• Remember that Cleveland kid that got shot for pulling a BB gun on cops? His family is suing.
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[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46673430]and being an adult cop excuses you even less[/QUOTE] If you point a gun (or a gun shaped object) at police you're likely going to get shot. I don't know why anyone would expect any other result, or why anyone would think being 12 somehow makes the person any less of a threat. It's a gun, if the person is old enough to pull the trigger, they can kill someone with a gun. I do wonder why the police decided to pull right up to the kid, but to say that was a poor (or good) decision without knowing the (given) reasoning behind it is to jump to conclusions. As is making a judgement off of some poor security camera footage with a bad angle on what took place.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46673482]Probably because I'm not going to gamble my life on whether that weapon is real or fake. The fact that a kiwi can put his $0.02 into a thread about american law enforcement carries 0 weight[/QUOTE] driving directly up to a possibly armed person IS gambling your life lol. and lol really? really????
My only question is, why did they pull up so close to him when they thought he had a gun?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46673480]The glass on a police cruiser is bullet proof. The vehicle is armored against pistol rounds. It makes perfect sense to get as close as possible because a pistol isn't going to do a damn thing against a cop car.[/QUOTE] So why immediately open the door, get out, and start firing? Maybe try flashing your lights from the safety of your vehicle? Use the loudspeaker most police cruisers have to tell the kid to drop the gun and get on the ground? It was handled very poorly. The way the cops handled it led to the death of a 12-year-old kid. Blame the parents all you want - the kid made a poor decision and was killed because of the negligence of the police officers.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46673429]I'm pretty sure he heard the cops showing up. You know they don't just magically appear. There was more than enough time to drop that shit. He should know that having a gun+the cops showing up=you dying, ESPECIALLY if he lives in a shitty neighborhood.[/QUOTE] omfg are you saying that as a 12 year old kid, you wouldn't panic when cops pull up with guns fucking pointed at you
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46673492]Did you read it and it not make sense? What part doesn't make sense? The fact that cops are only about 7% accurate with their firearms during a firefight? Or the fact that a police car is an effective shield, and police are regularly trained to use it as such?[/QUOTE] a car isn't a very effective shield when you're in it and 2 feet away from the person with the gun, i think it's more effective when you stop it, get out & hide behind it and then proceed to order the dude with the gun to drop it [editline]9th December 2014[/editline] what would i know though? i'm just a kiwi afterall
I hope everyone applies, goes through the process several times, gets hired, and becomes a police officer in this thread. You all have just so many perfect fucking ideas for everything
[QUOTE=Richoxen;46673483]The cops made a really dumb decision. An innocent person died. Is it outlandish to think that the offices might get in at least a little trouble and the family be compensated for losing their son?[/QUOTE] what if the gun was real? would his death be so wrongful? what if it was real but unloaded? what if it was only a .22? these are all things that the cops had absolutely no idea about. any of the given scenarios would have lead to the same conclusion. no one would have had the same reaction if the kid had an actual gun because suddenly then it's his fault just because the gun he brandished was actually what it looked exactly like
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46673508]I hope everyone applies, goes through the process several times, gets hired, and becomes a police officer in this thread. You all have just so many perfect fucking ideas for everything[/QUOTE] i hope more 12 year olds die and we blame it on bad parenting rather than shitty police officers
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46673509]what if the gun was real? would his death be so wrongful? what if it was real but unloaded? what if it was only a .22? these are all things that the cops had absolutely no idea about. any of the given scenarios would have lead to the same conclusion. no one would have had the same reaction if the kid had an actual gun because suddenly then it's his fault just because the gun he brandished was actually what it looked exactly like[/QUOTE] The cops could easily have determined if it was real/fake/unloaded/loaded/ect if they hadn't charge in like it was d-day.
i hope we literally come up with every possible way to excuse apparently professional law enforcement from killing 12 year olds rather than criticize the police force [editline]9th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;46673515]I hope people stop being fucking dumb and stop purchasing BB guns for 12 year olds without actually explaining the implications of having something that even looks like a gun.[/QUOTE] 'son, if you ever have a toy gun with you be prepared to drop it within a microsecond because police will kill you basically 2 seconds after they arrive on the scene'
alright can we all agree that: A) cops shouldn't run up on anyone the way they did, especially if there is a gun threat involved, & B) kids, or anyone, should not play with anything that resembles a realistic weapon in public because obviously its going to freak people out, including cops whose job it is to protect the public against people with guns
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46673515]I hope people stop being fucking dumb and stop purchasing BB guns for 12 year olds without actually explaining the implications of having something that even looks like a gun.[/QUOTE] i dunno why you'd expect a 12 year old to have the ingrained reaction to immediately drop a toy that some trigger happy cop might assume is a real weapon (even having been told otherwise) within the 2 seconds it took them to gun him down.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46673546]alright can we all agree that: A) cops shouldn't run up on anyone the way they did, especially if there is a gun threat involved, & B) kids, or anyone, should not play with anything that resembles a realistic weapon in public because obviously its going to freak people out, including cops whose job it is to protect the public against people with guns[/QUOTE] i can agree with that, i can also agree that it is far easier to train professional adults to act more reasonably in these kinds of situations than it is to train children not to be idiots especially when it comes to playing with toy guns
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46673546]alright can we all agree that: A) cops shouldn't run up on anyone the way they did, especially if there is a gun threat involved, & B) kids, or anyone, should not play with anything that resembles a realistic weapon in public because obviously its going to freak people out, including cops whose job it is to protect the public against people with guns[/QUOTE] That's reasonable. Agreed. But hey, don't let the thread die. The fun could just be starting :v: Now lets make it about race :dance:
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46673555]i can agree with that, i can also agree that it is far easier to train professional adults to act more reasonably in these kinds of situations than it is to train children not to be idiots especially when it comes to playing with toy guns[/QUOTE] i accept that, fair enough
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46673566]i accept that, fair enough[/QUOTE] Did a facepunch argument involving a cop and a black kid just end with mutual agreement? What the fuck is this.
Kid was stupid to wave around a look-a-like gun around a police officer and was stupid to aim it at him. Cops are fucked up because they charged in immediately and killed him when they shouldn't have. The Police could of handled this better.
Glad to see that we can all recognize that this was an unnecessary tragedy. Rare to see an argument like this one on Facepunch boil down to that.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;46673561]That's reasonable. Agreed. But hey, don't let the thread die. The fun could just be starting :v: Now lets make it about race :dance:[/QUOTE] Its already about race. Everything is about race. The deck of race cards are being thrown everywhere.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46673668]Its already about race. Everything is about race. The deck of race cards are being thrown everywhere.[/QUOTE] [quote]I hope everyone applies, goes through the process several times, gets hired, and becomes a police officer in this thread. You all have just so many perfect fucking ideas for everything[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Blue_Line_%28emblem%29[/url] You don't seem to have any bias here huh
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46673343]so maybe if in these tense situations things can happen so fast it would make more sense for cops not to drive their car straight next to the person with the 'gun' ?[/QUOTE] Perhaps they didn't think there was a serious threat, so they drive up close only for him to pull it out as exit the car?
I was gonna ask how that second amendment was working out for you yanks, not that good really. At the end of the day, some poor kid gets shot, those police officers are gonna have to deal with this all their lives, everybody loses, America is a pretty fucked up place
eh, when I was 14 me and my little brother had to walk past a playground and open field with kids and people with their dogs. We took the mags out of the airsoft ak and ar, put them in our pockets, and slung them over our shoulders. And the orange tips were still on too. Literally nobody gave a shit. The only time the cops cared was when my friend trespassed into some stranger's yard to take cover, they yelled at us and drove off
[QUOTE=Richoxen;46673236]Also just for fun this image. [IMG]http://www.motherjones.com/files/Racism_online_630_Armed2.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE] That "study" is hilariously bad. Difference's of 2-3% in average reaction times are presented as evidence of bias, when results that close are well within margin-of-error and if they demonstrate anything it is that reaction times are almost identical regardless of race. Nvm the fact that they have made no effort to ensure the guns are equally visible, for example the left picture shows a silver gun against a white background, and the right picture shows a black gun on a white background. And that propensity to shoot table has no units but could well be in percentage, in which case it's saying the likelihood of error in judging whether someone is armed is under 0.1%, again regardless of race...
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46668418]No one is saying he deserved to die, the argument is were the cops acting in an appropriate manner and was the shots the officer took justified. Given all the circumstances, it appears the cops were acting correctly. It sucks that some kid died but even a kid can kill someone if he has a gun.[/QUOTE] You're saying a cop is doing his job correctly when he kills someone who they don't know if they're a threat or not?
i think the best part about all of this race issue tumblr defending shit is that you guys really think that white cops wanna go out and execute black people because that's totally efficient, the cop, the departments, the entire hierarchy of officials love nothing more than executing innocent people then joining together to form an alliance of solidarity whose one purpose is to cover their trails of unwarranted black slaying yep from the police departments, fema, juries, courts, they are all lying and in cahoots with one another all for the sake of being racist and wanting to execute any black person
[QUOTE=Apache249;46673691]Perhaps they didn't think there was a serious threat, so they drive up close only for him to pull it out as exit the car?[/QUOTE] why did they blast him immediately if they didn't think he wasn't a serious threat? iirc the dispatcher didn't tell them that he 911 caller said they didn't think it was a real gun. also, these last two or three pages have been fine but nobody's really brought up the second act of negligence from the cops: not attending to tamir after he was laying there dying. like, if they were able to somehow tell that he was a threat within 2 seconds of rolling up, wouldn't they be able to realize that the gun wasn't real in half that time, and tend to him while they awaited an EMT or something? he was there for a whole FOUR minutes, which is a lot if somebody's been turned into swiss cheese and is bleeding out.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46676813]also, these last two or three pages have been fine but nobody's really brought up the second act of negligence from the cops: not attending to tamir after he was laying there dying. like, if they were able to somehow tell that he was a threat within 2 seconds of rolling up, wouldn't they be able to realize that the gun wasn't real in half that time, and tend to him while they awaited an EMT or something? he was there for a whole FOUR minutes, which is a lot if somebody's been turned into swiss cheese and is bleeding out.[/QUOTE] I don't think there is much first aid could do for a bullet in the stomach...
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46676884]I don't think there is much first aid could do for a bullet in the stomach...[/QUOTE] You bleed to death very, very quickly. Depending on the caliber of the shot, a punctured/ruptured stomach lining is one of those things that you'll die from if you aren't pmuch in the operating room when it happens.
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