'Blurred Lines' banned from UK universities due to claims of encouraging "Rape culture" - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42331279]if you were sober you wouldn't have been coerced into doing it though if you make a bad decision because you're drunk and regret it, maybe you should cut back on how much alcohol you have. you can have a few drinks without having to get wasted enough that anyone can take advantage of you.[/QUOTE] Are you stupid? Getting drunk is not a crime. Women are not telepathic organisms who can say "hmm, tonight somebody is going to try and take advantage of me, better not drink!" If someone wants to drink they are within their full rights to do it without getting criticized by assholes like you who lack empathy. Getting taken advantage of in an inebriated state is not a "decision" jesus christ what is wrong with you.

whatever, private institutions can do what they like in terms of restrictions, as long as cops arent pulling people over for playing it in their car, shit don't matter

[QUOTE=thisispain;42336725]i know you mean it sarcastically but i wouldn't be against a sublime ban in anyway[/QUOTE] relevant

Well, if we're talking about songs that are about rape.. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFuPm8XRpFU[/media] [editline]28th September 2013[/editline] Pffft. Fucking embedding disabled. [editline]28th September 2013[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Vq9lh-YpE[/media]

I feel the true blurred lines here is the meaning of the lyrics and the way people take it. Things like 'good girl' and 'I know you want it' aren't words of rape, it's more sexual or dirty talk. Sex or sexual things does not equal rape, just fyi.

[QUOTE=GradionFox;42339993]I feel the true blurred lines here is the meaning of the lyrics and the way people take it. Things like 'good girl' and 'I know you want it' aren't words of rape, it's more sexual or dirty talk. Sex or sexual things does not equal rape, just fyi.[/QUOTE] "I know you want it" implies you don't care whether or not she actually wants it, you just assume she may from whatever interactions you've had. That's not consent, and going after someone who you assume wants your dick when you don't know that is strange, that's also pretty fucking creepy.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42340146]"I know you want it" implies you don't care whether or not she actually wants it, you just assume she may from whatever interactions you've had. That's not consent, and going after someone who you assume wants your dick when you don't know that is strange, that's also pretty fucking creepy.[/QUOTE] All depends on the situation and context. I could see it being used as sort of teasing. What I meant is they aren't [I]strictly[/I] rape words. Kind of a double entendre.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42337102]Are you stupid? Getting drunk is not a crime. Women are not telepathic organisms who can say "hmm, tonight somebody is going to try and take advantage of me, better not drink!" If someone wants to drink they are within their full rights to do it without getting criticized by assholes like you who lack empathy. Getting taken advantage of in an inebriated state is not a "decision" jesus christ what is wrong with you.[/QUOTE] getting drunk IS a conscious decision of anyone who decides to drink too much though you can drink without getting drunk enough that you can get taken advantage of as well, no need to get wasted just because you want to have a nice night out edit: i love how people are fine with songs being banned if they're songs that they don't like, that's like fuck anyone who likes that song, i don't like it so they should ban it!!!

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340335]getting drunk IS a conscious decision of anyone who decides to drink too much though you can drink without getting drunk enough that you can get taken advantage of as well, no need to get wasted just because you want to have a nice night out[/QUOTE] And that means the drunk person is at fault how again? You are allowed to get as drunk as you damn please, as long as you aren't causing trouble (fighting, breaking stuff, vomiting everywhere), people shouldn't care. If someone takes advantage of a drunk person, they made the choice to take advantage of someone who is clearly unfit to make decisions, they are to blame.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42340146]"I know you want it" implies you don't care whether or not she actually wants it, you just assume she may from whatever interactions you've had. That's not consent, and going after someone who you assume wants your dick when you don't know that is strange, that's also pretty fucking creepy.[/QUOTE] But didn't she already say "I want to fuck you" in the song? Think it through a minute. He says "You want to hug me?, What rhymes with hug me?". So he heard her say she wanted to hug him, but he'd actually misheard and she wanted to fuck him, right?

Also the song is fucking terrible. But that's not why a lot of people are fine with it being banned, more because of the message it spreads (and thanks to it being "popular", it would spread a lot). [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Deiru;42340358]But didn't she already say "I want to fuck you" in the song? Think it through a minute. He says "You want to hug me?, What rhymes with hug me?". So he heard her say she wanted to hug him, but he'd actually misheard and she wanted to fuck him, right?[/QUOTE] Now that is straw graspy. While you could probably interpret it as that, that isn't implied at all in the song (plus with how obscene the video is, I'm pretty sure he'd have just said fuck).

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340335]getting drunk IS a conscious decision of anyone who decides to drink too much though[/QUOTE] and? that doesn't diminish the fact that SOMEONE ELSE is consciously deciding to take advantage of someone who is drunk. and you act like it's the person fault for drinking? congratulations, you're perpetuating rape culture. [quote]you can drink without getting drunk enough that you can get taken advantage of as well, no need to get wasted just because you want to have a nice night out[/quote] some people like to get wasted and it's their decision if they want to. there's nothing wrong with that. you are literally telling rape victims "shouldn't have gotten drunk and made a decision you regret" fuck off you're a terrible human being.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42340353]And that means the drunk person is at fault how again? You are allowed to get as drunk as you damn please, as long as you aren't causing trouble (fighting, breaking stuff, vomiting everywhere), people shouldn't care. If someone takes advantage of a drunk person, they made the choice to take advantage of someone who is clearly unfit to make decisions, they are to blame.[/QUOTE] by willingly getting themselves into a state where they can be taken advantage of? that's like tying yourself up and being shocked that people stole your wallet, maybe you should've thought of that before you tied yourself up! getting drunk usually just leads to lots of regrets anyways, like saying dumb shit that ruins relationships or breaking things, why not just try drinking alcohol responsibly anyone stupid enough to get themselves smashed and end up regretting it should rethink their lives [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42340384]and? that doesn't diminish the fact that SOMEONE ELSE is consciously deciding to take advantage of someone who is drunk. and you act like it's the person fault for drinking? congratulations, you're perpetuating rape culture. some people like to get wasted and it's their decision if they want to. there's nothing wrong with that. you are literally telling rape victims "shouldn't have gotten drunk and made a decision you regret" fuck off you're a terrible human being.[/QUOTE] but they shouldn't have gotten drunk if they weren't willing to deal with the risks that come with it? especially not in a place where they can be taken advantage of? it's commonsense, "when drunk i can't control what i do, maybe i should drink somewhere that will minimize any harm that comes to me", try drinking at home or with friends of the same sex

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42340364]Also the song is fucking terrible. But that's not why a lot of people are fine with it being banned, more because of the message it spreads (and thanks to it being "popular", it would spread a lot). [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] Now that is straw graspy. While you could probably interpret it as that, that isn't implied at all in the song (plus with how obscene the video is, I'm pretty sure he'd have just said fuck).[/QUOTE] With how obscene the song is, how else are you going to interpret something that rhymes with hug me? I highly doubt it was "bug me", I mean. [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] Just thought actually, it could've been "Drug me", given how creepy the song is, but that doesn't make sense. Either way, The song is a bit creepy, but I don't think it should be banned...

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340395]by willingly getting themselves into a state where they can be taken advantage of? that's like tying yourself up and being shocked that people stole your wallet, maybe you should've thought of that before you tied yourself up! getting drunk usually just leads to lots of regrets anyways, like saying dumb shit that ruins relationships or breaking things, why not just try drinking alcohol responsibly anyone stupid enough to get themselves smashed and end up regretting it should rethink their lives[/QUOTE] If I tied myself to a pole, and someone stole my shit, it still wouldn't be my fault. After all, [B]they[/B] stole my shit, I didn't give it to them, I didn't allow it, they just stole it. Being in a state where your decision making ability is legally void does not mean you should be blamed for things happening [B]to[/B] you, merely things that happen [B]because[/B] of you. Getting taken advantage of? That's happening [B]to[/B] you, so you are the victim, you should not be blamed for it. I think you might be to ~straight edge 4 lyf~ to actually have a reasonable understanding of why people like to drink stupid amounts (hint: being drunk, like, stupidly so, is actually pretty fun sometimes). [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Deiru;42340396]With how obscene the song is, how else are you going to interpret something that rhymes with hug me? I highly doubt it was "bug me", I mean. [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] Just thought actually, it could've been "Drug me", given how creepy the song is, but that doesn't make sense. Either way, The song is a bit creepy, but I don't think it should be banned...[/QUOTE] There's a lot of creepy things that particular line could be if he "misheard" to be honest. And again, the song isn't banned, it just won't be played on university equipment. You're free to listen to that as much as you want, you just won't be allowed to blast it full volume in certain areas of campus.

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340395]but they shouldn't have gotten drunk if they weren't willing to deal with the risks that come with it? especially not in a place where they can be taken advantage of? it's commonsense, "when drunk i can't control what i do, maybe i should drink somewhere that will minimize any harm that comes to me", try drinking at home or with friends of the same sex[/QUOTE] i'm having a really hard time understanding why you're blaming the rape victim and not the rapist. go home everybody, PSI Guy has the answer. don't drink and there'll be no more rapists.

Willingly putting yourself in that position is pretty stupid though! If you're going to get drunk and make an ass of yourself you should probably make plans beforehand to minimize the risk of anything stupid happening. Why not, for instance, drink at a friend's house, where you know the people there won't do anything dickish while you're drunk? And I've already said I despise alcohol earlier on in the topic, so I guess I am pretty ~str8 edge 4 lyf~. I have my own reasons for hating alcohol. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42340483]i'm having a really hard time understanding why you're blaming the rape victim and not the rapist. go home everybody, PSI Guy has the answer. don't drink and there'll be no more rapists.[/QUOTE] except my answer is to the question "how do people prevent themselves from doing dumb things while drunk", the answer to which is "not getting drunk"

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340498] except my answer is to the question "how do people prevent themselves from doing dumb things while drunk", the answer to which is "not getting drunk"[/QUOTE] nobody asked that question. good job crafting your own imaginary argument. what dumb thing did they do while drunk? they got raped? yeah rofl what a dumb slut.

That's it folks, you heard it here first! No more drunken shenanigans outside of your own house unless you want to be raped! After all, it is your fault for leaving your house! Am I allowed to blame for for being mugged, I mean, after all, you did leave your house, putting yourself at risk there. What about if your house gets broken into while you're out (being mugged), you shouldn't have left your house, empty houses are great to break into!

the dumb thing IS getting drunk (especially in a place with a lot of strangers around, and apparently nobody you know who can prevent you from doing something stupid, getting drunk by yourself with strangers is hardly smart) , nobody asked whatever question you supposed I was answering either [QUOTE=hexpunK;42340538]That's it folks, you heard it here first! No more drunken shenanigans outside of your own house unless you want to be raped! After all, it is your fault for leaving your house! Am I allowed to blame for for being mugged, I mean, after all, you did leave your house, putting yourself at risk there. What about if your house gets broken into while you're out (being mugged), you shouldn't have left your house, empty houses are great to break into![/QUOTE] there's a difference between getting drunk in your home and being outside of your home, though? my point had nothing to do with staying in homes to avoid trouble, it had everything to do with if you're willingly incapacitating yourself by getting drunk, maybe you should try organize a few things while you're not drunk to minimize the chances of anything bad happening (such as being taken advantage of by a stranger) good job strawmanning there buddy

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340552]the dumb thing IS getting drunk (especially in a place with a lot of strangers around, and apparently nobody you know who can prevent you from doing something stupid, getting drunk by yourself with strangers is hardly smart) , nobody asked whatever question you supposed I was answering either[/QUOTE] You're still blaming the victims of something here. Again, what is wrong with people drinking themselves silly? It's their body to alcohol the shit out of, and it is fairly fun to be drunk (especially on nights out, fuck being sober in clubs, christ). So, why should they take some of the blame for things happening to them just because they were doing something fun that doesn't actually affect others or their property until the drunk person decides to break stuff? The perpetrator is still the one purposefully going after people who aren't quite in a fit state of mind, they are actively seeking out and abusing the trust of drunks, it's only because of their actions that whatever happens, happens.

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340552]the dumb thing IS getting drunk (especially in a place with a lot of strangers around, and apparently nobody you know who can prevent you from doing something stupid, getting drunk by yourself with strangers is hardly smart) , nobody asked whatever question you supposed I was answering either[/QUOTE] there's nothing dumb about getting drunk. you know what's a really dumb thing to do? rape somebody. yet all i see is you criticizing the choices of rape victims and not rapists. this is rape culture. you are the problem. you are the reason so many rapes go unreported. you are the reason judges lessen a rapist's sentence because "she dressed provocatively." you are the reason people suffer in silence because they're afraid to even tell people they've been a victim. all because our society is filled with callous fucks like you without an ounce of sympathy who will tell a rape victim to their face "IF YOU DIDN'T DRINK THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WHY DID YOU MAKE SUCH A STUPID DECISION." i hope you can live with yourself.

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42340552]there's a difference between getting drunk in your home and being outside of your home, though? my point had nothing to do with staying in homes to avoid trouble, it had everything to do with if you're willingly incapacitating yourself by getting drunk, maybe you should try organize a few things while you're not drunk to minimize the chances of anything bad happening (such as being taken advantage of by a stranger) good job strawmanning there buddy[/QUOTE] Your "point" is still not great. Your "point" could easily be construed into what I posted, you are taking a risk by getting drunk, you are taking a risk by going outside. Anything that happens to you in those states is not actually your fault, but whoever commits the acts. Your point was vague enough for me to easily twist it to that. Most people do have some things in place to avoid being taken advantage of when drunk, but that doesn't mean they always work. Especially when we get into actually leaving the house, where people can vanish into crowds easily so friends watching friends becomes harder.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42340616]there's nothing dumb about getting drunk. you know what's a really dumb thing to do? rape somebody. yet all i see is you criticizing the choices of rape victims and not rapists. this is rape culture. you are the problem. you are the reason so many rapes go unreported. you are the reason judges lessen a rapist's sentence because "she dressed provocatively." you are the reason people suffer in silence because they're afraid to even tell people they've been a victim. all because our society is filled with callous fucks like you without an ounce of sympathy who will tell a rape victim to their face "IF YOU DIDN'T DRINK THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WHY DID YOU MAKE SUCH A STUPID DECISION." i hope you can live with yourself.[/QUOTE] Calm the fuck down, you're exaggerating holy shit Get drunk all you want but don't get drunk around strangers and people who you don't trust, waste yourself with your friends, same way you can avoid getting robbed by not going to shitty places, take the peaceful street, why are you even there if you don't know these people and what they can do? It's prevention, not blaming the victim, what the fuck, stop throwing those words around Edit: And yes, of course it's not always the way, but ffs at least you take more care of yourself

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42340671]Calm the fuck down, you're exaggerating holy shit Get drunk all you want but don't get drunk around strangers and people who you don't trust, waste yourself with your friends, same way you can avoid getting robbed by not going to shitty places, take the peaceful street, why are you even there if you don't know these people and what they can do? It's prevention, not blaming the victim, what the fuck, stop throwing those words around Edit: And yes, of course it's not always the way, but ffs at least you take more care of yourself[/QUOTE] exaggerating? go look at the fucking rape statistics. take a look around you and see how many people dismiss rape victims as liars or idiots who made dumb decisions. when a society has an opinion like PSI Guy's ("don't get drunk if you don't wanna get raped") it leads to an increase in rapes, less support for rape victims and less reporting and jailing of actual rapists. it's rape culture. his attitude is literally the reason so many people become victims and nothing is done about it. i have every right to be pissed off.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42340671]Calm the fuck down, you're exaggerating holy shit Get drunk all you want but don't get drunk around strangers and people who you don't trust, waste yourself with your friends, same way you can avoid getting robbed by not going to shitty places, take the peaceful street, why are you even there if you don't know these people and what they can do? It's prevention, not blaming the victim, what the fuck, stop throwing those words around Edit: And yes, of course it's not always the way, but ffs at least you take more care of yourself[/QUOTE] Telling someone who was mugged "oh you shouldn't have gone down that street!", is blaming them for going down that street and putting themselves in a place to be mugged. Yeah not going down there is prevention, but if you really wanted to prevent everything awful from happening you'd live in a damn bubble.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42340671]Calm the fuck down, you're exaggerating holy shit Get drunk all you want but don't get drunk around strangers and people who you don't trust, waste yourself with your friends, same way you can avoid getting robbed by not going to shitty places, take the peaceful street, why are you even there if you don't know these people and what they can do? It's prevention, not blaming the victim, what the fuck, stop throwing those words around Edit: And yes, of course it's not always the way, but ffs at least you take more care of yourself[/QUOTE] when's the last time you heard someone seriously tell a mugging victim "shouldn't have gone down that street dumbass"? compare it to the last time someone told a rape victim "shouldn't have gotten drunk" (THIS THREAD) rape is the only crime people seem to have no problem holding the victim accountable for and it's fucking sickening.

one thing that would really decrease rape would be if creepy pricks stopped trying to fuck drunk chicks, and if this was condemned by everyone rather than people wasting time condemning chicks for drinking

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42340751]when's the last time you heard someone seriously tell a mugging victim "shouldn't have gone down that street dumbass"? compare it to the last time someone told a rape victim "shouldn't have gotten drunk" (THIS THREAD) rape is the only crime people seem to have no problem holding the victim accountable for and it's fucking sickening.[/QUOTE] You're right but you can't refuse to take care of yourself in clear situations when something might happen, that's what I'm saying(for example, "oh look a guy robbing a bank, I should go in", something like that). But yes, you're entirely correct, no one should be blamed for the crime they were victimized of, nor should they be ignored. If you thought I wanted to blame the victim, then I should have chosen my words more carefully, I apologise, this is SH after all.