• Star Wars EU now NOT considered Canon
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[QUOTE=yellowoboe;44654949][img]http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/367/417/83c.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Hes talking about the CG Series. He is still wrong either way.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;44654957]Hes talking about the CG Series. He is still wrong either way.[/QUOTE] I know. I just wanted an excuse to use that.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;44652226]I don't think a scene like this [url]http://i.minus.com/iBmbt2IHOw5iP.gif[/url] Would be in a Childrens Show? There is also a scene in a later episode where you see and hear someones neck being snapped. We obviously did not watch the same show.[/QUOTE] Wasn't that scene cutout though?
[QUOTE=O'Neil;44654971]Wasn't that scene cutout though?[/QUOTE] It was in the Netflix release of the episode. [editline]27th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=yellowoboe;44654967]I know. I just wanted an excuse to use that.[/QUOTE] It is a great GIF.
[QUOTE=tarkata14;44652268]This thread really [I]really[/I] shows off Facepunch's ability to not read an article yet still get deeply engrossed in just the title. Seriously. Go back and read the article, they're saying that they aren't using the EU as canon right now, it baffles me that people are just getting so worked up about something without reading the article.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's amazingly stupid. Title was wrong, and almost the entire discussion was based on wrong facts. Changed title and banned OP.
I think most of the EU is total garbage, but who cares if it's canon or not. You can just decide to yourself what is canon in your head and what isn't canon in your head whenever you read, watch, or play any sort of spin-off thing for anything. I mean as long as the main canon doesn't completely cut any ties you should be fine. In just the topic of star-wars, I just don't want to touch or pay attention to really anything star wars related anymore. The original theatrical editions of the original trilogy will always have a special place in my heart, but pretty much anything I experience these days that is star wars related is just terrible. For instance, I saw a comic where Boba Fett fights Darth Vader and if I remember correctly Boba Fett actually gives Darth a run for his money. It's like people don't even care that Boba was a total jobber in the movies and totally died like a bitch but everyone just decides to keep him alive and be basically the "edgy powerful badass" of the lore because he looks cool. Just shit like that I totally disagree with and I just get turned off to anything EU related.
[QUOTE=meppers;44644741]If it didn't happen in the [b]original 3[/b] movies it never happened[/QUOTE] QFT.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;44656725]Yeah it's amazingly stupid. Title was wrong, and almost the entire discussion was based on wrong facts. Changed title and banned OP.[/QUOTE] From my understanding, only the post RotJ EU isn't canon anymore. Any timeline era EU before it is still canon, I think.
[QUOTE=Fangz;44662348]From my understanding, only the post RotJ EU isn't canon anymore. Any timeline era EU before it is still canon, I think.[/QUOTE] Basically nothing is canon unless it's directly referenced or shown in a Lucasfilm production.
The Credits for the SWTOR Starfighter Expansion mentioned the Lucasfilm Story Group. [url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucasfilm_Story_Group[/url] "The Lucasfilm Story Group is a division of Lucasfilm Ltd. founded in 2013[1] that will determine all Star Wars canon."
[QUOTE=Tuskin;44652226]I don't think a scene like this [url]http://i.minus.com/iBmbt2IHOw5iP.gif[/url] Would be in a Childrens Show? There is also a scene in a later episode where you see and hear someones neck being snapped. We obviously did not watch the same show.[/QUOTE] There's also a lot of strangely realistic terrorist attacks in the show. They track down the identity of a suicide bomber by finding his severed arm in the rubble. Then you find out [sp]he was an involuntary bomber and his wife ended up slipping explosive nanodroids into his bloodstream. She then gets choked to death.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;44663126]There's also a lot of strangely realistic terrorist attacks in the show. They track down the identity of a suicide bomber by finding his severed arm in the rubble. Then you find out [sp]he was an involuntary bomber and his wife ended up slipping explosive nanodroids into his bloodstream. She then gets choked to death.[/sp][/QUOTE] Oh yeah, thats was pretty deep. There was also an episode where a group tried to [sp]Poison the Juice supply of Mandalore's School system[/sp]
[QUOTE=Tuskin;44652226]I don't think a scene like this [url]http://i.minus.com/iBmbt2IHOw5iP.gif[/url] Would be in a Childrens Show? There is also a scene in a later episode where you see and hear someones neck being snapped. We obviously did not watch the same show.[/QUOTE] The action is what makes the show feel mature - it's well done and sometimes it's gruesome. There are a few things that make it feel like a kid's show: It focuses on kids and characters that appeal to kids too often. The dialogue is heavy handed. The plot is often simple, and the characters are often flat. Clone Wars 2003 suffered from these same problems, but I think it's way better since more screen time is devoted to wordless fighting, something which the creators of both shows excel at. The characters open their mouths less, and these things only really jump out at me when they're talking or shouting.
[QUOTE=BenJammin';44656963]I think most of the EU is total garbage, but who cares if it's canon or not. You can just decide to yourself what is canon in your head and what isn't canon in your head whenever you read, watch, or play any sort of spin-off thing for anything. I mean as long as the main canon doesn't completely cut any ties you should be fine. In just the topic of star-wars, I just don't want to touch or pay attention to really anything star wars related anymore. The original theatrical editions of the original trilogy will always have a special place in my heart, but pretty much anything I experience these days that is star wars related is just terrible. For instance, I saw a comic where Boba Fett fights Darth Vader and if I remember correctly Boba Fett actually gives Darth a run for his money. It's like people don't even care that Boba was a total jobber in the movies and totally died like a bitch but everyone just decides to keep him alive and be basically the "edgy powerful badass" of the lore because he looks cool. Just shit like that I totally disagree with and I just get turned off to anything EU related.[/QUOTE] Pretty much any book in the EU after the Prequel movies sucks. Good rule of thumb. Of course the exceptions to the rule exist such as Zahn's books. They keep trying to one up the movies and it honestly gets annoying because the galaxy keeps going into crisis mode and the Jedi show up and go "CAN WE FIX IT? YES WE CAN".
[QUOTE=usaokay;44663799]Is KOTOR still considered canon? It takes place thousands of years before the films.[/QUOTE] Well as I posted above, the LucasFilm Story Group was involved with SWTOR, so any references to KOTOR in SWTOR are canon, so... maybe? Revan was almost in Clone Wars as some sort of force echo or something stupid from that 3 part story, approved by George Lucas, the scene was written and they had a model done and textured, but at the last moment GL changed his mind. The featurette for the episode said they were using him as an example of an Ancient Dark Lord along with Darth Bane (who would show up in a later episode on Korriban/Moraband) [t]http://puu.sh/8qw6Y.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44644780]Well here's hoping the films are about the Yuuzhan Vong.[/QUOTE] Oh god, the EU contains some retarded shit (Centrepoint Station anyone?) but the Yuuzhan Vong were by far the worst.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;44663828]Well as I posted above, the LucasFilm Story Group was involved with SWTOR, so any references to KOTOR in SWTOR are canon, so... maybe? [/QUOTE] I feel like that doesn't make TOR canon quite yet, if only because it seems like their role may have been making sure that Galactic Starfighter adhered to the current canon correctly. It'd be weird if all of TOR/KOTOR were made canon due to the Story Group being involved with one of the expansions of the game and not even the main game.
[QUOTE=usaokay;44663799]Is KOTOR still considered canon? It takes place thousands of years before the films.[/QUOTE] tbh nothing really has changed with the canon. The canon has always been loosely defined. [QUOTE]"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."[/QUOTE] all this means is that the writers for the sequel trilogy aren't going to be bogged down by third party stories. You can almost guarantee nothing in the sequel trilogy will clash with Kotor in any way so it's safe. [editline]28th April 2014[/editline] canon is such a weird concept anyway "which fiction really happened"
oh my god this is hilarious in the disney facebook page, people are littering some post about wreck-it-ralph crying about how disney erased their heroes
Why don't we have a Bad Reading rating anymore?
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44666284]oh my god this is hilarious in the disney facebook page, people are littering some post about wreck-it-ralph crying about how disney erased their heroes[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7SdOMdW.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44644810]Excuse me? 6 movies? So what is that? A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return Of The Jedi, The Ewok Adventure, Ewoks: The Battle for Endor, and the Holiday Special?[/QUOTE] Dunno, man, I enjoyed the newest 3 movies because of the droids.
[QUOTE=Sonic Fan;44667229][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7SdOMdW.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] "Disney isn't hero, destroy everything."
The Star wars EU really had it's gems, but Jesus Christ was it filled with mostly crap. [IMG]http://24.media.tumblr.com/7cfa6482ed31bdf8f2dadfe7c7d3d1fd/tumblr_mhg1jkU7mA1qzvr49o1_400.jpg[/IMG] THIS WAS CANON, HAN SOLO FIGHTING A FUCKING SPACE OTTER.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44646643]sadly in the prequels a lot of really stupid shit was added so whats so bad about this? I mean Jesus Christ [video=youtube;Pk4AiCnMqpg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk4AiCnMqpg[/video] this is the stupidest fight scene ever and palpatine very specifically said in the originals he thinks "jedi weapons" (light sabers) are practically toys KoTOR and Jedi Knight are gold though, if something like the prequels are canon, why can't those games be (and beyond)[/QUOTE] This right here. I had a major star wars phase a few years ago and read a bunch of EU novels and such, and there are some characters and stories in the EU that are just plain awesome and add so much to the mythos of the Star Wars universe, it's dumb not to consider them canon. KOTOR and JK for one, but also all that stuff about admiral Thrawn or whatever his name was I mean, this would be sort of like someone from Tolkien's estate saying "Anything outside of The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy isn't canon" even though all that extra stuff is what makes the world so interesting.
"the EU is cannon apart from the dumb bits" would be the ideal official statement on the star wars EU.
Disregarding the EU storyline post ROTJ was the best choice because it allows the writers to be more creative, they have a blank slate to work from. Plus they're not ignoring everything. [quote]Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.[/quote]
[QUOTE=J!NX;44646643]sadly in the prequels a lot of really stupid shit was added so whats so bad about this? I mean Jesus Christ [video=youtube;Pk4AiCnMqpg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk4AiCnMqpg[/video] this is the stupidest fight scene ever and palpatine very specifically said in the originals he thinks "jedi weapons" (light sabers) are practically toys KoTOR and Jedi Knight are gold though, if something like the prequels are canon, why can't those games be (and beyond)[/QUOTE] I think what's interesting is that lightsaber fighting was originally, way back when, inspired by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo"]kendo[/URL], of all things, which is why the fight between Kenobi and Vader looks incredibly slow
[QUOTE=RikohZX;44651612]Funny enough, this may also mean The Old Republic, still going, means nothing to the main canon anymore. And neither do the KotOR games. Republic Commando. Jedi Knight. Shadows of the Empire. The Force Unleashed. You name it, it still exists in physical form but now they're just.. Gone-gone instead of simply unacknowledged/ignored.[/QUOTE] Aaaaaaactually, this is from the Clone Wars. [img]http://i.imgur.com/fxfagiQ.jpg[/img] Meaning in some way, shape or form Republic Commando is canon.
[QUOTE=Takuat;44679104]Aaaaaaactually, this is from the Clone Wars. [img]http://i.imgur.com/fxfagiQ.jpg[/img] Meaning in some way, shape or form Republic Commando is canon.[/QUOTE] Pleasepleaseplease let it be true.
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