• How do you fight possible false rape reports? Get your MRA buddies and spam actual false rape report
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43236584]Feminism isn't about equality. Its about fighting for womens rights. Plenty of feminists have this strange way of thinking. Something about how men have the power in the patriarchy.[/QUOTE] I'd argue that it's both: Making men and women equal by ensuring that women have the same rights as men.
Using this form to report actual people is a horrible idea, whether the report is true or false. If it's false, you're causing major stress to whoever you reported.(And good luck sorting legitimate from non-legitimate if the form filler doesn't use absurd language) If it's true, the campus only "talks" to someone but doesn't take disciplinary action yet. I'm sure the one talked to will know who reported them, making it MORE dangerous for the "anonymous" accuser. Good job Occidental. This sort of stuff needs to go away from campus enforcement to actual law enforcement. Campuses are NOT equipped to be criminal investigators.
What should I expect from Reddit? Do these kids also wear fedoras?
To be fair the amount of leverage given to women in cases of rape accusations is pretty gross. I can speak from personal experience. I almost got into deep shit because a girl who I was on bad terms with (we were on bad terms because of social bullshit and we had a stint in a relationship that ended badly, I never assaulted, exhorted, or hurt her) tried to take me to court on rape charges (I should also mention this person was pretty imbalanced). Thankfully it never came to fruition because there was no evidence for the prosecution, it still heavily damaged my reputation among some people in my home town.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43236618]If anyone said anything like this about feminists, they'd be told "that's just the imaginary tumblr straw-feminist, [B]real[/B] feminists (lol true scotsman) aren't like that".[/QUOTE] well Feminism is revolutionary and MRA is reactionary, that's probably a lot to do with it like the ideal of feminism is to promote gender equality the ideal of men's right activism is some weird nebulous shit that came out of people misunderstanding feminism
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43236584]Feminism isn't about equality. Its about fighting for womens rights.[/QUOTE] Feminism is the advocacy of womens rights on the grounds of equality between sexes. It's literally about making women have the same rights as men, because they historically haven't, and still don't. So yes, it very much is about equality.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43236618]If anyone said anything like this about feminists, they'd be told "that's just the imaginary tumblr straw-feminist, [B]real[/B] feminists (lol true scotsman) aren't like that".[/QUOTE] Except that this kind of behavior has characterized MRAs since they've been a thing and is fairly well documented, if one wishes to look.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43236991]Except that this kind of behavior has characterized MRAs since they've been a thing and is fairly well documented, if one wishes to look.[/QUOTE] And you can easily find crazy feminists? Perhaps everybody is making the mistake of using fringe elements on the internet to represent large movements
like if these MRAs seriously wanted equality between genders as they claim to they would identify as either feminists or humanists rather than what they've done. Surprisingly enough there are feminist groups that promote equality, and those 'feminazis' are in fact what's called a 'vocal minority'. You know, like with everything ever
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43237009]And you can easily find crazy feminists?[/QUOTE] Not really. And this shit is mainstream in the MRM, as opposed to subsets in feminists.
None of this will help because people will use this to discredit actual rape reports.
[QUOTE=Swilly;43237104]None of this will help because people will use this to discredit actual rape reports.[/QUOTE] Honestly, with some MRAs that would likely be thought of as a bonus.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43237009]And you can easily find crazy feminists? Perhaps everybody is making the mistake of using fringe elements on the internet to represent large movements[/QUOTE] This is pretty much where I was going with that but I didn't feel it needed to be said. [QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43236991]Except that this kind of behavior has characterized MRAs since they've been a thing and is fairly well documented, if one wishes to look.[/QUOTE] It's not like you have to look far to find batshit insane feminists. A quick tour around Jezebel or Tumblr and you're bound to find things like "all heterosexual sex is rape" and massive generalizations about men based entirely on stereotypes and myths. The "straw-feminist" is not rare, nor is it quiet. They get a lot of support.
MRAs are not intelligent enough. Look, MRAs are the result of men who are bitter for being burned by some parts of the system which are actually tilted against men. Which is fine, you should make things equal. They fuck up because they get a lot of members who run into radical feminists, who do a shit job of explaining things if Face punch were to be used as a Sample case, who then get confused because they don't there are different feminist theories. So really you have confused young men who are led by angry older men who have MINOR legitimate complaints. Those are MRAs in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43236618]If anyone said anything like this about feminists, they'd be told "that's just the imaginary tumblr straw-feminist, [B]real[/B] feminists (lol true scotsman) aren't like that".[/QUOTE] the idea that men need a civil rights movement is an inherently wrong concept. men have some problems, but A) most are hardly exclusive to just them, and B) the ones that are are only like that because of the gulf between genders - a gulf only widened by stating that all feminists are castration-happy Nazis, or accusing rape victims of being liars. feminism is a rich and diverse melting pot of numerous ideas throughout the world, and many feminists have different takes on how to accomplish its stated goals. although it has basic objectives and a general framework of ideals, it can't be summed up by a few fringe fanatics who want to slice people's balls off - and you're an idiot if you think it can. [editline]19th December[/editline] and the difference between feminism and men's rights activism being that the binding elements and thoughts of men's right activism are inherently dumb. that's why you can judge the whole movement like that - because if you call yourself an MRA, you believe in dumb, often deeply misogynist stuff, no matter what your take on it might be. you can say that maybe they don't believe in that kind of stuff, which leads me to my second point: if your thoughts on egalitarianism weren't wrong, you wouldn't call yourself a men's rights activist.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43236584]Feminism isn't about equality. Its about fighting for womens rights. Plenty of feminists have this strange way of thinking. Something about how men have the power in the patriarchy.[/QUOTE] This has been explained to you multiple times in multiple threads and i think you should do some academic research into sociology and gender roles instead of making ignorant posts like this.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43237009]And you can easily find crazy feminists? Perhaps everybody is making the mistake of using fringe elements on the internet to represent large movements[/QUOTE] Except the entire men's rights movement is inherently stupid. Feminists have a long list of valid, statistically supported grievances while "men's rights advocates" only have a bunch of rhetorical bullshit and misrepresented and misunderstood social issues
Spamming fake reports will hardly help, but anyone who doesn't think an anonymous sexual violence/harassment report system is an absolutely terrible idea needs to get his shit straight.
[QUOTE=Cone;43237190]the idea that men need a civil rights movement is an inherently wrong concept. men have some problems, but A) most are hardly exclusive to just them, and B) the ones that are are only like that because of the gulf between genders - a gulf only widened by stating that all feminists are castration-happy Nazis, or accusing rape victims of being liars. feminism is a rich and diverse melting pot of numerous ideas throughout the world, and many feminists have different takes on how to accomplish its stated goals. although it has basic objectives and a general framework of ideals, it can't be summed up by a few fringe fanatics who want to slice people's balls off - and you're an idiot if you think it can.[/QUOTE] You're right about feminism being a very diverse movement. Feminists are going to have to start making names for their various divisions because it is thoroughly confusing to outsiders. You're wrong about men not needing a civil rights movement. Not all issues men face are driven by gender. Education is one of the most troubling developments, as schools are increasingly being geared towards women. This shows up the most in younger children, and it isn't pretty. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;43237300]Except the entire men's rights movement is inherently stupid. Feminists have a long list of valid, statistically supported grievances while "men's rights advocates" only have a bunch of rhetorical bullshit and misrepresented and misunderstood social issues[/QUOTE] Sweeping generalizations are back in vogue at Facepunch.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43237316] You're wrong about men not needing a civil rights movement. Not all issues men face are driven by gender. Education is one of the most troubling developments, as schools are increasingly being geared towards women. This shows up the most in younger children, and it isn't pretty.[/QUOTE] But this is a reflexive product of the fight back against institutionalized misogyny; it's not a product of any sort of misandry and so a movement which tries to fight back against misandry (ie fight back against something that doesn't exist) is not going to be productive. A civil rights movement is a movement which needs to be targeted at a larger social order of discrimination.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43236618]If anyone said anything like this about feminists, they'd be told "that's just the imaginary tumblr straw-feminist, [B]real[/B] feminists (lol true scotsman) aren't like that".[/QUOTE] This too. I'm probably gonna go offtopic but: There are seriously some of you fucking hypocrites on this site that I vividly remember defending FEMEN throwing liquids and assaulting peaceful people as "a good way to bring attention to issues" yet are in here condemning this. Stop fucking acting like [B]all[/B] feminists fight for equality because that isn't true, there are plenty of extremists that don't fight for fucking equality at all. MRAs are shit, and there are plenty of feminists that are the flip side of MRAs, if not much worse.
If men want to get rid of stuff like the fact that men have a harder time when it comes to custody battles then they should join the feminist movement, which is the movement which seeks to eradicate all of the institutionalized perceptions about "men's roles" and "women's roles" that underlie those sorts of legal biases. The concept that men need some sort of "counter-movement" to fight back against a [i]movement which seeks total equality of the sexes[/i] just shows to go how fuckin ignorant people are about the goals of feminism.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;43237340]But this is a reflexive product of the fight back against institutionalized misogyny; it's not a product of any sort of misandry and so a movement which tries to fight back against misandry (ie fight back against something that doesn't exist) is not going to be productive. A civil rights movement is a movement which needs to be targeted at a larger social order of discrimination.[/QUOTE] I see what you mean, especially about this not being a product of misandry, but if not for MRAs and a handful of education professionals, no one else is really talking about it.
[QUOTE=acds;43237360]This too. I'm probably gonna go offtopic but: There are seriously some of you fucking hypocrites on this site that I vividly remember defending FEMEN throwing liquids and assaulting peaceful people as "a good way to bring attention to issues" yet are in here condemning this. Stop fucking acting like [B]all[/B] feminists fight for equality because that isn't true, there are plenty of extremists that don't fight for fucking equality at all. MRAs are shit, and there are plenty of feminists that are the flip side of MRAs, if not much worse.[/QUOTE] I'm not defending feminists tho, I'm defending feminism there will be shit feminists, because there are shit everything. but as a concept, feminism is sound
[QUOTE=acds;43237360]This too. I'm probably gonna go offtopic but: There are seriously some of you fucking hypocrites on this site that I vividly remember defending FEMEN throwing liquids and assaulting peaceful people as "a good way to bring attention to issues" yet are in here condemning this. Stop fucking acting like [B]all[/B] feminists fight for equality because that isn't true, there are plenty of extremists that don't fight for fucking equality at all. MRAs are shit, and there are plenty of feminists that are the flip side of MRAs, if not much worse.[/QUOTE] Not really. I don't care about or need to pay attention to whichever sort of "radical feminists" you're complaining about because those people don't have any actual power. Meanwhile in America we have elected representatives who spout stuff about "legitimate rape;" that is: people who wield meaningful political power. It's not "two sides of the same coin."
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43237136]"all heterosexual sex is rape"[/QUOTE] Is this a real thing?
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43237384]I see what you mean, especially about this not being a product of misandry, but if not for MRAs and a handful of education professionals, no one else is really talking about it.[/QUOTE] Feminists talk about this kind of thing all the time though? Maybe if people actually listened to them instead of going on weird tangents about tumblr they might actually hear that.. And talking about something in an ignorant and misleading way isn't any better than not talking about it at all. [editline]19th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;43237427]Is this a real thing?[/QUOTE] I heard someone on some forum say something like that one time, which means I am justified in bringing it up whenever I feel like as something which people actually believe. So whenever anyone talks about the deep, ideological goals of a huge movement involving millions of people, I can mention that one time I heard someone say something I disagree with.
If you feel that feminism is taking sides, why would you choose to take the opposite side, instead of looking for a way to promote both sides?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;43237417]Not really. I don't care about or need to pay attention to whichever sort of "radical feminists" you're complaining about because those people don't have any actual power. Meanwhile in America we have elected representatives who spout stuff about "legitimate rape;" that is: people who wield meaningful political power. It's not "two sides of the same coin."[/QUOTE] Well, not like MRAs have much power either. [QUOTE=Starpluck;43237427]Is this a real thing?[/QUOTE] There was some radical feminist in the 60s (I think) that said that. I don't think anyone but the most insane would believe that though, not even SRS.
[QUOTE=acds;43237469]Well, not like MRAs have much power either. [/QUOTE] No, they absolutely do. All across the US state legislatures are making it harder for women to access abortions and contraceptive care and they do so with the same rhetoric about promiscuity that MRA's use. Though shitheels like Todd Akin might not identify as "MRAs", they use the same rhetoric and are ideologically aligned.
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