CPAC: Conservatives fear generational shift to the left, call Millennials "spoiled"
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[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883460]You read it. With a job in excess of 6 digits per annum in salary (and keep in mind this is a regular old job, not owning a business) which isn't terribly difficult to achieve, $1m sneaks up pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
Uh, I don't think jobs with 6 figures is common in the States. Or any developed country.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883460]You read it. With a job in excess of 6 digits per annum in salary (and keep in mind this is a regular old job, not owning a business), $1m sneaks up pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
Ok, now tell me how many people get a job like this and how many scrape by on minimum wage in two jobs.
What's this I hear? you say there are lots of people who make loads of money again?
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51883464]Uh, I don't think jobs with 6 figures is common in the States. Or any developed country.[/QUOTE]
You must be ignorant to what a 19 year old with a GMod server can accomplish. It isn't hard, people are just lazy.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883468]You must be ignorant to what a 19 year old with a GMod server can accomplish. It isn't hard, people are just lazy.[/QUOTE]
You just went full Republicunt.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883460]You read it. With a job in excess of 6 digits per annum in salary (and keep in mind this is a regular old job, not owning a business) which isn't terribly difficult to achieve, $1m sneaks up pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
Can you get off your armchair, mister economics?
[QUOTE=kilerabv;51883479]Can you get off your armchair, mister economics?[/QUOTE]
No sorry I'm working :v:
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883468]You must be ignorant to what a 19 year old with a GMod server can accomplish. It isn't hard, people are just lazy.[/QUOTE]
Tell me about those bootstraps son, my dad may have been born into privilege, but my grandpa told him to earn his own money instead of relying on cash he saved up. He worked a side job while studying at school and college, worked very hard, and now owns a company making six figures a year here, while still paying his taxes unlike your glorious leader Donald Trump. On top of this, he contributes a chunk of cash to charity too.
This is what being a self made man is about, not getting a small loan from daddy dearest and being so incompetent with it it doesn't even cover the interest money.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883487]No sorry I'm working :v:[/QUOTE]
You get paid to be an armchair economist? Fuck me, where do I get that?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883468]You must be ignorant to what a 19 year old with a GMod server can accomplish. It isn't hard, people are just lazy.[/QUOTE]
No, go on, enlighten me, oh wise and powerful KingofBeast, master of economics.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883468]You must be ignorant to what a 19 year old with a GMod server can accomplish. It isn't hard, people are just lazy.[/QUOTE]
yeah okay I'm sorry us lazy poors can't pull ourselves up by our gmod servers.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883460]You read it. With a job in excess of 6 digits per annum in salary (and keep in mind this is a regular old job, not owning a business) which isn't terribly difficult to achieve, $1m sneaks up pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
A job with 6 digit salary isn't terribly difficult to achieve? Holy shit, we've established contact with a parallel universe.
Either that or you're talking out of your ass.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883468]You must be ignorant to what a 19 year old with a GMod server can accomplish. It isn't hard, people are just lazy.[/QUOTE]
Anyone with a lick of common sense would know your personal anecdotal evidence is not a hell of a lot in the grand scheme of things.
You're all acting like 6 digits is something that's difficult to accomplish, meanwhile I just mentioned running GMod servers, one of the simplest things to do fundamentally, where the top servers are all making [I]at least[/I] $10k a month. [I]Young[/I] people, [I]dropouts[/I], spending a few hours a day if even that coding some shit and cashing out 24 hours a day.
By no means am I a master of economics, but to imply it's hard to make money is a bit.. lazy, and if that makes me a "republicunt" then so be it, but at least I'm not forcing myself to work "two minimum wage jobs" because everything else is just [I]too hard[/I].
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883537]You're all acting like 6 digits is something that's difficult to accomplish, meanwhile I just mentioned running GMod servers, one of the simplest things to do fundamentally, where the top servers are all making [I]at least[/I] $10k a month. [I]Young[/I] people, [I]dropouts[/I], spending a few hours a day if even that coding some shit and cashing out 24 hours a day.
By no means am I a master of economics, but to imply it's hard to make money is a bit.. lazy, and if that makes me a "republicunt" then so be it, but at least I'm not forcing myself to work "two minimum wage jobs" because everything else is just [I]too hard[/I].[/QUOTE]
I think you severely overestimate people's general education and knowledge of computers and underestimate the skills needed to run servers.
EDIT: I find it severely amusing that this is your 666th post, technically. :U
[QUOTE=J Paul;51882211]conservatism is inherently evil because it is basically the idea that regulation is bad because we should allow the wealthy to shit on us, because we should all hope to at some point be wealthy enough to shit on common people in an unregulated way
so not only inherently evil, but also pretty stupid, being that it's impossible for everyone to be wealthy and that deregulation often times leads to even more wealth disparity and a complete lack of the upward mobility required to allow a common person to be elevated to the point where they might could shit on a few people.[/QUOTE]
It's not necessarily that it's evil, it's naive optimism in that it wants you to believe that people who "work hard enough" to make that much money can't possibly be self-centered, self-serving people.
In an ideal world, we wouldn't need regulation because people would realize "Hey, doing this in this way damages the environment/the economy/my employees/my consumers, all of which I rely on, so I should find a better way of doing things", but instead, we live in a world that requires regulation because the attitude is more "who are [I]YOU[/I] to tell [I]ME[/I] how I can and cannot make [I]MY[/I] money?!"
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51883551]I think you severely overestimate people's general education and knowledge of computers and underestimate the skills needed to run servers.
EDIT: I find it severely amusing that this is your 666th post, technically. :U[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm Satan.
And even if so, it's not like any of the things you listed are even remotely difficult to self teach with the proper drive.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883537]You're all acting like 6 digits is something that's difficult to accomplish, meanwhile I just mentioned running GMod servers, one of the simplest things to do fundamentally, where the top servers are all making [I]at least[/I] $10k a month. [I]Young[/I] people, [I]dropouts[/I], spending a few hours a day if even that coding some shit and cashing out 24 hours a day.
By no means am I a master of economics, but to imply it's hard to make money is a bit.. lazy, and if that makes me a "republicunt" then so be it, but at least I'm not forcing myself to work "two minimum wage jobs" because everything else is just [I]too hard[/I].[/QUOTE]
The key word here being top servers, for christ's sake.
How many people do you think end up with these "top servers" among all the supersaturation in the gmod server index? How many, furthermore, do you think will be willing to pay so much as 5 bucks a month to keep it running, unless they feel they're getting their money's worth?
Merely working hard to do something is no fucking guarantee of success as you believe it is. You work hard as well as smart, and sometimes even despite that you can and will fail, with a capital fucking F.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51883561]The key word here being top servers, for christ's sake.
How many people do you think end up with these "top servers" among all the supersaturation in the gmod server index? How many, furthermore, do you think will be willing to pay so much as 5 bucks a month to keep it running, unless they feel they're getting their money's worth?
Merely working hard to do something is no fucking guarantee of success as you believe it is. You work hard as well as smart, and sometimes even despite that you can and will fail, with a capital fucking F.[/QUOTE]
And? Failure is a part of success, this is a concept that's taught in grade school: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again" William Edward Hickson
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883559]Yeah, I'm Satan.
And even if so, it's not like any of the things you listed are even remotely difficult to self teach with the proper drive.[/QUOTE]
Actually, depending on your level of education throughout your whole life, yes, they can actually be difficult to self teach yourself anything - let alone being a server admin. It also takes a bit of luck along with business skills and various other things to become a top server in any game - especially GMod, which I assume would be an especially competitive game.
Not just anyone can do it.
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[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883566]And? Failure is a part of success, this is a concept that's taught in grade school: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again" William Edward Hickson[/QUOTE]
I'm curious, did you go to private education or public?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883447]Anyone with a decent job would know that a million USD is not a hell of a lot in the grand scheme of things.
And no, earning billions of dollars gives you some merit, though.[/QUOTE]
I've explained this in detail before.
A man being given a small fortune and ALL the legal, financial, real estate expertise that a person could dream of is a near impossible thing to fail and the fact people like you rewrite reality to suit this cozy notion he's a hero of regular people are perverting reality to spread what is essentially propaganda at this point.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51883572]
I'm curious, did you go to private education or public?[/QUOTE]
Public
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51883581]I've exaimed this in detail before.
A man being given a small fortune and ALL the legal, financial, real estate expertise that a person could dream of is a near impossible thing to fail and the fact people like you rewrite reality to suit this cozy notion he's a hero of regular people are perverting reality to spread what is essentially propaganda at this point.[/QUOTE]
I never called him a hero, I called him smart.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883585]Public
I never called him a hero, I called him smart.[/QUOTE]
What was the average grade in that school?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883566]And? Failure is a part of success, this is a concept that's taught in grade school: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again" William Edward Hickson[/QUOTE]
So disregarding the advice of top level advisors for around 300 failed businesses (IIRC) is a key to learning?
Dear god how much do you idolize REAL success stories like Soros?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51883591]So disregarding the advice of top level advisors for around 300 failed businesses (IIRC) is a key to learning?
Dear god how much do you idolize REAL success stories like Soros?[/QUOTE]
Or perhaps someone like Bill Gates.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883585]Public
I never called him a hero, I called him smart.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough but I'd say even that's going too far because you're ignoring how he would be making decisions at that time with advisors.
I think you know nothing about the man but you feel like an expert. Dunning Kruger effect in action
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883537]You're all acting like 6 digits is something that's difficult to accomplish, meanwhile I just mentioned running GMod servers, one of the simplest things to do fundamentally, where the top servers are all making [I]at least[/I] $10k a month. [I]Young[/I] people, [I]dropouts[/I], spending a few hours a day if even that coding some shit and cashing out 24 hours a day.
By no means am I a master of economics, but to imply it's hard to make money is a bit.. lazy, and if that makes me a "republicunt" then so be it, but at least I'm not forcing myself to work "two minimum wage jobs" because everything else is just [I]too hard[/I].[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't really call running servers a long lasting profession tbh. A lot of the GMod server hosts I've seen in my years of playing have either folded due to mismanagement/ being literal pedos. Failed due to potentially fraudulent reasons. Or just lived so long that they expanded into general server hosting.
It's a very, very busy market where almost anyone can get in with zero effort thanks to reselling.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51883590]What was the average grade in that school?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.greatschools.org/arkansas/dardanelle/[/url]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51883591]So disregarding the advice of top level advisors for around 300 failed businesses (IIRC) is a key to learning?
Dear god how much do you idolize REAL success stories like Soros?[/QUOTE]
Easy there, remember we're talking about "$5 servers".
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883566]And? Failure is a part of success, this is a concept that's taught in grade school: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again" William Edward Hickson[/QUOTE]
What you don't seem to get is that you can wear yourself out trying, and you still might not get that 6 figure sum a year. I'm perfectly aware that you have no choice but to try, but getting something for it? that's not in the hands of the guy running a server or a business. You need pluck, you need luck, and a number of other factors to pan out for this happening.
And before you say anything more, I know myself what it takes to become successful. I overcame depression and poor health to get into med school, worked twice as hard just to get noticed, to the point where no job was too hard or too demanding. I worked until I fell sick during my internship, and came back and worked hard again. Thanks to this, several of my professors told me I never even needed to work on the missed days. When others ditched me to head to see the movies, I took over their jobs and treated the patients they callously left behind. Sure, it pissed me off too now and again, but I gained a lot of valuable experience and opportunities doing so. I then worked three demanding years in a cancer hospital, and came out of it with glowing recommendations from my boss, one of the foremost specialists in oncology in the state, and his subordinates. All because I was willing and able to work hard when others couldn't pick up the slack.
I'm not saying that hard work doesn't always work out, but sometimes life just happens to go 'lol no' and you won't get anything for your pains. Trust me, I was there.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883604][url]http://www.greatschools.org/arkansas/dardanelle/[/url]
Easy there, remember we're talking about "$5 servers".[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what this means.
Good job ignoring the actual points.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883447]Anyone with a decent job would know that a million USD is not a hell of a lot in the grand scheme of things.
And no, earning billions of dollars gives you some merit, though.[/QUOTE]
*inheriting money along with the people and infrastructure that keep it going
As far as a million USD not being "a hell of a lot", it sure as hell was back in the 70's.
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