• CPAC: Conservatives fear generational shift to the left, call Millennials "spoiled"
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[QUOTE=code_gs;51885909]The ad hominem really isn't necessary -- he's been civil the entire time.[/QUOTE] It's not an ad hominem. It's an insight into why he holds the views he does.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51885919]It showcases his lack of perspective even more. He is truly from an alternate reality.[/QUOTE] 2016 shattered my perception of reality, anything goes now, nothing is sacred. :speechless:
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51885894]This explains so muchq[/QUOTE] I forgot about that rofl On topic though, babies are not the only component of a "family". My parents are aging and my grandmother is already in her 70s, my sister has an 11 month old baby she can't always fully provide for even with a full time job so I have to help out where I can. I have to care for them sometimes with a part-time job that pays $10/hr with less than 15 hours a week while I rack up loans going to school to get a degree to get a [I]better[/I] job all while dealing with a physical disability and mental illness so hey I guess I just won the shit lottery ! This bootstrap shit is annoying and ultimately ridiculous. Just because one person can "do the work and earn 6 figures" doesn't mean everyone can. Not everything is so cut and dry. Very silly how many people lack perspective in this regard.
[QUOTE=J Paul;51882211]conservatism is inherently evil because it is basically the idea that regulation is bad because we should allow the wealthy to shit on us, because we should all hope to at some point be wealthy enough to shit on common people in an unregulated way so not only inherently evil, but also pretty stupid, being that it's impossible for everyone to be wealthy and that deregulation often times leads to even more wealth disparity and a complete lack of the upward mobility required to allow a common person to be elevated to the point where they might could shit on a few people.[/QUOTE] well I wouldn't call it evil, I'd call it wrong. Some people (John Major in the UK for example or Flash marsh from this forum) genuinely believe its the in the best interest for everyone - those guys certainly aren't evil maybe just a lil overly optimistic. edit: Just read the rest of the thread. Dayum. "just stop being poor! GOD!"
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51885901]This is why I love leftists. You guys just gave me a civic boner.[/QUOTE] Just honest patriots paying their dues. Why is it that Conservatives always want to expand the military, socialize their economic losses (but privatize their profits), and enforce civil rights bans, but then they never want to pay for it? At least Leftists understand they have to pay their taxes to fund the Government services they desire, like National Healthcare.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51882511]given how shallow american nationalism is, it makes sense that they would seek to elevate the founders of the country into semi-deities who were paragons of virtue to hold the brittle nation together. like lincoln wasn't some superman, he was clinically depressed and spent much of his life battling suicidal thoughts. george washington was an incompetent general and politician. the rest of americas politicians have spent just as much time fighting one another, fucking mistresses behind their wives backs, being hypocrites, and starting unjust wars and committing atrocities much like history elsewhere.[/QUOTE] to be fair, take a trip out to the actual washington's house , mt vernon and you'll get a whole different picture, his house is really humble and all his side businesses are pretty amazing
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51885854]Someone who abuses the welfare system for money. Stop deflecting or willfully misinterpreting arguments.[/QUOTE] Okay well see here bud, the reason I asked is because for a long time welfare queen has basically meant a woman who gets their welfare money through fraud or manipulation. Donald Trump hasn't committed fraud. And going by your definition, "abuse" could also mean through fraud. So no, they aren't the same and can't be justified to be the same. [QUOTE=Kyle902;51885894]This explains so muchq[/QUOTE] So let's attack what I've said in the past instead of debating what's happening in this thread. You're acting pathetic and childish dude can't you see that? Try to be more civil. [editline]28th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;51886108]I forgot about that rofl On topic though, babies are not the only component of a "family". My parents are aging and my grandmother is already in her 70s, my sister has an 11 month old baby she can't always fully provide for even with a full time job so I have to help out where I can. I have to care for them sometimes with a part-time job that pays $10/hr with less than 15 hours a week while I rack up loans going to school to get a degree to get a [I]better[/I] job all while dealing with a physical disability and mental illness so hey I guess I just won the shit lottery ! This bootstrap shit is annoying and ultimately ridiculous. Just because one person can "do the work and earn 6 figures" doesn't mean everyone can. Not everything is so cut and dry. Very silly how many people lack perspective in this regard.[/QUOTE] I would try to find a job that while may pay slightly less, will give reimbursements for your schooling. Having to take care of your parents and grandparents at a young age is really a burden and I feel bad,and hey I'm not trying to blame them but you have to ask, [b]why?[/b] Your grandmother should be getting social security, right? And yes I understand that doesn't pay for everything, but it sounds to me she wasn't great with money when she was growing up and now [b]you[/b] have to pick up the slack? I'm sorry but fuck that. This is my opinion but you're young. She's old. She messed up. You don't have to, drop her. It's harsh but I think if you don't you may just end up like her. Why can't your sister take care of her 11 month baby with a full time job? I don't want to jump to conclusions here so I would like to know your reason.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890358]Okay well see here bud, the reason I asked is because for a long time welfare queen has basically meant a woman who gets their welfare money through fraud or manipulation. Donald Trump hasn't committed fraud. And going by your definition, "abuse" could also mean through fraud. So no, they aren't the same and can't be justified to be the same.[/QUOTE] So are you going to answer his point or just answer your own argument...? He has, matter of factly, literally, in no way shape or form can this not be seen as "abused" the tax situation. He may have done so in a way you consider smart, but he has, by every literal definition of it, abused it. He has taken advantage of it in every way possible, he has, like most companies his size, abused it. Also, though I attribute said tax dodging to "Trump" it is actually, in and of it's entirety, his tax attorney, tax accountant, and tax lawyer who have set him up in such a "Smart" position. [QUOTE]So let's attack what I've said in the past instead of debating what's happening in this thread. You're acting pathetic and childish dude can't you see that? Try to be more civil. [/QUOTE] For someone who ranted so "childishly" in that instance, it's kinda rich. But yes, lets move on. [QUOTE]I would try to find a job that while may pay slightly less, will give reimbursements for your schooling. Having to take care of your parents and grandparents at a young age is really a burden and I feel bad,and hey I'm not trying to blame them but you have to ask, [b]why?[/b][/QUOTE] Yes, we should ask why. Not assume "Why" as you do below. Nothing you say is anything but blatant posturing and assumption. [QUOTE]Your grandmother should be getting social security, right? And yes I understand that doesn't pay for everything, but it sounds to me she wasn't great with money when she was growing up and now [b]you[/b] have to pick up the slack? I'm sorry but fuck that. This is my opinion but you're young. She's old. She messed up. You don't have to, drop her. It's harsh but I think if you don't you may just end up like her. [/QUOTE] You would be a terrible person to have in your family. Earlier you said [QUOTE]generally this is where family comes in. It does suck but its well worth it.[/QUOTE] So which is it? How do you justify any of your mindset? [QUOTE]Why can't your sister take care of her 11 month baby with a full time job? I don't want to jump to conclusions here so I would like to know your reason.[/QUOTE] Wow. So, earlier when people spoke about privledge, and not knowing what yours is, this right here? This is prime. Do you have any [B]concept[/B] of how much work a child is to raise with a full time job? Even with two parents, that's a very strenuous situation, so I ask you, how much are you really assuming right now?
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890358]Okay well see here bud, the reason I asked is because for a long time welfare queen has basically meant a woman who gets their welfare money through fraud or manipulation. Donald Trump hasn't committed fraud. And going by your definition, "abuse" could also mean through fraud. So no, they aren't the same and can't be justified to be the same. [/quote] and now heres the part where you intentionally be obtuse as you cannot support your argument. Its fairly obvious I was referring to the abuse of loopholes within the system, hence "abusing" the system as opposed to disregarding it. Both welfare queens and Donald Trump abuse the system to exempt themselves from certain expenses, thus support in favor of one is explicitly support for the other. [quote] So let's attack what I've said in the past instead of debating what's happening in this thread. [/quote] the quote I posted highlights the severe lack of perspective you seem to suffer from. [quote]You're acting pathetic and childish dude can't you see that? Try to be more civil.[/quote] Quote the post where I was uncivil, please. Your entire argument hinges on three clearly wrong assumptions. 1. That the job market is open everywhere 2. That racial discrimination in the job market does not exist. 3. That you should just show a severe lack of empathy to those who get in your way, as evidenced by this quote [quote] Your grandmother should be getting social security, right? And yes I understand that doesn't pay for everything, but it sounds to me she wasn't great with money when she was growing up and now you have to pick up the slack? I'm sorry but fuck that. This is my opinion but you're young. She's old. She messed up. You don't have to, drop her. It's harsh but I think if[/quote] Furthermore you fail to factor in such basic things as cost of living being different in different areas, preexisting conditions that may result in a large medical bill, taking care of children with disabilities, the difficulty of moving once you're established in a community (People don't like to move, and not everyone can move on a whim to where the job market is less terrible), discrimination, and a myriad of other issues that cause poverty. You aren't the economic messiah who just solved poverty, if it was this simple then poverty would not exist. Educate yourself.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890358]Donald Trump hasn't committed fraud.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-enduring-scandal-of-trump-university]About that[/url]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51890537][url=http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-enduring-scandal-of-trump-university]About that[/url][/QUOTE] Sorry I forgot I have to clarify literally everything, specifically his taxes. [QUOTE=Kyle902;51890531]and now heres the part where you intentionally be obtuse as you cannot support your argument. Its fairly obvious I was referring to the abuse of loopholes within the system, hence "abusing" the system as opposed to disregarding it. Both welfare queens and Donald Trump abuse the system to exempt themselves from certain expenses, thus support in favor of one is explicitly support for the other. the quote I posted highlights the severe lack of perspective you seem to suffer from. Quote the post where I was uncivil, please. Your entire argument hinges on three clearly wrong assumptions. 1. That the job market is open everywhere 2. That racial discrimination in the job market does not exist. 3. That you should just show a severe lack of empathy to those who get in your way, as evidenced by this quote Furthermore you fail to factor in such basic things as cost of living being different in different areas, preexisting conditions that may result in a large medical bill, taking care of children with disabilities, the difficulty of moving once you're established in a community (People don't like to move, and not everyone can move on a whim to where the job market is less terrible), discrimination, and a myriad of other issues that cause poverty. You aren't the economic messiah who just solved poverty, if it was this simple then poverty would not exist. Educate yourself.[/QUOTE] It's not in support. One is not paying taxes legally one is taking taxes away from hard working people so they do not have to work. Attacking my posts from other threads and then saying "This expains so muchq" is uncivil and is only trying to discredit me. 1.) The job market is "open" in a sense everywhere. Whether that's in person or online, there are jobs. 2.) When did I imply racial discrimination didn't exist dude? 3.) Empathy really doesn't have a place when you're trying to make a living. Give back to the world/your family when you make your money, not when you don't have it. If your going through financial troubles and your family can help keep you on your feet, they totally should. But to not only drag down yourself + them is maybe where you should empathize that YOU will fuck their life up too. All of the things you mentioned in the last quote are like 5 entire separate threads worth.. so I will just keep it simple. I factor all of these in, but to have a young adult who's barely scraping by himself having to pay for his entire family is fucked up and will only go to hurt himself until he's in the same position. Poverty on poverty on poverty. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51890522]So are you going to answer his point or just answer your own argument...? He has, matter of factly, literally, in no way shape or form can this not be seen as "abused" the tax situation. He may have done so in a way you consider smart, but he has, by every literal definition of it, abused it. He has taken advantage of it in every way possible, he has, like most companies his size, abused it. Also, though I attribute said tax dodging to "Trump" it is actually, in and of it's entirety, his tax attorney, tax accountant, and tax lawyer who have set him up in such a "Smart" position. For someone who ranted so "childishly" in that instance, it's kinda rich. But yes, lets move on. Yes, we should ask why. Not assume "Why" as you do below. Nothing you say is anything but blatant posturing and assumption. You would be a terrible person to have in your family. Earlier you said So which is it? How do you justify any of your mindset? Wow. So, earlier when people spoke about privledge, and not knowing what yours is, this right here? This is prime. Do you have any [B]concept[/B] of how much work a child is to raise with a full time job? Even with two parents, that's a very strenuous situation, so I ask you, how much are you really assuming right now?[/QUOTE] Earlier in the thread I mentioned having savings built up before starting a family. If you don't and you end up in the gutter it's on you. I will stand by that. [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51890514]Quoting this to probably be used in a future thread to discredit everything you say, as if previous posts aren't enough.[/QUOTE] AKA so when you're running out of counter-arguments pull this.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890717]Sorry I forgot I have to clarify literally everything, specifically his taxes. It's not in support. One is not paying taxes legally one is taking taxes away from hard working people so they do not have to work. [/QUOTE] You are deliberately misinterpreting my post now. Let me put it in the simplest terms possible for you Trump uses legal loopholes to get out of taxes Welfare Queens use legal loophole to get out of taxes Your misunderstandings of my post either show you lack the reading comprehension of the average adult or that you are willfully misinterpreting my posts. [quote] Attacking my posts from other threads and then saying "This expains so muchq" is uncivil and is only trying to discredit me.[/quote] I posted that quote because it shows that you're completely out of touch with people. It highlights the fact that you lack the perspective to understand the things you are discussing. [quote] 1.) The job market is "open" in a sense everywhere. Whether that's in person or online, there are jobs.[/quote] So you can prove that this is the case throughout the US then? You can back this up with statistics? You need to cite this or your argument completely falls apart. [quote] 2.) When did I imply racial discrimination didn't exist dude?[/quote] You imply it by insinuating that the only reason for poverty is stupidity. [quote] 3.) Empathy really doesn't have a place when you're trying to make a living. Give back to the world/your family when you make your money, not when you don't have it. If your going through financial troubles and your family can help keep you on your feet, they totally should. But to not only drag down yourself + them is maybe where you should empathize that YOU will fuck their life up too. [/quote] You clearly lack empathy, as evidenced by the quote from the other thread, and as evidenced by your repeated inability to understand what leads to poverty. Also evidenced by your clear insinuation that you must put yourself before others in all situations. [quote] All of the things you mentioned in the last quote are like 5 entire separate threads worth.. so I will just keep it simple. I factor all of these in,[/quote] How have you factored these things in? [quote] but to have a young adult who's barely scraping by himself having to pay for his entire family is fucked up and will only go to hurt himself until he's in the same position. Poverty on poverty on poverty.[/quote] So you're saying that you would no try your hardest to protect your family from poverty if it meant that it might bring you some short term economic uncertainty? I find your incredible lack of empathy to be appalling tbh. [editline]28th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890717] AKA so when you're running out of counter-arguments pull this.[/QUOTE] The quote shows that you lack the knowledge to be debating this topic and many other topics.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890358] I would try to find a job that while may pay slightly less, will give reimbursements for your schooling. Having to take care of your parents and grandparents at a young age is really a burden and I feel bad,and hey I'm not trying to blame them but you have to ask, [B]why?[/B] Your grandmother should be getting social security, right? And yes I understand that doesn't pay for everything, but it sounds to me she wasn't great with money when she was growing up and now [B]you[/B] have to pick up the slack? I'm sorry but fuck that. This is my opinion but you're young. She's old. She messed up. You don't have to, drop her. It's harsh but I think if you don't you may just end up like her. Why can't your sister take care of her 11 month baby with a full time job? I don't want to jump to conclusions here so I would like to know your reason.[/QUOTE] Been looking for another job for months that provides adequate scheduling to fit AROUND my studio classes (of which I have two, both which require 10+ hours of outside work in addition to classwork) but nothing provides the flexibility of the job I have now and nothing I have ever found provides reimbursements for schooling either. My grandmother does get social security but is currently working to pay off loans taken out to pay for the funerals of her two brothers who passed away within a few months of each other. Her sisters can't afford to pay for funeral costs alone and her social security does not cover these expenses. She is in debt because of this. My grandmother did not make bad choices, in fact, she was debt free before both of her brothers passed away. It was an unfortunate, uncontrollable circumstance that neither she nor I am to blame for it, but because she is [I]family[/I], I have a desire to help where I can. Is it a burden? Yes. But I do it anyway because I'm not going to let my aged grandmother sink into debt without a job to turn back to. My sister does not make enough money to afford everything this child needs including a lot of unforeseen medical expenses because of illnesses she had from ages 4 to 8 months. Which resulted in loans being taken out to afford medication and treatment. So she's still paying off these loans along with her car payment and her own medical bills so it sort of adds up. I help because, again, she is family. I'm not obligated to take care of my family but it's something that I do because they've taken care of me for the last 18+ years. Only makes sense to return the favor where I can. But even so, not everyone is so lucky to have the option. It's not easy to just say "fuck them, they got themselves in that situation" if you have any shred of attachment or loyalty to the people who have cared for you in the past. I'm glad you can detach so skillfully to make 6 figures and not have to worry about anyone else but your priorities and mine are exceedingly different.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51890794]You are deliberately misinterpreting my post now. Let me put it in the simplest terms possible for you Trump uses legal loopholes to get out of taxes Welfare Queens use legal loophole to get out of taxes Your misunderstandings of my post either show you lack the reading comprehension of the average adult or that you are willfully misinterpreting my posts. I posted that quote because it shows that you're completely out of touch with people. It highlights the fact that you lack the perspective to understand the things you are discussing. So you can prove that this is the case throughout the US then? You can back this up with statistics? You need to cite this or your argument completely falls apart. You imply it by insinuating that the only reason for poverty is stupidity. You clearly lack empathy, as evidenced by the quote from the other thread, and as evidenced by your repeated inability to understand what leads to poverty. Also evidenced by your clear insinuation that you must put yourself before others in all situations. How have you factored these things in? So you're saying that you would no try your hardest to protect your family from poverty if it meant that it might bring you some short term economic uncertainty? I find your incredible lack of empathy to be appalling tbh. [editline]28th February 2017[/editline] The quote shows that you lack the knowledge to be debating this topic and many other topics.[/QUOTE] Alright well I guess I'm having trouble getting what you're saying then since you're sure these "welfare queens" are using legal methods. What loophole are they using? I'm not going to bring the bullying topic in here besides the fact that bullying != economic situations, it's funny how you can even try to justify that. I won't provide a source and you can eat me alive for that, but it only takes a little common sense to realize there are jobs, it's just many people think those jobs are below them. There's diverse jobs online that you can do, and they don't even have to be in your state (or hint: country) I would try to protect my family from poverty obviously, what are you trying to get at? Read: If youre already struggling there's no point in using all your funds to go towards family as you will probably just fuck up your own life. What if you need that money to pay for your apartment/mortgage? You're boned. What about having a family? Would you have your wife/kids be shit out of luck? I understand in many faces I'm considered a piece of shit - but I'm the realist here. I will not be the one to fail, and if you think having 2 families be in the dumps is better than 1 then by all means continue with your ways bro. [editline]28th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;51890821]Been looking for another job for months that provides adequate scheduling to fit AROUND my studio classes (of which I have two, both which require 10+ hours of outside work in addition to classwork) but nothing provides the flexibility of the job I have now and nothing I have ever found provides reimbursements for schooling either. My grandmother does get social security but is currently working to pay off loans taken out to pay for the funerals of her two brothers who passed away within a few months of each other. Her sisters can't afford to pay for funeral costs alone and her social security does not cover these expenses. She is in debt because of this. My grandmother did not make bad choices, in fact, she was debt free before both of her brothers passed away. It was an unfortunate, uncontrollable circumstance that neither she nor I am to blame for it, but because she is [I]family[/I], I have a desire to help where I can. Is it a burden? Yes. But I do it anyway because I'm not going to let my aged grandmother sink into debt without a job to turn back to. My sister does not make enough money to afford everything this child needs including a lot of unforeseen medical expenses because of illnesses she had from ages 4 to 8 months. Which resulted in loans being taken out to afford medication and treatment. So she's still paying off these loans along with her car payment and her own medical bills so it sort of adds up. I help because, again, she is family. I'm not obligated to take care of my family but it's something that I do because they've taken care of me for the last 18+ years. Only makes sense to return the favor where I can. But even so, not everyone is so lucky to have the option. It's not easy to just say "fuck them, they got themselves in that situation" if you have any shred of attachment or loyalty to the people who have cared for you in the past. I'm glad you can detach so skillfully to make 6 figures and not have to worry about anyone else but your priorities and mine are exceedingly different.[/QUOTE] You're right. These are terrible circumstances for all. All I'm saying is you don't also have to end up in the dumps, unless you're sure this won't come back to bite you in the ass and that's really what you want to do then so be it. I won't stop you.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890934]Alright well I guess I'm having trouble getting what you're saying then since you're sure these "welfare queens" are using legal methods. What loophole are they using? [/quote] Having kids to get the benefits that they'll get off of them. [quote] I'm not going to bring the bullying topic in here besides the fact that bullying != economic situations, it's funny how you can even try to justify that.[/quote] I'm pointing out your severe lack of empathy and perspective on pretty much anything. The fact that you think I said that bullying directly correlates to economic situations indicates that you have some pretty bad reading comprehension [quote] I won't provide a source and you can eat me alive for that, but it only takes a little common sense to realize there are jobs, it's just many people think those jobs are below them. There's diverse jobs online that you can do, and they don't even have to be in your state (or hint: country)[/quote] So in other words you can't actually support your argument. [B][U]I must reiterate since you continually snip it out of my post, if poverty was this simple to avoid and jobs this available then we would not have poverty[/U][/B] [quote] I would try to protect my family from poverty obviously, what are you trying to get at? Read: If youre already struggling there's no point in using all your funds to go towards family as you will probably just fuck up your own life. What if you need that money to pay for your apartment/mortgage? You're boned. What about having a family? Would you have your wife/kids be shit out of luck?[/quote] From what you've insinuated you'd cut your family out of your life for mere inconvenience. This is directly correlated to your own apparent lack of empathy. [quote] I understand in many faces I'm considered a piece of shit - but I'm the realist here. I will not be the one to fail, and if you think having 2 families be in the dumps is better than 1 then by all means continue with your ways bro.[/quote] I've actually never said any of that. I'm simply pointing out that you have a very childish and uninformed view of poverty.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51890982]Having kids to get the benefits that they'll get off of them. I'm pointing out your severe lack of empathy and perspective on pretty much anything. The fact that you think I said that bullying directly correlates to economic situations indicates that you have some pretty bad reading comprehension So in other words you can't actually support your argument. [B][U]I must reiterate since you continually snip it out of my post, if poverty was this simple to avoid and jobs this available then we would not have poverty[/U][/B] From what you've insinuated you'd cut your family out of your life for mere inconvenience. This is directly correlated to your own apparent lack of empathy. I've actually never said any of that. I'm simply pointing out that you have a very childish and uninformed view of poverty.[/QUOTE] I think I saw somewhere that the pros of just having kids to get benefits do not outweigh the cons - so if they want to do good for them I suppose. I can't empathize with people that don't look for opportunities. I don't snip any quotes everything you've posted is what I quoted. Regardless, I disagree to a point. Some people poverty is a real thing that they can't control, but I still believe it can be worked out of. I believe in my sincere opinion that majority of people in poverty make dumb economic decisions through and through. For those people, I have no sympathy. And by that it's generally frivolous spending, not saving up, starting a family too young.. I come from a upper middle class family, but I choose to look "poor." I don't buy $300 shoes, I buy cheap $30-$60 ones and keep them until the soles start to come off, and even then I try to repair with shoe glue. I generally buy my outfits from places like Goodwill. You know what I've noticed? People with less income tend to buy the most expensive shit to flaunt wealth they do not have. There's people near me that live in trailer parks and in school they would have $150 Jordans. These people would have different shoes for every outfit they owned. That kind of stupidity is what I don't empathize with. They're doing it to themselves.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51891180]I think I saw somewhere that the pros of just having kids to get benefits do not outweigh the cons - so if they want to do good for them I suppose. [/QUOTE] I'd love for you to source this [quote] I can't empathize with people that don't look for opportunities. [/quote] You cant even prove those opportunities exist in the first place. The basis for your entire argument is flawed until you can provide sources. [quote] Regardless, I disagree to a point. Some people poverty is a real thing that they can't control, but I still believe it can be worked out of.[/quote] You have yet to substantiate this in any way shape or form. If you cannot prove that the employment opportunities exist then you haven't a leg to stand on. [quote]I believe in my sincere opinion that majority of people in poverty make dumb economic decisions through and through. For those people, I have no sympathy. And by that it's generally frivolous spending, not saving up, starting a family too young..[/quote] Have you ever talked to people below the poverty line? Your lack of any understanding in this situation is horrendous. [quote] I come from a upper middle class family, but I choose to look "poor."[/quote] Are you being for real? [quote] I don't buy $300 shoes, I buy cheap $30-$60 ones and keep them until the soles start to come off, and even then I try to repair with shoe glue.[/quote] People in poverty don't buy $300 dollar shoes? Stop getting your perceptions of reality from movies and shit lol. [quote] I generally buy my outfits from places like Goodwill.[/quote] As do most people at an economic disadvantage???? [quote] You know what I've noticed? People with less income tend to buy the most expensive shit to flaunt wealth they do not have. There's people near me that live in trailer parks and in school they would have $150 Jordans. These people would have different shoes for every outfit they owned.[/quote] I know several people who have had to live on hand me down shoes from older siblings. I know people in poverty who live in rented out rooms with all their family belongings crammed in there with them. I know people who were forced into homelessness by drug addicted parents or the economic crash of 08. I know several LGBT youths who have been forced into poverty by being kicked out of their house and massive medical bills. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen or a mission. Go feed the homeless people. Maybe listen to the stories of how these people ended up in poverty. Maybe then you'll see that your views are incorrect. [quote] That kind of stupidity is what I don't empathize with. They're doing it to themselves.[/quote] You know nothing.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51891220]I'd love for you to source this You cant even prove those opportunities exist in the first place. The basis for your entire argument is flawed until you can provide sources. You have yet to substantiate this in any way shape or form. If you cannot prove that the employment opportunities exist then you haven't a leg to stand on. Have you ever talked to people below the poverty line? Your lack of any understanding in this situation is horrendous. Are you being for real? People in poverty don't buy $300 dollar shoes? Stop getting your perceptions of reality from movies and shit lol. As do most people at an economic disadvantage???? I know several people who have had to live on hand me down shoes from older siblings. I know people in poverty who live in rented out rooms with all their family belongings crammed in there with them. I know people who were forced into homelessness by drug addicted parents or the economic crash of 08. I know several LGBT youths who have been forced into poverty by being kicked out of their house and massive medical bills. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen or a mission. Go feed the homeless people. Maybe listen to the stories of how these people ended up in poverty. Maybe then you'll see that your views are incorrect. You know nothing.[/QUOTE] I can't source that, it was more of a what I remember (which may be correct). I'd love for you to stop being so negative lmao because what I'm saying I see first hand. People in poverty DO buy these $300 dollar shoes as I've seen it first hand. I'm getting my "perceptions of reality" from actual reality. It's real and it's here. And I'm sure most people do that have a economic disadvantage, but these people I'm talking about don't. They are completely beyond help with their economic woes, and I'm sure it's not contained in my little small town. Good for yo ufor knowing people who had to live on hand me downs. I'm not talking about those people. How can you say I know nothing? Your ignorance to people doing this shit to themselves is crazy dude. And yes, I dress "poor" not in the sense to look like I am poor, but because I don't buy new clothes on a whim. I don't buy new shoes on a whim. I wear one pair of shoes with every outfit, I don't have many outfits. I don't try to look good for other people, I wear what works for me.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51890717]Sorry I forgot I have to clarify literally everything, specifically his taxes.[/QUOTE] Why do you have to defend a billionaire?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51891415]Why do you have to defend a billionaire?[/QUOTE] Why do you choose to hate a billionaire? I'm not denying he's done shady shit but you have to applaud his ability to not pay taxes.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51891396]I can't source that, it was more of a what I remember (which may be correct). [/QUOTE] Thats not how debate works. If you can't support your claim then your claim is essentially incorrect. [quote] I'd love for you to stop being so negative lmao because what I'm saying I see first hand. [/quote] How do you experience it first hand? Do you talk to these people? [quote] People in poverty DO buy these $300 dollar shoes as I've seen it first hand. I'm getting my "perceptions of reality" from actual reality. It's real and it's here.[/quote] So is every homeless person and person in poverty wearing these $300 dollar shoes then? [quote] And I'm sure most people do that have a economic disadvantage, but these people I'm talking about don't. They are completely beyond help with their economic woes, and I'm sure it's not contained in my little small town.[/quote] How do you actually know these people are poor by the way. I know people who are pretty stacked that decide to live in trailers because its dirt cheap. [quote] Good for yo ufor knowing people who had to live on hand me downs. I'm not talking about those people.[/quote] But then your argument is completely invalid since you acknowledge that these people exist and that they aren't in their situation due to their own stupidity. Congratulations on defeating your own argument. [quote] How can you say I know nothing? Your ignorance to people doing this shit to themselves is crazy dude.[/quote] I'm the one who actually has spent time volunteering at homeless shelters. I'm the one who's actually talked to people. You are the own who is ignorant at this point. [quote] And yes, I dress "poor" not in the sense to look like I am poor, but because I don't buy new clothes on a whim. I don't buy new shoes on a whim. I wear one pair of shoes with every outfit, I don't have many outfits. I don't try to look good for other people, I wear what works for me.[/quote] So you dress cheap then? Why did you phrase it like that then lmao Furthermore you still have not provided a citation for the job market in the US beingboth universally accessable and universally capable of supporting the population. Your entire argument hinges on that citation.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51891420]Why do you choose to hate a billionaire? I'm not denying he's done shady shit but you have to applaud his ability to not pay taxes.[/QUOTE] I don't hate him because he's a billionaire, I hate him because he's a vile human being.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51891420]Why do you choose to hate a billionaire? I'm not denying he's done shady shit but you have to applaud his ability to not pay taxes.[/QUOTE] Would you applaud a murderer who escaped prison time due to a technicality?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51891457]Thats not how debate works. If you can't support your claim then your claim is essentially incorrect. How do you experience it first hand? Do you talk to these people? So is every homeless person and person in poverty wearing these $300 dollar shoes then? How do you actually know these people are poor by the way. I know people who are pretty stacked that decide to live in trailers because its dirt cheap. But then your argument is completely invalid since you acknowledge that these people exist and that they aren't in their situation due to their own stupidity. Congratulations on defeating your own argument. I'm the one who actually has spent time volunteering at homeless shelters. I'm the one who's actually talked to people. You are the own who is ignorant at this point. So you dress cheap then? Why did you phrase it like that then lmao Furthermore you still have not provided a citation for the job market in the US being universally accessable. Your entire argument hinges on that citation.[/QUOTE] Call it what you want babe. When did I say every homeless person is wearing $300 shoes? You're assuming things dude. They got free lunches at school. I didn't defeat my own argument, it still stands but nice try! Because that's an adequate way of phrasing it I think. Only the most butthurt will get triggered over that. Furthermore I don't need a citation, you're just making more trouble out if then it needs to be. There's the argument that people get into these situations by their own doing, they choose to buy stupid shit, they choose to not save up. They make dumb, irresponsible decisions. The fact that you are ballsy enough to defend those people makes me laugh dude. They deserve whatever comes to them. People like Pascall's grandmother - that is not by their own fault and those are who I feel bad for. I respect that he is helping her out but I still worry that he's going to fuck his own life up in doing so. [editline]1st March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;51891466]Would you applaud a murderer who escaped prison time due to a technicality?[/QUOTE] That's a fallacy I'm not going to answer. Quit baiting dude.
It isn't a fallacy. You're saying abusing a technicality is smart. You therefore think welfare queens and anyone who abuses the system is smart.
We should applaud Al Capone for being a smart businessman.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51891524]It isn't a fallacy. You're saying abusing a technicality is smart. You therefore think welfare queens and anyone who abuses the system is smart.[/QUOTE] I'd say applauding someone and saying a person is smart are two totally different things if a murderer evaded prison time on a technicality, they're still a murderer and an awful person, but it's pretty objective to say that they're smart for doing that in their own interest
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51891507]Call it what you want babe. [/QUOTE] And this is the point where you know you can't defend your point. [quote] When did I say every homeless person is wearing $300 shoes? You're assuming things dude. [/quote] For your argument to work you need to prove that all poverty is due to frivolous spending or stupidity. So you have to prove that everyone in poverty is either wearing metaphorical "300$ shoes" or that they're stupid. Meanwhile all I have to provide is one example to disprove your argument. [quote] They got free lunches at school.[/quote] Remember when free lunch made you not be poor? [quote] I didn't defeat my own argument, it still stands but nice try![/quote] How does it still stand. You can't just say "My argument is right" you have to actually do something called supporting your argument. [quote] Because that's an adequate way of phrasing it I think. Only the most butthurt will get triggered over that. [/quote] The way you phrased it made it sound like you where a hipster lmao, I ain't triggered I'm laughing [quote] Furthermore I don't need a citation, you're just making more trouble out if then it needs to be. There's the argument that people get into these situations by their own doing, they choose to buy stupid shit, they choose to not save up. They make dumb, irresponsible decisions.[/quote] You have to prove your claim that its entirely their fault. You made the claim. You have to prove that these people have access to the same opportunities for success that you had. [quote] The fact that you are ballsy enough to defend those people makes me laugh dude. They deserve whatever comes to them.[/quote] Did you really just fucking say that people in poverty and who are homeless deserve whats coming to them? Are you sick in the head? [quote] People like Pascall's grandmother - that is not by their own fault and those are who I feel bad for. I respect that he is helping her out but I still worry that he's going to fuck his own life up in doing so. [/quote] You cannot simultaneously have the position that people are in poverty because they are stupid and then in the next sentence state the literal opposite. [editline]1st March 2017[/editline] [quote] That's a fallacy I'm not going to answer. Quit baiting dude.[/quote] Please tell me what fallacy I used. When you can't find one then come back and answer the question. [editline]28th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Judas;51891553]I'd say applauding someone and saying a person is smart are two totally different things if a murderer evaded prison time on a technicality, they're still a murderer and an awful person, but it's pretty objective to say that they're smart for doing that in their own interest[/QUOTE] He explicitly used the word applaud in his statement.
My only contribution to this thread, as I can't be bothered to decrypt this idiot's words. [QUOTE=Dickhead] More often than not you will recover though, generally this is where family comes in[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]she wasn't great with money when she was growing up and now you have to pick up the slack?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;51891621]My only contribution to this thread, as I can't be bothered to decrypt this idiot's words.[/QUOTE] Guy's a cunt, just stop entertaining him.
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