• CPAC: Conservatives fear generational shift to the left, call Millennials "spoiled"
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[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883604][url]http://www.greatschools.org/arkansas/dardanelle/[/url][/QUOTE] 'bout average I assume?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51883613]I have no idea what this means. Good job ignoring the actual points.[/QUOTE] What, that for some reason you should give up trying to succeed? [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51883616]'bout average I assume?[/QUOTE] I suppose.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883617]What, that for some reason you should give up trying to succeed? I suppose.[/QUOTE] Okay at this point I'm genuinely questioning your level of reading comprehension as I didn't say that or anything resembling that.
I just can't wrap my head around the statement "$1,000,000 isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things" when that is more money than the overwhelming majority of Americans will ever have at one time throughout their [B]entire lives.[/B] What level of disconnected from reality is this?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883559]Yeah, I'm Satan. And even if so, it's not like any of the things you listed are even remotely difficult to self teach with the proper drive.[/QUOTE] So assume that now, more people have GMod servers (or Minecraft, or Rust, or what the fuck ever), which means an over-saturation of servers, which means less customers to go around unless various servers start falling apart for some reason or another. This gold-rush mentality of success if bull-honky and you know it.
Honestly KingofBeast is right. While I won't go ahead and say that all of you haven't tried enough, plenty of you are just sitting around complaining on a forum with people that think like you and COMPLAINING how the world isn't fair and the jobs don't come to you. It's not really all that hard. I did below average in my school yet I'm set up to earn myself 6 figures a year in 6 years. And besides that, I've ran a gmod community in the past. When I was [b]12[/b] I was racking in $200/month for doing jackshit.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51883641]Honestly KingofBeast is right. While I won't go ahead and say that all of you haven't tried enough, plenty of you are just sitting around complaining on a forum with people that think like you and COMPLAINING how the world isn't fair and the jobs don't come to you. It's not really all that hard. I did below average in my school yet I'm set up to earn myself 6 figures a year in 6 years.[/QUOTE] Good for you, anecdotes are fun. The evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary. Sorry man, facts are stubborn things.
It's also neglecting the $200m he inherited from daddy when he died [QUOTE=HappyCompy;51883646]Good for you, anecdotes are fun. The evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary. Sorry man, facts are stubborn things.[/QUOTE] lol you shut up my anecdote > economics
Wasn't the baby boomer generation the most spoiled of them all? that isn't to say that I'm not spoiled, but they could literally walk into a shop and say "I want a job" and get it according to many of them. Now they're acting like time's haven't changed.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51883641]Honestly KingofBeast is right. While I won't go ahead and say that all of you haven't tried enough, plenty of you are just sitting around complaining on a forum with people that think like you and COMPLAINING how the world isn't fair and the jobs don't come to you. It's not really all that hard. I did below average in my school yet I'm set up to earn myself 6 figures a year in 6 years.[/QUOTE] I've been employed for 6 years. Please drop your stupid assumptions and actually engage with people to learn about them rather than thinking you're an expert on their lives
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51883641]Honestly KingofBeast is right. While I won't go ahead and say that all of you haven't tried enough, plenty of you are just sitting around complaining on a forum with people that think like you and COMPLAINING how the world isn't fair and the jobs don't come to you.[/QUOTE] Point me at specific posts where people have done this. No generalizing. Specifics. Point them out. [QUOTE]It's not really all that hard. I did below average in my school yet I'm set up to earn myself 6 figures a year in 6 years.[/QUOTE] Why does this sound like an asspull?
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51883641]Honestly KingofBeast is right. While I won't go ahead and say that all of you haven't tried enough, plenty of you are just sitting around complaining on a forum with people that think like you and COMPLAINING how the world isn't fair and the jobs don't come to you. It's not really all that hard. I did below average in my school yet I'm set up to earn myself 6 figures a year in 6 years.[/QUOTE] None of us have been complaining about the world being too difficult for us. Especially not I - I already acknowledge I spend way too much time here as it is. But depending on your circumstances it is very difficult to end up earning six figures. There can be quite a lot of factors outside your control that prevent this. Saying that "it's just hard work" doesn't acknowledge a lot of various, complicated things. I learned this myself after a few years.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51883625]Okay at this point I'm genuinely questioning your level of reading comprehension as I didn't say that or anything resembling that.[/QUOTE] To be completely honest your investment in analyzing me as a person because I called Trump smart with money is really off-putting, so I have stopped reading into what you've said. At this point I'm more interested in what BlackMageMari has to say. I do find it amusing how eager people are to jump at me because I said one word about him, and not even that I look up to him or agree with any of his viewpoints. It sure seems emotionally charged. And yes, I admire Bill Gates and other pioneers like him, to clear that up.
It's kind of funny how the only two people in this thread defending Trump actually lack the basic reading comprehension to follow the arguments in the thread and are just creating straw men to argue against
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51883647]It's also neglecting the $200m he inherited from daddy when he died lol you shut up my anecdote > economics[/QUOTE] Fred Trump died in 1999. Forbes estimated Donald Trump's worth at around $1.5 [b]billion[/b] in 1989. Also I edited my post guys: [QUOTE]And besides that, I've ran a gmod community in the past. When I was 12 I was racking in $200/month for doing jackshit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=J!NX;51883648][B]Wasn't the baby boomer generation the most spoiled of them all?[/B] that isn't to say that I'm not spoiled, but they could literally walk into a shop and say "I want a job" according to many of them. Now they're acting like time's haven't changed.[/QUOTE] If you count riding the coattails of the immense success the U.S. had due to it being one of the few countries to not get absolutely fucking destroyed during WWII, whilst simultaneously benefiting from the redistributive policies of the New Deal, and and then repeatedly voting for right wingers who proceeded to destroy social and economic mobility for the middle class with their worship of the failed theory of 'trickle down economics,' 'spoiled,' then yes, absolutely.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51883673]It's kind of funny how the only two people in this thread defending Trump actually lack the basic reading comprehension to follow the arguments in the thread and are just creating straw men to argue against[/QUOTE] Isn't that how these usually go?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883669]To be completely honest your investment in analyzing me as a person because I called Trump smart with money is really off-putting, so I have stopped reading into what you've said. At this point I'm more interested in what BlackMageMari has to say. I do find it amusing how eager people are to jump at me because I said one word about him, and not even that I look up to him or agree with any of his viewpoints. It sure seems emotionally charged. And yes, I admire Bill Gates and other pioneers like him, to clear that up.[/QUOTE] It's not one in you, it's one in people who are talking about something they don't know anything about. You don't seem to actually know anything about Trump, so I tried to inform you. You rejected that info and insisted your gut feeling is correct.
"Start a gmod server, watch the money roll in!" is a really weird position to take.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51883676]Fred Trump died in 1999. Forbes estimated Donald Trump's worth at around $1.5 [b]billion[/b] in 1989. Also I edited my post guys:[/QUOTE] Oh okay, good for you? I guess we're all idiots who don't know how to make money or what other implication are you trying to make unasked for? No one mentioned life being too hard until you did because you thought it was prudent I'm guessing. It wasn't. I'm not worried about money on a huge level either, so are you really sure you want to act like that's a linch pin in your argument about respect for the man?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883669]To be completely honest your investment in analyzing me as a person because I called Trump smart with money is really off-putting, so I have stopped reading into what you've said. At this point I'm more interested in what BlackMageMari has to say.[/QUOTE] I don't really have much more to say other than I think you're making a very complicated process way way too simple and avoiding the fact that there are factors in people's lives that mean they might not be successful despite working hard. Not everyone succeeds even when they work hard. I'd wager indeed very few people are lazy and due to circumstances they can't control they can't better themselves. I think you might be a little blind to some opportunities you have in life that might have given you an advantage. That's not necessarily a major fault - I was blind to do them for a very long time. But I've known a great many people who have worked hard and are very intelligent and yet they've suffered and haven't been very successful due to factors they couldn't control, due to people they had met, etc. Life and work is much harder than you think it is, in my opinion. And I think you've gotten a bit lucky to get where you are - though I think you've also more than likely worked hard to get there, too. Though I do acknowledge that I, in my own personal life, probably do need to work harder... but I'm also my harshest critic. So take what I say about myself with a pince of salt.
For every Bill Gates, Elon Musk, or Steve Jobs success story, how many unsuccessful stories from other people are there in between?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883669]To be completely honest your investment in analyzing me as a person because I called Trump smart with money is really off-putting, so I have stopped reading into what you've said. At this point I'm more interested in what BlackMageMari has to say. I do find it amusing how eager people are to jump at me because I said one word about him, and not even that I look up to him or agree with any of his viewpoints. It sure seems emotionally charged. And yes, I admire Bill Gates and other pioneers like him, to clear that up.[/QUOTE] If wishes were fishes the fishermen would live like kings. As many posters have said before, and as I reiterate, sometimes peoples' lives simply don't pan out the way they expect, ditto for finding opportunities. People who're already depressed and unhappy can sometimes fail to see an opportunity in front of them, can we blame them for this? I agree that people should keep fighting no matter what but you fail to understand that everybody has a hard limit on how much bullshit they can deal with in their lives. It's a question of being willing to walk in the other guy's shoes to understand their problems and fundamentally how difficult it can be to fight through those problems. For every success there will be dozens of failures who never even get off the ground. People like to focus on success because success is glamorous. Success itself can be just as ephemeral. You can lose your money or your house any time. You could have a company going under thanks to a market crash. Your problem is you aren't accounting for how badly entropy can damage somebody's chances before they even begin.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51883689]It's not one in you, it's one in people who are talking about something they don't know anything about. You don't seem to actually know anything about Trump, so I tried to inform you. You rejected that info and insisted your gut feeling is correct.[/QUOTE] What did you try to inform me about him? That somehow he's not smart because he ignored advice from previous owners of failed companies? That he was given a million (or few) dollars to start off? It still doesn't detract from the fact that he was competent enough to build the empire he has today that completely dwarfs the loan he received. Apart from this, seriously man, I just called the guy smart. Doing a character analysis on me is a little overboard.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883669]Trump smart with money[/QUOTE] Woah now. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. The dude repeatedly invests in clear dead ends. Bankrupts businesses that are basically assured to never fail because everything is stacked in their favour, fucking over god knows how many employees just so he can cut and run with money he probably shouldn't have had at that time. He for some unknowable reason thought "yeah getting in on that subprime mortgage game sounds like a good idea", right on the brink of the housing collapse, which anybody paying attention could see coming from a mile away. He has made a majority of his cash from real estate, something you'd have to be actually lobotomised to fail at. And by perpetuating the image that he is rich (and taking shots at that image really hurts his feelings, not something a genuinely rich dude would be feeling I expect). He's not so much "smart" with his money as he is incredibly lucky he had the monstrous head start in life he did and all of his fathers advisers to stop him fucking up early on. After all, once you've gained reasonable capital it tends to look after itself. Trump is not a particularly smart man. He is a lucky one who has the charisma when needed to perpetuate a cult of personality amongst the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" (fucking love that phrase) that make up the lower economic classes of the USA.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51883694]"Start a gmod server, watch the money roll in!" is a really weird position to take.[/QUOTE] He's not.. fully off? But applying it to other people is where the problem is. It quite literally is true of capitalism, that anybody with ingenuity, drive, and importantly, a lot of luck can dig themselves something really good. But you CAN'T apply this to the economy as a whole, because there's just not enough room for everybody, or even most people, to make it like that.
Okay, example time. My dad was a wonderful lawyer. He had a storied and very interesting and relatively groundbreaking past with his career. He also raised a kid from the time he was 18, in the 1960's, went to school, had more kids, and then moved to a different province to start a career. So he had a storied past and a lot of respect. For the last 20 odd years he ran a private law firm, that was quite successful. He was a wildly generous person and treated many people with respect and did somethings for free when he really didn't have to. This law firm was doing quite well and was poised to last for a good while even without my father. He died. The firm fell apart. Things do not always go to plan and acting like there's a magic bullet to lifes problems is ignorant. Some people fall through the cracks and shit falls apart for them.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883716]What did you try to inform me about him? That somehow he's not smart because he ignored advice from previous owners of failed companies? That he was given a million (or few) dollars to start off? It still doesn't detract from the fact that he was competent enough to build the empire he has today that completely dwarfs the loan he received. Apart from this, seriously man, I just called the guy smart. Doing a character analysis on me is a little overboard.[/QUOTE] Trump isnt smart with money god damn, his financial advisers have so far prevented him from going stony fucking broke, despite the fact he bankrupted so many business ventures. He is a lucky man who was born into privilege of the sort most Americans can only dream of. All he has going for him is a dubious charisma and nothing more.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51883716]What did you try to inform me about him? That somehow he's not smart because he ignored advice from previous owners of failed companies? That he was given a million (or few) dollars to start off? It still doesn't detract from the fact that he was competent enough to build the empire he has today that completely dwarfs the loan he received. Apart from this, seriously man, I just called the guy smart. Doing a character analysis on me is a little overboard.[/QUOTE] Actually, this is my point. You're wildly ignorant. Trump did not [B]just get money.[/B] Trump got advice, and expertise that it takes a life time to accrue. Trump got his fathers empire to assist him in building the family name up further. You're ignoring that to say he [B]JUST[/B] got money. That is not fucking true. So yes, I did seek to inform you of something you have entirely fucking rejected because it doesn't work with your world view as it is and you refuse to change it. [editline]27th February 2017[/editline] Trumps own Tax Attorney, and Account have admitted this in interviews. "Trump is the least interested person in financial tax law I have ever met" Do you really think that guy is the guy that is super fucking knowledgeable about how his empire is actually run or doesn't that sound like a guy who just delegates all the actual work to smart people? Therefore, your claim that he is smart is wrong.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51883701]I don't really have much more to say other than I think you're making a very complicated process way way too simple and avoiding the fact that there are factors in people's lives that mean they might not be successful despite working hard. Not everyone succeeds even when they work hard. I'd wager indeed very few people are lazy and due to circumstances they can't control they can't better themselves. I think you might be a little blind to some opportunities you have in life that might have given you an advantage. That's not necessarily a major fault - I was blind to do them for a very long time. But I've known a great many people who have worked hard and are very intelligent and yet they've suffered and haven't been very successful due to factors they couldn't control, due to people they had met, etc. Life and work is much harder than you think it is, in my opinion. And I think you've gotten a bit lucky to get where you are - though I think you've also more than likely worked hard to get there, too. Though I do acknowledge that I, in my own personal life, probably do need to work harder... but I'm also my harshest critic. So take what I say about myself with a pince of salt.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51883704]If wishes were fishes the fishermen would live like kings. As many posters have said before, and as I reiterate, sometimes peoples' lives simply don't pan out the way they expect, ditto for finding opportunities. People who're already depressed and unhappy can sometimes fail to see an opportunity in front of them, can we blame them for this? I agree that people should keep fighting no matter what but you fail to understand that everybody has a hard limit on how much bullshit they can deal with in their lives. It's a question of being willing to walk in the other guy's shoes to understand their problems and fundamentally how difficult it can be to fight through those problems. For every success there will be dozens of failures who never even get off the ground. People like to focus on success because success is glamorous. Success itself can be just as ephemeral. You can lose your money or your house any time. You could have a company going under thanks to a market crash. Your problem is you aren't accounting for how badly entropy can damage somebody's chances before they even begin.[/QUOTE] I understand it can be hard for certain people due to factors outside of their control, but it's still doable. Really all I have to say is a saying everyone should learn: [b]Have your money make you money[/b] Working nonstop to live a mediocre life is a dumb way to live - I'm sorry but that's the truth. Invest. Whether that's in housing, stocks, or whatever else, just do it. You can work too to supplement that income.
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