, I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just suggesting that we look a little harder at what might have caused this.
Ah well that fucking sucks.
Did she ever explain exactly what sort of 'metal poisoning' she was suffering from? Did she ever explain how she lost what should clearly be a cut-and-dry malpractice claim in court? Because those two things made it very, very hard for me to believe the story. I know a guy whose head is full of shrapnel he got from a real dirty IED in Afghanistan, and it's never presented any health risk. Steel and other common metals are inert, they can sit in your body for decades with no ill effect. Lead poisoning is different, but that's a relatively common thing and I've never heard to it referred to as 'metal poisoning'.
And I know people who have gone to court because their insurance companies refused to pay, even in less clear-cut cases, and still won. In such a case there would be lawyers lining up to take it on.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think it was definitely a scam. But there was a lot that smelled fishy about the story, stuff that warranted a little more explanation, a little more detail. And that never came, so I never donated. If you donated, fine- but don't call me an asshole because I don't just donate money to anyone with a sad story (and no proof) on the Internet.
Now everyone saying 'how can you possibly think it was a scam YOU'RE A HORRIBLE PERSON' at the merest hint of skepticism is demonstrating [I]exactly[/I] why tear-jerking scams work so well.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;40624415]"People need to have empathy"
I normally don't give a damn for people who end their lives early by choice but in this situation I have no opinion. She was apparently already going to die.[/QUOTE]
Man, you just really sound like a huge dick.
You don't give a damn for people that commit suicide, which depending on the situation the person might feel is their only choice to get out of a life they despise or is going to end soon and they can't control it, and then you feel the need to point out you have no choice but to care about this girl?
The hell is your problem?
[QUOTE=codemaster85;40624486]when having a slow painful death, and being ridiculed by her parents who look like they rather want her dead than a daughter, i can see it as a viable option. Not to mention prolonged metal poisoning will cause the person to go mad after time.[/QUOTE]
I understand
In that situation it's what she had to do. I wouldn't describe it as smart or clever though. It's just what she had to do because she had no other way out.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;40624206]That's dumb because if it's a life saving operation, even if you can't pay for it, you can still get it, the same way anyone can walk into an ER and get treated[/QUOTE]
they will only help you if you are in immediate distress
she wasn't
So how did she scam people? People seem very pissed.
[QUOTE=catbarf;40624505]Did she ever explain exactly what sort of 'metal poisoning' she was suffering from? Did she ever explain how she lost what should clearly be a cut-and-dry insurance claim in court? Because those two things made it very, very hard for me to believe the story. I know a guy whose head is full of shrapnel he got from a real dirty IED in Afghanistan, and it's never presented any health risk. Steel and other common metals are inert, they can sit in your body for decades with no ill effect. Lead poisoning is different, but that's a relatively common thing and I've never heard to it referred to as 'metal poisoning'.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus[/url]
[QUOTE=catbarf;40624505]Did she ever explain exactly what sort of 'metal poisoning' she was suffering from? Did she ever explain how she lost what should clearly be a cut-and-dry insurance claim in court? Because those two things made it very, very hard for me to believe the story. I know a guy whose head is full of shrapnel he got from a real dirty IED in Afghanistan, and it's never presented any health risk. Steel and other common metals are inert, they can sit in your body for decades with no ill effect. Lead poisoning is different, but that's a relatively common thing and I've never heard to it referred to as 'metal poisoning'.
And I know people who have gone to court because insurance companies refused to pay, even in less clear-cut cases, and still won.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think it was definitely a scam. But there was a lot that smelled fishy about the story, stuff that warranted a little more explanation, a little more detail. And that never came, so I never donated. If you donated, fine- but don't call me an asshole because I don't just donate money to anyone with a sad story (and no proof) on the Internet.
Now everyone saying 'how can you possibly think it was a scam YOU'RE A HORRIBLE PERSON' at the merest hint of skepticism is demonstrating [i]exactly[/i] why tear-jerking scams work so well.[/QUOTE]
There is also that a feasible treatment for a life saving procedure would be provided regardless of finances; It's only afterwards that they would need to pay for the treatment.
[QUOTE=Thlis;40624523]There is also that a feasible treatment for a life saving procedure would be provided regardless of finances; It's only afterwards that they would need to pay for the treatment.[/QUOTE]
oh yes, what a life saving operation
one that leaves you with crippling debt and long term medication payments
yes, very fair and not life crushing at all
also, it's a myth you can just walk into the ER and receive treatment for anything.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40624529]oh yes, what a life saving operation
one that leaves you with crippling debt and long term medication payments
yes, very fair and not life crushing at all[/QUOTE]
Vs death?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40624529]
also, it's a myth you can just walk into the ER and receive treatment for anything.[/QUOTE]
For life saving treatment that has been proven to work, yes you will.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;40624101]Suicide is childish and selfish no matter how you put it. Instead of getting help, you choose to end your life earlier than planned. You force everyone that ever knew you to live with the memory of your death for the rest of their lives.
And if you're religious, suicide guarantees you a spot in hell.[/QUOTE]
...[I]Planned?[/I]
Also, how is it selfish? You're suffering and hate yourself and think no one cares, but "oh that one neighbor girl will feel a bit sad for a while".
It's like saying it's selfish to put down a suffering dog while the rest of the family isn't home because "we want to see him one more time before he dies!", even though forcing him to stay alive longer would only put the dog in more pain. It only seems selfish of them if you're a dick, but really [I]you're[/I] being selfish if you want them to stay alive despite being in pain, [B]especially[/B] if you're doing nothing to help them.
And you do know that many depressed people [I]do[/I] actually seek help, right?
You do know that, right?
[QUOTE=Fangz;40624522][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus[/url][/QUOTE]
When a bunch of people are asking what 'metal poisoning' is supposed to mean, just answering 'tetanus' would be absolutely sufficient. Just providing 'tetanus' in the original plea would have done wonders. Ordinary people know what tetanus is. The fact that this answer was, as far as I know, not provided, is a little suspicious.
If your life was in danger, if you were [i]going to die[/i] unless you got help, I bet you'd make damn sure that every last little detail was accurate and included. To make such a glaring oversight seems really, really odd.
Again, I'm not saying I think it was 100% a scam, but there are a couple of things that don't add up. I have no problem with donating to people who are in need, but when a fishy story comes up and the author responds to inquiries by getting emotionally defensive, I'm not convinced.
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